Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Ursus]

muto should be in the olympics for how much juggling, deflection, and hopping from one foot to the other that he is able to do simultaneously.

Here is a quick summary of his arguments for anyone who doesn't want to lose brain cells by reading through all his posts:


Muto: It was self-defense.
Poster: How was it self-defense?
Muto: You need to watch the video.
Poster: I did watch the video. What part are you referring to?
Muto: The part where he defended himself.
Poster: How was he defending himself?
Muto: You need to watch the video.
Poster: Which part?
Muto: The part where he defended himself.

[muto]

If the kid was attacked why isn't he showing any photos of marks from said attack?

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Not sure if you know this, but you don't get to claim self defense when committing illegal activities.

Why would he need to? There’s a video of him running from a mob, and he’s trying to run to the police to confess from the earlier shooting in which he also defended himself. He falls, gets swung at with a skateboard, and another guy comes at him with a pistol. He shoots the guy with the skateboard, and then shoots the guy with the pistol in his arm. He then gets up and tries to surrender to the police, but they shrug him off.

[Bodakane]

Yes those are facts, and none of them have to do with the fact he defended himself.

You're wrong. Again bring a fucking fact to the table.

You are not allowed to put yourself into a violent situation, with violent intent then claim self defense when things get violent.

He wasn't harmed or touched. No one pointed a weapon at him. He was out past curfew. He was illegally armed. He has a history of violence. He was gloved up showing he was trying to get away with a crime.

Your argument is as stupid and wrong as bank robber shooting a security guard during the robbery because the guard was trying to stop him and calling self defense.

Never mind, forget everything I said. You should reach out to Rittenhouse and offer to be his lawyer.

[Orange Joe]

Why would he need to? There’s a video of him running from a mob, and he’s trying to run to the police to confess from the earlier shooting in which he also defended himself. He falls, gets swung at with a skateboard, and another guy comes at him with a pistol. He shoots the guy with the skateboard, and then shoots the guy with the pistol in his arm. He then gets up and tries to surrender to the police, but they shrug him off.

how was the first shooting self defense. And again you don't get to claim self defense while committing a illegal activity.

[draynay]

Everything after the first murder was self defense! And he tried to turn himself into the police! You can tell because right after the first killing, he got out his phone and called - not the police.

You can run yourself in circles but its stupid to think anyone is gonna follow you.

[Machismo]

Everything after the first murder was self defense! And he tried to turn himself into the police! You can tell because right after the first killing, he got out his phone and called - not the police.

You can run yourself in circles but its stupid to think anyone is gonna follow you.

Who he called is going to be a big issue, as will all his contacts in the days leading up to it.

People seem to think this is just about the few minutes that are caught on camera, when that is not going to be what establishes the overall circumstances. As of now, I do not know who he called, but that could be damning for him.

[Ursus]

Who he called is going to be a big issue, as will all his contacts in the days leading up to it.

People seem to think this is just about the few minutes that are caught on camera, when that is not going to be what establishes the overall circumstances. As of now, I do not know who he called, but that could be damning for him.

From what I've read, the only thing we know at this point about the person he called is that it was a friend.

I don't know about everyone else, but if I just shot someone in self-defense and I was still in fear of my life that others were trying to hurt me, I would call the police, not a friend.

[Felya]

Who he called is going to be a big issue, as will all his contacts in the days leading up to it.

People seem to think this is just about the few minutes that are caught on camera, when that is not going to be what establishes the overall circumstances. As of now, I do not know who he called, but that could be damning for him.

He called his friend and was heard saying he killed someone...

[Flower Milk]

People need to stop calling it a Civil War and call it what it really is, it's fascism.

https://twitter.com/carterforva/stat...50936383787009

The history of Nazis holding rallies in left-wing areas of Weimar Germany, instigating street fights, and then telling the press that only they could save Germany from the "violent communists" seems like an important thing for people to be studying right now.

The only way you stop fascist ideology is to improve people's material conditions. You don't vote out fascist ideology, if Biden is elected fascists still exist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guide...jxs/revision/7

Adolf Hitler was disillusioned and bitter after World War One. He felt the war had ended too soon and the Weimar Republic had sold Germany out by agreeing to the Treaty of Versailles.

In 1919 he joined a small political party in Munich, known as the German Workers' Party. Before long he was its leader.

