"The Great Gatsby" & others removed from Alaska school curriculum as "controversial"

[GreenJesus]

Addendum;



Name one goddamned corporate office with a policy against reading classics of literature while on your lunch break (since if you're reading when you're supposed to be working, yeah, that'll get you a chat with HR, but that's true no matter what the subject matter was).



No, that's literally their fucking jobs, you dipshit. Any teacher who can't achieve this is a bad teacher.

Why is a classroom compared to a corporate office environment anyway? Talking about religion is also "bad" in a corporate office environment so I guess we can't teach that anymore. If the factor to determine whether something is worth teaching is whether it's watered down enough to be in a corporate environment, then we might as well just close up shop and give up on art or philosophy as well.

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

Right so when I say optimism what I mean is the notion that people have the ability to overcome challenges in the end. Of course there are some books and movies where the protagonists never prevail and everybody dies at the very end. Most books and movies aren't like that though because people don't find it very interesting.

Similarly, it's also true that books and movies should not be very "bright and glowy" and a good example of that is Christian art where there's rarely ever real world content. People like watching real conflict, violence, nudity, sex, and all forms of vice. Christian art can never be successful because it usually is bright and glowy and fluffy. Which that also isn't interesting at all.

Christian art is usually bright and glowy and fluffy?

On what planet? Given that the likes of "The Passion" movie is a continuation of 2 millenia of artistic tradition depicting sometimes in eerily acurately fashion the Christ and Martyrs, being crucified, flogged, pierced by arrows, hanged, burned on the pyre, eaten alive, decapitated or flayed alive to name a few variations.

Not to mention the revered display of their actual body parts in ornate fashion.

All of these prominently and abundently displayed as the Pauper's Bible, or even carried by people around their neck, with the everpresent crucifix, up to the point of many third party observers leaving many ghastly accounts, with rumors of cannibalism and the like.

[Felya]

Christian art can never be successful because it usually is bright and glowy and fluffy. Which that also isn't interesting at all.

I can objectively counter this with 4 letters:

Hell

[Themius]

I'm surprised Adventures of Huckleberry Finn or To Kill a Mockingbird isn't banned for once.

The person who said they'd be brought to HR or whatever clearly works for someone ignorant or uneducated.

Huckleberry Finn is an interesting one... had debates on its subject matter for my class. American lovely children's story it is not... I mean Disney shows it that way while skipping over the bit about the slave being literally tortured by two children, after he has been captured and facing death. And some critical critiques point out this issue and some say it doesn't matter because... "reasons" once it gained "American classic" status daring to critique the book was somehow sacrilegious.

[PC2]

Christian art is usually bright and glowy and fluffy?

On what planet? Given that the likes of "The Passion" movie is a continuation of 2 millenia of artistic tradition depicting sometimes in eerily acurately fashion the Christ and Martyrs, being crucified, flogged, pierced by arrows, hanged, burned on the pyre, eaten alive, decapitated or flayed alive to name a few variations.

Not to mention the revered display of their actual body parts in ornate fashion.

All of these prominently and abundently displayed as the Pauper's Bible, or even carried by people around their neck, with the everpresent crucifix, up to the point of many third party observers leaving many ghastly accounts, with rumors of cannibalism and the like.

Yeah well I never saw the The Passion Of the Christ because in my area of California the "Baptists" said it was forbidden because it was too violent... It has nothing to do with Christianity though, I think all religions are basically just about banning things and telling other people what they can't do.

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[Adam Jensen]

Huckleberry Finn is an interesting one... had debates on its subject matter for my class. American lovely children's story it is not... I mean Disney shows it that way while skipping over the bit about the slave being literally tortured by two children, after he has been captured and facing death. And some critical critiques point out this issue and some say it doesn't matter because... "reasons" once it gained "American classic" status daring to critique the book was somehow sacrilegious.

Huck and Tom Sawyer have been banned for the user of the word "Ni**er" because I guess we're supposed to expect an 19th century writer to conform to 21st century standards.

[Zan15]

reminds me of flowers in the attic they had to ban that book because girls were getting turned on by the incest scene...

it was some strange phenomena at the time since its normally boys running around with the uncontrol able boners....

[Themius]

Huck and Tom Sawyer have been banned for the user of the word "Ni**er" because I guess we're supposed to expect an 19th century writer to conform to 21st century standards.

I mean you may think that and choose to ignore everything else but that’s a you problem.

[Zan15]

Maybe they should ban the Bible too. Jesus was a huge advocate for Socialism.

You don't like stories of a wonderful father who went into a cave with his two underaged daughters and got both of them pregnant?? oh sorry they got him drunk and took advantage of him..wink wink...

Or all the prostitution, the multiple wives, the way they state that it was ok to rape and murder villiages you defeated in the name of god?

but Socialism come on bro, we all have limits..burn those books! /s

[Dsonsion]

Cool. IIRC The Great Gatsby was a really depressing book that inspires pessimism instead of optimism. Instead they should assign books that motivate people in a positive way.

What reason should people have to feel pessimistic? There's only good things happening! Now take your Soma, citizen.

