Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[rrayy]

He absolutely broke federal law when he participated in a straw purchase of the rifle.

Nobody said this was a federal case. The charges that were dismissed were only the local charges. Rittenhouse remains open to being charged by the federal government, however.

You said the prosecution could have nailed him on a weapons charge and then cited federal law. A county DA does not have the power to bring federal charges. And no he didn't break federal law. You are spinning it to fit.

[postman1782]

Wrong. I watched the drone footage. He’s literally walking down the sidewalk when Rosenbaum throws something at him then chases him through the parking lot.

Yeah, no you didn't.

[Elegiac]

It’s amazing that you seem to honestly think that half the people on this forum are advocates of violent suppression of others

Considering the right wing has been actively espousing that stance since at least 2016?

Gee, I wonder where I might get that impression.

[gondrin]

Not guilty on all charges.

He nearly broke down in reaction. Shaking profusely. His whole life just came back to him.

Thing is he can still be sued by the families of the people that he did kill as a civil suit. Remember folks, because you weren't found guilty of a crime doesn't mean you cannot be found liable for pain and suffering for the family of the person that was killed. And the burden of proof for civil suits are far lower then criminal.

[Elegiac]

Thing is he can still be sued by the families of the people that he did kill as a civil suit. Remember folks, because you weren't found guilty of a crime doesn't mean you cannot be found liable for pain and suffering for the family of the person that was killed. And the burden of proof for civil suits are far lower then criminal.

To say nothing of the fact that a lot of potential employers aren't going to bother with him for risk of causing a PR disaster.

[rrayy]

Thing is he can still be sued by the families of the people that he did kill as a civil suit. Remember folks, because you weren't found guilty of a crime doesn't mean you cannot be found liable for pain and suffering for the family of the person that was killed. And the burden of proof for civil suits are far lower then criminal.

He has no money. They cannot incarcerate him for a civil verdict. It ain't going to mean squat.

[Roxinius]

Except not all evidence was allowed that showed Kyle was the aggressor.

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After he murdered Rosenbaum. And Rosenbaum never even touched the gun or Kyle.

self defense isnt murder

[Elegiac]

self defense isnt murder

Looking forward to the next school shooter that tries saying this exact thing. /s

[PhaelixWW]

You said the prosecution could have nailed him on a weapons charge

No, really, I didn't. I clarified that just because the local charges were dismissed doesn't mean that he was in legal possession of the firearm.

And no he didn't break federal law. You are spinning it to fit.

We just went through all this. The firearm he used to kill two men was the result of a straw purchase. It was an illegal firearm, and he was in illegal possession of it, due to federal laws.

[gondrin]

To say nothing of the fact that a lot of potential employers aren't going to bother with him for risk of causing a PR disaster.

Well, he does have one job. To get teenage girls for Gaetz. Remember, Gaetz already offered him a job.

[muto]

Yeah, no you didn't.

Yeah actually I did and so did the jury that’s why he didn’t get charged with ANYTHING.

[Roxinius]

Looking forward to the next school shooter that tries saying this exact thing. /s

the fact that you think that could even be argued shows how smooth your brain is

[rrayy]

No, really, I didn't. I clarified that just because the local charges were dismissed doesn't mean that he was in legal possession of the firearm.



We just went through all this. The firearm he used to kill two men was the result of a straw purchase. It was an illegal firearm, and he was in illegal possession of it, due to federal laws.

No you just spewed your interpretation of the law. You spinning the law doesn't make it fact.

[Azadina]

It’s amazing that you seem to honestly think that half the people on this forum are advocates of violent suppression of others, even to the point of murder. Maybe instead of telling us what we think all the time you should listen?

Not half, but some are. Also, listening is pointless because the people who would violently oppress, and even murder people would very rarely tell the truth behind their motivations. Fear not, we have plenty of human history to look at what happens when reich...sorry, right wingers get power to commit murder with little to no consequence. They do it. A lot. Hell of a lot.

[Elegiac]

the fact that you think that could even be argued shows how smooth your brain is

I'm not the one arguing that going out of your way to put yourself in a situation you know will instigate a response and then using that as pretext to kill people is "self-defense", bruh.

You're making the same excuse as people who beat their wives.

[Coniferous]

Wrong. I watched the drone footage. He’s literally walking down the sidewalk when Rosenbaum throws something at him then chases him through the parking lot.

What’s also interesting is that postman has been posting this “fact” incessantly for like weeks and all the other liberal posters on here are pretending his posts about it don’t exist. Seems if he were right, they’d pick up on it and use it, and if wrong, our honorable objective liberals who can’t see partisanship would correct him. Right guys? Right?

[postman1782]

self defense isnt murder

It is when you instigate the whole thing by chasing the first victim, but ignore the evidence, especially the video that wasn't allowed in evidence where he was just itching to shoot people.

[PhaelixWW]

No you just spewed your interpretation of the law. You spinning the law doesn't make it fact.

It's not my interpretation of the law, lol. This is the law. I literally quoted the instructions on the federal form.

Like I said, I sold firearms for a decade. I've dealt with the ATF on these matters. What's your expertise, sport?


EDIT: Here are images of the actual question and instructions from the ATF form 4473.

The question:




The instructions:

[Roxinius]

I'm not the one arguing that going out of your way to put yourself in a situation you know will instigate a response and then using that as pretext to kill people is "self-defense", bruh.

You're literally making the same excuse as people who beat their wives.

no you're just the one making brainless comparisons

[rrayy]

It is when you instigate the whole thing by chasing the first victim, but ignore the evidence, especially the video that wasn't allowed in evidence where he was just itching to shoot people.

Stop lying. Repeating the same lies over and over again do not make them facts.