Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Bodakane]

You say this, but I'm actually surprised the usual suspects haven't chimed in yet. Usually they only keep quiet until there are nits to pick or when the talking points roll in, and even if we know nothing about the shooter or their motives there's still been enough there for Right leaning folks in other social media spheres to start screaming about Rampant Antifa Violence and - without a hint or irony - Joe Biden's refusal to condemn it despite doing so.

Its coming. The right disinformation factories will start disseminating the talking points no later than tomorrow. We will see a deluge of right puppets all saying the exact same thing in the next few days.

[Xyonai]

Its coming. The right disinformation factories will start disseminating the talking points no later than tomorrow. We will see a deluge of right puppets all saying the exact same thing in the next few days.

My (safe, assuming none of the following are banned right now) bets are:

Cheshire Cat guy clutching his pearls about the 'Deranged Left' while offering nothing else beyond lamenting how bestial and savage they are
A Buoy saying that this is the first shot of the next civil war, and scolding the Left for not capitulating more to the wants of willfully misinformed Alt-right whackjobs
A low-post count profile without a profile image sealioning for six pages
And the meat man and sarcastic obama profile picture guys tag-teaming about how this is all the Left's fault because of the failure of Democrats and how Trump would be right in his assertions to send in the national guard / the calls for Label the entire Antifa movement as terrorists.

[Flower Milk]

Liberals stop attributing fascists killing people to "Russia" challenge 2020, please

https://twitter.com/alsoconnor/statu...10995117862916

[Themius]

Liberals stop attributing fascists killing people to "Russia" challenge 2020, please

https://twitter.com/alsoconnor/statu...10995117862916

Why not though? I'm confused.. Russia specifically has been involved in these. They were involved when it came to unite the right, they were involved when it came to organisation a number of other gatherings of hate groups and such in America. So... why not ask this question? And the fact you think they must be liberal... really speaks to the fact you do not care to have a proper conversation.

[Flower Milk]

Why not though? I'm confused.. Russia specifically has been involved in these. They were involved when it came to unite the right, they were involved when it came to organisation a number of other gatherings of hate groups and such in America. So... why not ask this question? And the fact you think they must be liberal... really speaks to the fact you do not care to have a proper conversation.

Clearly the right wing racists are not at fault for shooting protesters, it's because Russians on social media brainwashed them to shoot people and they're adults who aren't responsible for their own actions. Do you see how stupid this sounds?

[JohnBrown1917]

Why not though? I'm confused.. Russia specifically has been involved in these. They were involved when it came to unite the right, they were involved when it came to organisation a number of other gatherings of hate groups and such in America. So... why not ask this question? And the fact you think they must be liberal... really speaks to the fact you do not care to have a proper conversation.

Because its American fascists who encourage other American fascists to kill people, not the Russians. But they make a great boogeyman to the liberals of the US by taking away the blame from the flaws in the US systems. The US fascists don't need new ideas from Russia, they have been doing the same shit since the US nazi party was founded.

Liberals have not even tried to do anything to stop police abuse in the last few decades, liberal darling Biden even made it worse with his crime bill, and Darling 2#, Kamala, was a prosector who was part of the problem in the justice system.

[Templar 331]

Liberals have not even tried to do anything to stop police abuse in the last few decades, liberal darling Biden even made it worse with his crime bill, and Darling 2#, Kamala, was a prosector who was part of the problem in the justice system.

Looking at the blow back from "Defund the Police" is it really hard to believe not much has gotten done about police abuse? It's about the same as cutting military spending or funding health care or anything to do with guns. One group screams bloody murder at the idea of it no matter how well it could be implemented. As a result the "liberals" have to pick which avenues they can take to enact ANY change.

[Flower Milk]

Because its American fascists who encourage other American fascists to kill people, not the Russians. But they make a great boogeyman to the liberals of the US by taking away the blame from the flaws in the US systems. The US fascists don't need new ideas from Russia, they have been doing the same shit since the US nazi party was founded.

Liberals have not even tried to do anything to stop police abuse in the last few decades, liberal darling Biden even made it worse with his crime bill, and Darling 2#, Kamala, was a prosector who was part of the problem in the justice system.

I'm willing to bet we're like this || close to liberals cheering when the fascists throw the left into camps because we refused to vote for Biden. They'll say we deserved it.

[Themius]

Clearly the right wing racists are not at fault for shooting protesters, it's because Russians on social media brainwashed them to shoot people and they're adults who aren't responsible for their own actions. Do you see how stupid this sounds?

Saying that Russia is behind inciting violence doesn't magically mean that the people who are going about shooting people aren't culpable. That's not how it works. No one is saying there in that clip to say only Russia is to blame and the person shooting has no culpability the fact that you jumped to that assertion out of that is fucking crazy to me.

"Russia has been inciting violence by appealing to and riling up hate groups" Is not tantamount to saying the hate groups are victims who aren't to blame...

