There's no room for PoE-like games

[Lazuli]

At first. Maybe a decent chunk of first year sales at best. Butthurt D2 players reviewbimbed D3 to hell and back and were, and still to this day, persistent in trashing D3. If anything the D2 effects was initial and had zero relevance to the 20+ millions sales that came after the first year.

Lol let's see D3 in 20 years , people still streaming/youtubing and speedclearing with tons of views & large community. Oh wait, that will NEVER happen. Its a garbage game compared to D2.. thats fact. It definitely rode on the success of D2, there is absolutely no denying that unless you are delusional. D3 got review bombed for good reason. I doubt D4 will even last long at all, Blizz doesn't know what fun is anymore. I doubt they ever did anyway, it was Blizz north not Blizzard themselves that developed Diablo.

[Protean]

Lol let's see D3 in 20 years , people still streaming/youtubing and speedclearing with tons of views & large community. Oh wait, that will NEVER happen. Its a garbage game compared to D2.. thats fact. It definitely rode on the success of D2, there is absolutely no denying that unless you are delusional. D3 got review bombed for good reason. I doubt D4 will even last long at all, Blizz doesn't know what fun is anymore. I doubt they ever did anyway, it was Blizz north not Blizzard themselves that developed Diablo.

Oh wow a prophet. It's not like literally every single fucking game is streamed on youtube. Oh wait, that's exactly what is happening right now.

[Azerate]

I like D3 way more than any other loot driven arpg. Tried PoE but didn't really enjoy it. I hope Diablo 4 is fun. I'm a bit worried that Blizz will make it too different from D3 because of all the haters.

[Lazuli]

Oh wow a prophet. It's not like literally every single fucking game is streamed on youtube. Oh wait, that's exactly what is happening right now.

Have you logged into D3 lately? Its deader than D2... I don't even play diablo anymore so idgaf I stopped fanboying when I accepted the franchise is dead, Im just speaking facts.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Lol let's see D3 in 20 years , people still streaming/youtubing and speedclearing with tons of views & large community. Oh wait, that will NEVER happen. Its a garbage game compared to D2.. thats fact. It definitely rode on the success of D2, there is absolutely no denying that unless you are delusional. D3 got review bombed for good reason. I doubt D4 will even last long at all, Blizz doesn't know what fun is anymore. I doubt they ever did anyway, it was Blizz north not Blizzard themselves that developed Diablo.

"Garbage game compared to D2" Right another one of those. D3 was successful weather people like it or not, clearly there was something to it and yes numbers do support that. You may not of liked it @_@ but that doesn't mean its objectively bad.

Have you logged into D3 lately? Its deader than D2... I don't even play diablo anymore so idgaf I stopped fanboying when I accepted the franchise is dead, Im just speaking facts.

You apparently give a fuck to post here to shit on D3 apparently.

[Lazuli]

"Garbage game compared to D2" Right another one of those. D3 was successful weather people like it or not, clearly there was something to it and yes numbers do support that. You may not of liked it @_@ but that doesn't mean its objectively bad.





You apparently give a fuck to post here to shit on D3 apparently.

its on the recent posts at front page so don't get mad, its not like I EVER post here..

[SinR]

and yet, POE is going into another league of new content.

[Djuntas]

Diablo 3 is utterly dead now a days. Went back and played it again to gear up for the new hydra build and try archon again etc. Only people who bot / mindless farm paragon seems to be around. Atleast on non-season...I dont like the idea of ladder resets.

But it being dead also comes down no real updates, and horrendous end-game and balance issues.

[Clozer]

and yet, POE is going into another league of new content.

And without nonstop new content push, the game is dead in less than 2 months.

[SinR]

And without nonstop new content push, the game is dead in less than 2 months.

as opposed to Diablo 3 where a new season is just Power Creep with the same rehashed stuff over and over and over?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

as opposed to Diablo 3 where a new season is just Power Creep with the same rehashed stuff over and over and over?

Yeah cause their updates are less substantial then PoE's and well they seemed to have moved on from the game. I mean what else do people want(And be specific not just more anti D3 shit)

[Flame6]

How? Many have tried but failed.

Pretty sure Diablo 3 was a success. Sure the "gamers" didn't like but the the casuals did. The game sold more than 30 million copies, making it one of the top 10 games every sold (back in 2015). It sits at a 88 metacritic score. Unless you can define failure more specifically I'd say it did amazing.

[--Code--]

From a systems point of view, I think good ARPGs are one of the most difficult games to create. The amount of complexity involved in a game like PoE is astounding. I've played the game for years (it's my main game other than WoW - 2.5k hrs) and I'm still blown away at how they make it work with such a small company and even smaller development time frames. It's just layers on layers on layers of more depth and complexity. I definitely think there's room for more on the market, the only problem is it seems to be one of those genres (like MMOs) that are REALLY hard to make good ones. Also D4, Lost Ark, and PoE 2 will all be out eventually along with a few others (last epoch). The genre is only growing and it's proven to be extremely popular even outside of its traditionally niche audience. Also I think PoE having new leagues every 3 months is a huge contributing factor. They inject so much cool shit into the game on a regular basis it's insane. Maybe that's the secret sauce to a long standing ARPG?

Also laughing at how this whole thread somehow turned into PoE vs D3 when it's just supposed to be about ARPGs in general...

[roxfm]

PoE has been very successful especially considering how limited GGGs' resources have been compared to their competitors.

What keeps POE going year after year is the fact that they keep creating new content. The complexities of the game are practically endless and so is the new seasons that keep adding new mechanics, currencies, and gear/loot.

