I love how every tank has been said "is the best"
I love how every tank has been said "is the best"
We're all newbs, some are just more newbier than others.
Just a burned out hardcore raider turned casual.
I'm tired. So very tired. Can I just lay my head on your lap and fall asleep?
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I've played them all. They are all easy. You can sum Any tank to "press this and hold aggro". In a 5 man, sure, thats true. In anything else? Gonna have to do more then watch youtube. Otherwise, you can cause a wipe. Like, move the boss or taunt swap. Easy mechanics to be sure, but not so boring.
And just spamming mitigation wont due either. Gotta time it out or risk getting wrecked in harder content.
Is it really though? It isn't exactly rocket science to press death strike when your hp goes down or to keep runic power reserve for the incoming spike dmg. People somehow think that playing dk is super hard, while it really revolves around having proper ui and knowledge of the pulls, just like any other tank these days.
I find my blood dk very easy, But that's probably since i have very high gear and the highest i've tanked is a +6.
If soloing is important to you, I found that my Brewmaster Monk is really dependent on having a healer around. This is opposed to my Blood DK, who feels nigh invulnerable (and to a lesser extent Druid).
Dunno why you'd mention druid and not mention dh unless you didn't play it. Vengeance DH can get crazy self healing at the expense of damage, if you don't spec into fracture and just spam shear and consume the soul fragments you can survive a lot (proven by a log of dh solo tanking mythic shadhar).
seems that everyone has a different opinion....i like warrior
No, not really. Tanking is easy once you know how to. Boringly so. Problem comes in when you 1) dont spam at the right time and 2) the healers are just as clueless or more so than a new tank. Biggest difference being that if the tank drops first, or multiple times, Their the ones getting yelled at and kicked.
Heck. I even solo tanked Durumu in LFR when it was current because the other tank essentially did just that. Failed to counter mechanics when they were supposed to and dropped. But, since they just saw Tank, they kicked me as well since in their minds, the tanks are the main cause of a wipe if they die first.
A geared tank can "generally" survive ignoring some mechanics. Not all, but some, in LFR. But a tank who wants to just go "lawl /afk while I hold aggro" wont cut it. LFR can be forgiving, but not so much so that you can neglect your major mitigation abilities all of the time.
Its just not a role that supports what the OP wants.
I don't understand why everyone thinks BrM is the easiest tank. May be in irrelevant content compared to your ilvl, but in those basically every tank is easy and in this context even ISB is not necessary. In high M+ or Mythic Raids it is a bit more than keeping ISB up. Compared to other tanks you lack the many cds and especially magic damage really hurts. But in most cases BrM are less spiky and therefore easier to heal in a raid setting.
In my experience a warrior or a Bear can facetank much more before getting in trouble compared to a BrM, if they are the same ilvl.
I know it is not thaaaat easy, since I mained a BrM for several raids, but come on, in the surviving Physical Damage departmenmt, which is what 70% of the Tanks job is, there is no class that can do that as easy as Brews. There is a reason why the WF Raiders like Sco use a Monk for most of this and last expansion now, only swapping for specific bosses.
My favourite example is that Jellyfish in Eternal Palace. He hits incredibly hard when you start tanking him (his mechanic dulls the damage over time, but the first hit is brutal). Most Tanks needed to use a major CD to survive that period or get one-shotted. On my Monk I drank ISB and proceeded to laugh as he kept hitting me with my health bar barely moving.
Imagine that scene from Matrix 2 where Neo is fighting two Agents with one hand and you know how that feels. Then imagine being the Morpheus, that gets beaten to a bloody pulp by one Agent, watching that and you know how other tanks felt
Stagger is just that good. Not to mention that ISB and PB are not bound to any resource you need to gather or only work when you are in range of the boss.
On my DK, I can do almost nothing if I am not glued to the boss or have anything else to hit close. Can't refresh Boneshield, can't use Death Strike. Very fun when you have to move a certain Pillar boss somewhere. Still hoping against hope that the Death Coil we get will work like Death Strike at range.
I'm really wondering what keystone level people are playing at that say Blood is one of the easiest to play. At high keys rune/runic power management becomes a job in itself. Expect having to push ~150k-200k+ hps just to stay alive on some pulls. 1 poorly timed deathstrike is guaranteed death unless you have a god tier healer. Did not pool properly or running low on runic power? Better kite or its game over.
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Sure it is true that BrM is often used for progress, but in the current tier BloodDK and VDH were almost as present.
And with regard to physical damage, compared to EP, Nya is much more magic damage heavy and dots. Both are the weaknesses of Stagger, coincidence? Ra-Den and Vexiona say hi
You are aware of the Stagger nerf after EP? It took all tier to get to a comparable strength that it had at the end of EP. This was the second nerf to Stagger this expansion btw. And with the Jellyfish, it depends which difficulty we are talking, normal / HC sure, but on Mythic BrM couldn't just facetank the first hits.
You need to use kegsmash and tiger palm to lower the recharge of your brews, otherwise the recharge is longer then the duration of your 4 brews. And the point is Stagger and ISB only delay the damage, it is not acutally mitigated, so unless you purify you will eventually take the damage and it needs to be healed through. Ans sure it is less spiky so it is easier to heal than most tanks. And as stated above in irrelevant content BrM is strong and easy but DK is op in those situations, imho.
And the dominance of BrM is exagareted in my opinion, especially in Nya, but people still think it is op as it was at the end of Legion and a good part of BfA.
i will keep this very simple - I main a Prot Warrior, have a Pally, Monk, DK & DH tank and even tho i like the mobility of the DH and the "tankiness" of the DK, i still prefer the overall mobility/toolkit/awesomeness that is Prot Warr
Decided to give tanking on my Druid a try again after not having done it for a long time ... fell asleep doing it. So I'd go with Druid. Plus if you level a Druid, you get a ton of other options too, so there's that too I guess?
I know, that is why people said that Blood and Vengeance would be top tanks this tier. But the truth of the matter is that despite this Monk was and is still regarded as the best Tank.
Sure, but that Nerf was needed, since Monks were dominating the Tank role for the entire expansion and most of Legion, and it is still a far cry from the Nerf that DKs received during Uldir or the nerf Warriors received in the BFA pre-patch. Both became nearly unplayable while Monks are still fine and dandy just a little more spiky then before.
I know how it works, but you can very easily kite an Awakened boss with your 4 Brew charges (not to mention the endless mobility) without running out. DKs can't do anything at range, except Blooddrinker. And yes, in the self-healing deaprtment BrM is weak, but since they don't die from a spike healers have all the time in the world to deal with the staggered damage.
DKs can be OP in the right situation, mainly at a point where they can generate enough RP and are hit just hard enough to gain massive heals without being one shot. And yes they deal better with Magic damage (because we have no more armor then a DPS it just doesn't matter what damage hits us, we are equally suceptible to it and then heal it) but I mainly switched to DK because of the style.
Monks were always a bit too... panda-esque for my taste, throwing kegs and burping fire into peoples faces... the DK is more serious and has a cool backstory. And while playing I actually started to enjoy the thrill of taking high damage without dying. You need a lot of practice to walk that narrow line between using Death Strike too early and too late and I find that quite wonderful.
Don't get me wrong, I think BrM is strong and very well suited for raiding. However I think the difference between the different tank-classes is smaller than people think and often it is the grass is greener on the other side effect. People tend to focus on the strength of other classes but tend to forget the weaknesses.
And regarding world first progress, Limit used a BloodDK in all their firstkills.
And for easiest tank I would not recommend either BDK nor BrM but Druid. Big healthpool, strong mitigation and few buttons to push.