Are you even thinking through your argument?

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Because its American fascists who encourage other American fascists to kill people, not the Russians. But they make a great boogeyman to the liberals of the US by taking away the blame from the flaws in the US systems. The US fascists don't need new ideas from Russia, they have been doing the same shit since the US nazi party was founded.

Liberals have not even tried to do anything to stop police abuse in the last few decades, liberal darling Biden even made it worse with his crime bill, and Darling 2#, Kamala, was a prosector who was part of the problem in the justice system.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/cyber...harlottesville

A Cyber Vault study of social media activity by the Internet Research Agency (IRA) during the violent Charlottesville protests in August 2017 demonstrates how the controversial Russia-based organization targeted social divisions in the United States at an extraordinarily tense political moment. Researchers with the Cyber Vault project at the nongovernmental National Security Archive used two publicly released datasets to bring into relief at least a part of the IRA’s operations, providing a level of clarity into that organization’s tactics.

The existence of social media campaigns connected by U.S. intelligence to the Russian Government and aimed at destabilizing American politics continues to be the topic of much discussion and study, but case studies accessible to most social media users in America are difficult to produce given the scope of these operations. This posting seeks to provide such a case study as it relates to the IRA’s tactic of playing up both sides of a critical issue. While Russian support to the Trump campaign on social media and through the release of information obtained through cyberattack is well recognized, less well known is IRA amplification of political beliefs and voices specifically selected to increase polarization in American discourse.

In February of 2018, the IRA, along with two related Russian organizations and thirteen individuals, was indicted for activities related to social media manipulation campaigns. The indictment alleges that the Russian organizations and individuals, “posing as U.S. persons and creating false U.S. personas, operated social media pages and groups designed to attract U.S. audiences. These groups and pages, which addressed divisive U.S. political and social issues, falsely claimed to be controlled by U.S. activists when, in fact, they were controlled by Defendants. […] Over time, these social media accounts became Defendants’ means to reach significant numbers of Americans for purposes of interfering with the U.S. political system, including the presidential election of 2016.”

As a part of the House Intelligence Committee’s own investigation into Russia’s use of social media, Facebook and the House Intelligence Committee released data from advertising purchases made by the IRA, and in late 2018 Twitter released their own data on IRA-connected accounts. While these releases demonstrated at scale the degree to which the IRA attempted to leverage a diverse set of political beliefs against political controversies in the United States to exacerbate partisan divides, the size of the datasets (3,613 accounts and 1.2 gigabytes of data from individual tweets) was prohibitive to most social media users and makes it extraordinarily difficult to form accessible case studies with which to educate the American electorate.

To address this, the Cyber Vault project matched identifying account data from Twitter’s October 2018 release with data produced by software developers in The George Washington University library system to produce a list of tweets during the Charlottesville protest from IRA-linked accounts. As Twitter’s release included a list of IRA-linked accounts but hashed, or anonymized, the identifying fields of many accounts, this is by no means a comprehensive list of IRA-linked tweets. Twitter’s explanation for anonymizing data in its release is as follows:

Biden a liberal darling? How much of the fake news koolaid are you fucking drinking to think that bogus claim?

[Felya]

Biden a liberal darling? How much of the fake news koolaid are you fucking drinking to think that bogus claim?

According to Trump he is... at this point we have the far right screaming he is a rioter, antifa, socialist... while the far left claims he is a cop who wants everyone in jail. As in... our politics are so fucked, it doesn’t actually mater who is running, the same talking point will be applied regardless.

For Trump supporters, Biden is the second coming of Lenin, while for far left it’s Goldwater... It’s not just a small disagreement, the width of this chasm of disagreement, is so wide... it’s absurd...

[JohnBrown1917]

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/cyber...harlottesville

How does this change that all these ideas are homegrown and led by Americans? American fascists are the problem, you don't get rid of them by writing angry letter to Russia.

Biden a liberal darling? How much of the fake news koolaid are you fucking drinking to think that bogus claim?

He is the democratic nominee, don't kid yourself. US liberals have always been even more right-wing than those in the rest of the world, so is it really a surprise to you that US liberals would pick Biden?


Or you gonna tell me now that they did not pick Biden because they liked him? Do they just pick the candidate they hate the most, or what? Or are the democrats not liberal anymore, then who are?

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Looking at the blow back from "Defund the Police" is it really hard to believe not much has gotten done about police abuse? It's about the same as cutting military spending or funding health care or anything to do with guns. One group screams bloody murder at the idea of it no matter how well it could be implemented. As a result the "liberals" have to pick which avenues they can take to enact ANY change.

And yet they can't somehow just ignore that voter base and instead just make sure that nothing has changed in decades. Same goes for the military funding, its not an excuse.

[Felya]

He is the democratic nominee, don't kid yourself. US liberals have always been even more right-wing than those in the rest of the world, so is it really a surprise to you that US liberals would pick Biden?