He changed the party name to the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP). This became known as the Nazi party.
Nazi policies

The Nazi party’s policies were deliberately vague so they might appeal to as many people as possible. People of both right and moderate-left wing politics joined because they agreed with at least one of their policies:

an aim to abolish the "unfair punishment" of the Treaty of Versailles was popular with many Germans
promises of better pensions and increased employment appealed to the common man and many traditional socialists
opposition to communism led many landowners and businessmen to support the Nazis – they were seen as the only credible right-wing alternative to the left-wing parties.
belief in the supremacy of the German race appealed to nationalists.
paramilitary groups reminded people of the comradeship they shared as soldiers during World War One
the promise to re-militarise Germany would bring in huge industrial contracts – bringing support from many industrialists
Hitler's hatred of Jews struck a chord with many people - they were a convenient scapegoat for all Germany's problems

Never forget that the last time we saw fascism in America was during the Great Depression, when the American Nazi Party was formed. And don't forget that corporations will always side with fascism, the alternative is siding with the left and making less profit. Ask yourself why corporate media would want to frame what's going on right now as "Civil War" over the reality, which is fascism.

[Machismo]

From what I've read, the only thing we know at this point about the person he called is that it was a friend.

I don't know about everyone else, but if I just shot someone in self-defense and I was still in fear of my life that others were trying to hurt me, I would call the police, not a friend.

That's a big issue. I hadn't seen a confirmation of who he called. Calling a friend, or fellow militia fuckstick doesn't look good for him.

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He called his friend and was heard saying he killed someone...

Has that actually been confirmed?

[Ursus]

Has that actually been confirmed?

Yes. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/08/...ot-two-others/

As Rosenbaum lay on the ground, the suspect made a call on his cellphone and said, “I just killed somebody” as he ran away, the complaint alleges. His friend received a call from him at 11:46 p.m. saying that he shot someone, an investigator says in the complaint.

[Zeth Hawkins]

Another shooting.

Portland Oregon, victim a member of Patriot Prayer
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/u...-shooting.html

A man affiliated with a right-wing group was shot and killed Saturday as a large group of supporters of President Trump traveled in a caravan through downtown Portland, Ore., which has had nightly protests for three consecutive months.

The pro-Trump rally drew hundreds of trucks full of supporters into the city. At times, Trump supporters and counterprotesters clashed on the streets, with people shooting paintball guns from the beds of pickup trucks and protesters throwing objects back at them.

A video that purports to be of the shooting, taken from the far side of the street, showed a small group of people in the road outside what appears to be a parking garage. Gunfire erupts, and a man collapses in the street.

The man who was shot and killed was wearing a hat with the insignia of Patriot Prayer, a far-right group based in the Portland area that has clashed with protesters in the past. Joey Gibson, the head of the group, said Sunday he could not share many details but could confirm the man was a good friend and supporter of Patriot Prayer.

The Portland Police Bureau said that officers heard reports of gunfire shortly before 9 p.m. and found a victim with a gunshot wound to the chest. It was determined that the victim had died. They did not release any information about a possible gunman.

“This violence is completely unacceptable, and we are working diligently to find and apprehend the individual or individuals responsible,” Police Chief Chuck Lovell said early Sunday.

Still very early, with not much known of the incident.

Only footage of the shooting I could find:
https://twitter.com/OrwellOf/status/1300101859328380929

[Belize]

Another shooting.

Portland Oregon, victim a member of Patriot Prayer
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/u...-shooting.html


Still very early, with not much known of the incident.

Only footage of the shooting I could find:
https://twitter.com/OrwellOf/status/1300101859328380929

I'm sure he was shot by someone exercising their right of self defense.

That's how it goes, no?

[Xyonai]

Another shooting.

Portland Oregon, victim a member of Patriot Prayer
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/u...-shooting.html


Still very early, with not much known of the incident.

Only footage of the shooting I could find:
https://twitter.com/OrwellOf/status/1300101859328380929

Posted about that before going to bed last night, and the right-wing twitter sphere is in an uproar about it.

I'm predicting more misguided escalations that just lead to more shit like this.

[Bodakane]

Posted about that before going to bed last night, and the right-wing twitter sphere is in an uproar about it.

I'm predicting more misguided escalations that just lead to more shit like this.

I legit can't tell what happened in that video, but it sure looks like straight up murder. Hopefully they catch and convict the person that did it.

[Zan15]

I'm sure he was shot by someone exercising their right of self defense.

That's how it goes, no?

ya i posted in the abnormally quiet gun control thread. Some reason no one is parroting this defense for this shooting of a MAGA "rioter".


Also weird a lot of sights no one is protesting the actions by MAGA rioters in trucks running over and trying to run over other people.


odd isn't it.