Compare that to D3's seasons, Blizzard has fallen short a lot. They add 2 class sets, reorganize items and change runes etc, but it doesn't add anything to the actual game itself.

Another thing that PoE has is the number of class-spec combinations. I always thought why Blizzard could not do something like that where each class could be given sub-specialisations that change the playstyle dramatically. Season that add actual new mechanics to mobs, instead of just more HP, or bigger numbers.

The ARPG genre is still very much alive and well and people would love to play it if done well - there is a middle ground to be had in terms of D3 and POE. That in my opinion is the perfect balance of an ARPG.

[rhorle]

Lol let's see D3 in 20 years , people still streaming/youtubing and speedclearing with tons of views & large community. Oh wait, that will NEVER happen.

https://twitchtracker.com/games/1041

https://twitchtracker.com/games/313558

I feel you are blinding your self with bias. Does D2 still have a community? Sure. Is it as popular as you say? Not really. Blizzard North doesn't know what makes a great game either. As the main developers haven't had that great of success outside of Blizzard yet always love to hate on Blizzard. They know the angry biased fan base and how to rile them up at the least.

[SirBeef]

Lol let's see D3 in 20 years , people still streaming/youtubing and speedclearing with tons of views & large community. Oh wait, that will NEVER happen. Its a garbage game compared to D2.. thats fact. It definitely rode on the success of D2, there is absolutely no denying that unless you are delusional. D3 got review bombed for good reason. I doubt D4 will even last long at all, Blizz doesn't know what fun is anymore. I doubt they ever did anyway, it was Blizz north not Blizzard themselves that developed Diablo.

Different game. That's like comparing apples to construction trucks. D2 was designed with a long hunt in minds. Droprates so low it could take literally years before you saw a specific item. D3 was designed to be much quicker and to be played in short bursts. So no. And that isn't a judge on how good of a game it is. Nir does it take away that despite the bullshit some petulant children did online to try to harm D3, it still outsold it's predecessor by 19s if millions of copies.

It's fine if you don't like D3. It's not fine to ignore the facts of the situation. Way more people played it. Critics gave D3 and RoS the same scores as D2 and LoD. And D3 averages more online views than D2.

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https://twitchtracker.com/games/1041

https://twitchtracker.com/games/313558

I feel you are blinding your self with bias. Does D2 still have a community? Sure. Is it as popular as you say? Not really. Blizzard North doesn't know what makes a great game either. As the main developers haven't had that great of success outside of Blizzard yet always love to hate on Blizzard. They know the angry biased fan base and how to rile them up at the least.

That's not true, like Blizzard, they make games that are easily accessible and enjoyed by many. But most have been duds. MHO was a fairly popular pile of garbage. I still contend it would have flopped if not for the Marvel license.

Hellgate had a decent initial showing but the game was bugged to hell and back.

TL seems to be the best if the bunch and did not involve Brevik.

Hell I'd go as far to say if not for Blizzard Irvine interfering with the original Diablo, they may have regretted buying Condor. It was a typical turn based isoCRPG. The market was flooded with those types and most likely it would have done poor to mediocre. Because Irvine imsisted it had to have real time combat and online functionality, the game basically birthed the ARPG.

Similarly with D2, Blizzard North had no real clue what they wanted to do with the story. They had a basic outline but it was the cinematics team at Irvine that made the movies independently and the dev team wrote the story around what they were given because they didn't have much if a direction.

The Schaeffer's were more of the success of the Diablo story. Brevik gets the credit. But he seems to be the underlying problem with the gsmes he makes. He wasn't to do only what he likes, which is niche and needs reigning in fornhus products to do well, or have a high powered license behind him.

[Icoblablubb]

Lel, D3 is one of the most successful games of all times, and the combat is a lot better than in POE.

ya sure bud.. dunno what drugs you are taking but D3 is a failure of the Diablo franchise ... its only successful because the name Diablo sold well and people waited a decade for a Diablo game after D2 and it doesn't matter if D3 combat is better when there is nothing else in that shallow game called Diablo 3

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D3 sold a ton of copies fast, and yes it had issues on launch but they course-corrected and it became an amazing game. I guess if you wanted PVP it sucked but for me and it seems others that didn't matter. D3 > PofE but that is strictly my opinion of course. From what little I played of D4 at con it seems fun and good combat which is what matters the most. I don't want/need overly complicated stats and specs, i just want a good fast ARPG with smooth combat.

when do people realize it only sold well because of the name Diablo ...and units sold =! good game gosh...

[Utrrabbit]

I looked at poe once. Almost puked with how bad it looked. Give me Diable any day 1-4.

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ya sure bud.. dunno what drugs you are taking but D3 is a failure of the Diablo franchise ... its only successful because the name Diablo sold well and people waited a decade for a Diablo game after D2 and it doesn't matter if D3 combat is better when there is nothing else in that shallow game called Diablo 3

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when do people realize it only sold well because of the name Diablo ...and units sold =! good game gosh...

Actually D3 is extemely successful and you still have people playing by the thousands.

The game is actually fun. Unlike poe which is just boring.

[Nalam the Venom]

What do you all think of the new torchlight that recebtly came out?

[cuafpr]

ya sure bud.. dunno what drugs you are taking but D3 is a failure of the Diablo franchise ... its only successful because the name Diablo sold well and people waited a decade for a Diablo game after D2 and it doesn't matter if D3 combat is better when there is nothing else in that shallow game called Diablo 3

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when do people realize it only sold well because of the name Diablo ...and units sold =! good game gosh...

because "good" is subjective to opinions whereas sales stats are pretty concrete measures to judge success, and sales equal profit and that's how businesses judge success