[Mihalik]

I mean... A Christmas Carol?

Really... A Christmas Carol?

Like... Even assuming you are deeply religious and all...it's pretty Christian book. Like what the fuck?

[Muzjhath]

I mean... A Christmas Carol?

Really... A Christmas Carol?

Like... Even assuming you are deeply religious and all...it's pretty Christian book. Like what the fuck?

But... the CAPITALIST! is the enemy! We clearly can't have that!

[Mihalik]

But... the CAPITALIST! is the enemy! We clearly can't have that!

Well, I guess then it's time to either ban or rewrite The New Testament too, after all that Jesus dude keeps going on and on and on about giving up your worldly possessions and actively assaults people working in the financial industry.

It's the only time in the whole book where the super pacifist dude has a total meltdown and goes on a rampage. It clearly advocates for violence against capitalists.

[Muzjhath]

Well, I guess then it's time to either ban or rewrite The New Testament too, after all that Jesus dude keeps going on and on and on about giving up your worldly possessions and actively assaults people working in the financial industry.

It's the only time in the whole book where the super pacifist dude has a total meltdown and goes on a rampage. It clearly advocates for violence against capitalists.

Clearly you're missreading that segment of the holy book! Jesus wasn't angry at the capitalists, only that they set up in the tempel to trick the poor people out of their hardwon money!
Jesus wants regulated capitalism!

[Felya]

Clearly you're missreading that segment of the holy book! Jesus wasn't angry at the capitalists, only that they set up in the tempel to trick the poor people out of their hardwon money!
Jesus wants regulated capitalism!

He turned water into wine, without any compensation for the local winery. Imagine being a cake maker, when a guy appears that just turns crap into cakes. You no longer have a business because, why would anyone buy your expensive cake, when this dude is making them for near nothing, then giving them out for free?

Not only that, by having the poor and the meek walk around with cakes, it made cakes less valuable for the rich who enjoyed them before. While when he switched wine barrels during a fiesta for inferior quality, no one noticed, because the meek didn’t even have a pallet for good wine.

There was no bail out for the winery, no 0% loans... mom and pop were going out of business, as religious advances simply outpaced their technology.

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

Well, I guess then it's time to either ban or rewrite The New Testament too, after all that Jesus dude keeps going on and on and on about giving up your worldly possessions and actively assaults people working in the financial industry.

It's the only time in the whole book where the super pacifist dude has a total meltdown and goes on a rampage. It clearly advocates for violence against capitalists.

He stressed out that all of that was bound to one's free will, and not it being enforced by the state, on top of stating the importance of civil obedience.

[Sunseeker]

Well, I guess then it's time to either ban or rewrite The New Testament too, after all that Jesus dude keeps going on and on and on about giving up your worldly possessions and actively assaults people working in the financial industry.

It's the only time in the whole book where the super pacifist dude has a total meltdown and goes on a rampage. It clearly advocates for violence against capitalists.

I'm fairly sure the NEW New Testament will be a coloring book with two pages, one that says "US" and "THEM" and you have to color the "US" page red and the "THEM" page blue.

Because Conservatives sure as hell don't read any of the books they uphold as examples of their ideology. Even Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead are questionable in that context. Short of new-age fiction written by conservatives, for conservatives, typically about murdering liberals and government officials, there probably is very little in writing that supports Conservative ideology. And even in these books, they're not about great successes of Conservative ideology, they're usually about the collapse of the country and death.

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Christian art can never be successful because it usually is bright and glowy and fluffy. Which that also isn't interesting at all.

They literally worship a naked dead dude nailed to a giant cross.

Further, there is an ABUNDANCE of "bright, glowy and fluffy" art and media. It's mostly directed at children. It typically focuses on the value of friendship, overcoming adversity, accepting diversity(physical, ideological, etc..), teamwork, good decision-making/good leadership, and often includes some element about how "the system has failed". And this isn't new modern-agey cartoon shit limited to Steven Universe, MLP:FiM or She-Ra. This is old cartoon shit going back decades. From peaceful brightly-colored robots fighting war-mongering less-brightly-colored-robots to spandex-clad ubermenches fighting horrors from beyond and also injustice.

[Felya]

Yeah well I never saw the The Passion Of the Christ because in my area of California the "Baptists" said it was forbidden because it was too violent... It has nothing to do with Christianity though, I think all religions are basically just about banning things and telling other people what they can't do.

Sorry to disagree again, but “all” should be replaced with organized. Religion is a very broad spectrum and in a lot of aspects, I can argue that even Christianity, really has 1 rule to follow. Until religion is organized to be codified, it’s not inherently telling you what to and not to do.

[The Butt Witch]

"I pledge allegiance to the fascist United States universities, to hear all the buzzwords that make me sad. One day we will get rid of them all, and liberty will be flushed down the toilet" - Rucka Rucka Ali

[Felya]

"I pledge allegiance to the fascist United States universities, to hear all the buzzwords that make me sad. One day we will get rid of them all, and liberty will be flushed down the toilet" - Rucka Rucka Ali

Would that mean liberty goes right in US, but left in Australia?