Were you kidding your self, when you thought Bernie would win?

Or you gonna tell me now that they did not pick Biden because they liked him? Do they just pick the candidate they hate the most, or what? Or the democrats not liberal anymore, then who are?

Biden got picked as a return to normalcy over Trump... Everything from this forum to enthusiasm polling should tell you as much. The reason why Biden was selected, is why Trump is working super hard to create an impression of Biden, that you think democrats already have. It’s not democrats that you need to convince that Biden isn’t the antifa loving, BLM supporting, left wing messiah... it’s Trump supporters... because RNC just spent 5 days convincing America, that Biden is everything you claim he isn’t...

[Draco-Onis]

He is the democratic nominee, don't kid yourself. US liberals have always been even more right-wing than those in the rest of the world, so is it really a surprise to you that US liberals would pick Biden?


Or you gonna tell me now that they did not pick Biden because they liked him? Do they just pick the candidate they hate the most, or what? Or the democrats not liberal anymore, then who are?

No Biden is not a liberal darling, the reason Biden won the primary is because of the electoral college. If you look at the enthusiasm numbers it speaks for itself there's no excitement by the base for a Biden presidency this is all driven by the fear of Donald Trump. The people who got Biden the win especially black people did not want to take the risk so they picked the candidate the hicks in the swing states would not be scared of.

That's the simple truth this election is all about Trump, Biden is as close to generic white safe candidate in order to win the swing states. We will see if playing it safe will be the right move instead of going with the progressive.

[Felya]

That's the simple truth this election is all about Trump, Biden is as close to generic white safe candidate in order to win the swing states. We will see if playing it safe will be the right move instead of going with the progressive.

You can even see this, because it’s not Biden that is running as a BLM activist... It’s Trump running against Biden, the BLM activist. His argument should be with Trump supporters, voting against the antifa super left wing Biden. His argument isn’t with democrats...

[JohnBrown1917]

No Biden is not a liberal darling, the reason Biden won the primary is because of the electoral college. If you look at the enthusiasm numbers it speaks for itself there's no excitement by the base for a Biden presidency this is all driven by the fear of Donald Trump. The people who got Biden the win especially black people did not want to take the risk so they picked the candidate the hicks in the swing states would not be scared of.

That's the simple truth this election is all about Trump, Biden is as close to generic white safe candidate in order to win the swing states. We will see if playing it safe will be the right move instead of going with the progressive.

I stand by the fact that by voting him in, he has the liberal support and I don't see the problem of using "liberal darling" as shorthand for that I don't really care why they voted him, as that is not relevant to the statement of denying that liberals stand behind Biden.


If you're looking for the solution to police violence, liberalism or fascism are not the answers. US history has shown that.

[Felya]

I stand by the fact that by voting him in, he is a liberal darling. If people don't like that, they should not have voted for him.

No, people should treat you, according to your opinion... not treat ludicrous opinion, as something needing action. People who think Biden is a liberal darling, are voting for Trump.

[Templar 331]

And yet they can't somehow just ignore that voter base and instead just make sure that nothing has changed in decades. Same goes for the military funding, its not an excuse.

I don't disagree with you. It's one of the biggest gripes I have with the Democrats. They'd rather keep the status quo than lean left. Unfortunately any perceived move left comes with a dramatic reaction from republican voters. Case in point, Obama to Trump.

But my point is as long as the Republican party has a chance to counter the Democrats there's not much incentive for the Democrats to rock the boat. Any overt move could face backlash and ultimately backfire. And unfortunately the system is rigged to ensure Republicans have that chance. I'm not saying that Republicans shouldn't hold office, it's that they don't represent as much of this country as they think they should.

[muto]

I stand by the fact that by voting him in, he has the liberal support and I don't see the problem of using "liberal darling" as shorthand for that I don't really care why they voted him, as that is not relevant to the statement of denying that liberals stand behind Biden.


If you're looking for the solution to police violence, liberalism or fascism are not the answers. US history has shown that.

True. Ronald Reagan once said “if Fascism ever comes to America it will come in the name of Liberalism”.

[Ivanstone]

Because its American fascists who encourage other American fascists to kill people, not the Russians. But they make a great boogeyman to the liberals of the US by taking away the blame from the flaws in the US systems. The US fascists don't need new ideas from Russia, they have been doing the same shit since the US nazi party was founded.

The America flames of racism have been burning for 100s of years. The Russians are still helping American racists to keep those fires burning.

[Bodakane]

He is the democratic nominee, don't kid yourself. US liberals have always been even more right-wing than those in the rest of the world, so is it really a surprise to you that US liberals would pick Biden?

Or you gonna tell me now that they did not pick Biden because they liked him? Do they just pick the candidate they hate the most, or what? Or are the democrats not liberal anymore, then who are?

The US Democratic Party is the party of "play it safe". The chose Biden not because they thought he was best for the job, not because he best represents liberal values......they chose him because they thought he was the safest pick.