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I legit can't tell what happened in that video, but it sure looks like straight up murder. Hopefully they catch and convict the person that did it.

based on the standards set last week by the right, republicans, 2A supporters and the like.....the second the other dude made any steps towards the gun man....poof self defense kicks in and he should be innocent.

great read over on the 2A thread over here and their logic and the shooters lawyers logic.

republicans and Trump heads keep supporting this line of logic its going to turn out eventually to be a blood bath between two legal gun groups.

[Flower Milk]

I legit can't tell what happened in that video, but it sure looks like straight up murder. Hopefully they catch and convict the person that did it.

Even if they catch the guy that did it and it turns out to be some MAGA chud, the right will still use it as reason to escalate the violence and kill more people under the guise of "self defense" or "protecting themselves/property". We all know this to be true.

Don't forget that the Nazis burned the Reichstag but utilized propaganda to blame it on the Communists so the Weimar government would side with them. Liberals and capitalists will always side with fascists, they're already telling the protesters to stay home because they're saying the people protesting black people being slaughtered by the police are "hurting Biden's chances".

Also the protesters tried to help treat the guy who was shot but the police beat them and pushed them away:

https://twitter.com/BoyneSierra/stat...30924147781633

I was one of two medics on scene when the man who died last night was shot. I barely had time to begin an examination before the cops pushed and baton-ed me off of his body. That man was alive when I left and it will haunt me for the rest of my life that they screamed about

Having a “real medic” and none was on scene and that man not but 20 minutes later was confirmed dead. When I close my eyes I can only see his face and the murderous rage in the eyes of a cop abusing me to force me away from helping him as best I could.

[Bodakane]

Even if they catch the guy that did it and it turns out to be some MAGA chud, the right will still use it as reason to escalate the violence and kill more people under the guise of "self defense" or "protecting themselves/property". We all know this to be true.

Don't forget that the Nazis burned the Reichstag but utilized propaganda to blame it on the Communists so the Weimar government would side with them. Liberals and capitalists will always side with fascists, they're already telling the protesters to stay home because they're saying the people protesting black people being slaughtered by the police are "hurting Biden's chances".

Also the protesters tried to help treat the guy who was shot but the police beat them and pushed them away:

https://twitter.com/BoyneSierra/stat...30924147781633

I don't care what the MAGA crowd says anymore. Its not like they use or even care about facts. Trump could be the one that shot the guy dead and they'd justify it. Trump literally said that during his last campaign. You can't reason with that nor can you let fear of their reaction dictate anything. Every time we consider them and what they'll do, we validate their bullshit and give them a seat at the adult table.

When people take about the high road, it needs to begin and end at "not breaking the law". that's it. Its time the Dems took the gloves off and came out swinging and stop playing scared.

[Flower Milk]

I don't care what the MAGA crowd says anymore. Its not like they use or even care about facts. Trump could be the one that shot the guy dead and they'd justify it. Trump literally said that during his last campaign. You can't reason with that nor can you let fear of their reaction dictate anything. Every time we consider them and what they'll do, we validate their bullshit and give them a seat at the adult table.

When people take about the high road, it needs to begin and end at "not breaking the law". that's it. Its time the Dems took the gloves off and came out swinging and stop playing scared.

They won't. Liberals always side with fascists, and if you view yourself as a liberal and side against fascists, congratulations and welcome to the left.

Democrats are literally already blaming the BLM protests for why Biden will potentially lose the election. Biden just put out a statement where he "condemns violence on both sides, the left and right", something Trump said right after Charlottesville even though in both instances it's clear the instigators are the fucking fascists.

Never forget that the Weimar liberals sided with the Nazis. Don't expect Democrats to "take off the gloves" and do much of anything anytime soon. No one is coming to save us, we have to save ourselves.

[Xyonai]

I don't care what the MAGA crowd says anymore. Its not like they use or even care about facts. Trump could be the one that shot the guy dead and they'd justify it. Trump literally said that during his last campaign. You can't reason with that nor can you let fear of their reaction dictate anything. Every time we consider them and what they'll do, we validate their bullshit and give them a seat at the adult table.

When people take about the high road, it needs to begin and end at "not breaking the law". that's it. Its time the Dems took the gloves off and came out swinging and stop playing scared.

You say this, but I'm actually surprised the usual suspects haven't chimed in yet. Usually they only keep quiet until there are nits to pick or when the talking points roll in, and even if we know nothing about the shooter or their motives there's still been enough there for Right leaning folks in other social media spheres to start screaming about Rampant Antifa Violence and - without a hint or irony - Joe Biden's refusal to condemn it despite doing so.