1. #14361
    Quote Originally Posted by silveth View Post
    Is that any different from left wingers defending rioters and looters?

    I mean they burned down a pawn shop in Minn. Then we find out there was a body found in there. They loot a pawn shop in St Lewis, oh and killed and elderly black man that showed up to his friends business when they had broken in. They killed an 8 year old child in Atlanta after burning down the Wendy's and setting up camp there.

    They now seem to be trying the block people in buildings and burning them down? Is that ok?

    Like I said earlier, I personally can see how the case is not cut and dry. I am not sure if he was in the right or not. I am sad that the events happened and that 2 people are dead.

    But your right to some "right wingers" they think he was justified.

    Just like to some "left wingers" the actions of the "peaceful protesters" are justified.

    Team sports at its best. People are dying for it now, peoples lives are being destroyed for it now. Everyone has to build the narrative so that their side is always right. The other side is always wrong. No middle ground. The other side can never have a point. If they have facts that dispute your ideas, ignore them. If they have thoughts different from yours, they are subhuman.
    Wait, point to me where people are defending rioters and looters. Arrest them all. But burning something down or looting a building isn't a reason for a death sentence at the hands of cops or anyone else.

    But, we go to look at Fox News, they are hailing Rittenhouse as a hero. They tried to do the same thing with James Fields as well, Heather Heyer's killer.

    You don't see anyone defending the guy that killed that domestic terrorist group member from Patriot Prayer, do you?

  2. #14362
    Quote Originally Posted by silveth View Post
    Is that any different from left wingers defending rioters and looters?

    I mean they burned down a pawn shop in Minn. Then we find out there was a body found in there. They loot a pawn shop in St Lewis, oh and killed and elderly black man that showed up to his friends business when they had broken in. They killed an 8 year old child in Atlanta after burning down the Wendy's and setting up camp there.
    Your conflation of protesters and rioters is telling.

    No one in the mainstream condones rioters. And no one condones the loss of life in that fire in Minnesota (those riots were started by a right wing provocateur though, iirc), and in St. Louis either. I notice how you don't mention that in St. Louis that same week, a protester was killed by police for.....BBQing and feeding protesters.

    None of us condone murder.

    What some of us CAN do is understand why riots are happening - because when you oppress a community, and put it under this much pressure, for literally 400 years......it's gonna boil over. And it's largely because of conditions conservatives have created - slavery, into Jim Crow, into policing, housing, and political policies that led to the ghettoization of black communities and the drug war.

    But of course, you insist on people taking responsibility! They must pull themselves up by the bootstraps even though we've been taking their boots for centuries! Ignore the systematic levers and pullies created to keep them oppressed and poor!

  3. #14363
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    I guess US media isn't having best interests of US at heart given "In defense of looting" getting article on NPR.

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    Vast majority of police action does not result in deaths either, yet protests against them seem justified.
    So basically an opinion article, is every US media person? Jesus christ, whatever turnips they pay you, it isn't enough for the mental gymnastics you use to come up with this bullshit.

  4. #14364
    I'll defend looting.

    Black people in America have been oppressed since the first one was forcibly brought here. They have tried everything to get disproportionate police stops and police brutality to cease. The have protested peacefully, tried to enact laws, voted, fought in our wars, spoke up, fought and even rioted. The last time they peacefully protested the very same people bitching about the looting were screaming, crying and boycotting kneeling. The same people bitching now are the same people screaming, crying and boycotting having to wear mask during a fucking pandemic as if that is real oppression.

    You guys have drowned out their voices, committed violence and rigged the system so fucking much, black people have literally no other option. Until you hear them and help them enact change our cities deserve to burn. We've made people desperate then forced them into a corner. We reap what we sow.
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    I’ll also defend looting: property damage is not and never will be equivalent to oppression and murder. Nor do y’all actually give a shit about looting because we don’t hear a peep about capitalism. Rofl.

    The rioting could be prevented if you stopped the murders, but for some reason conservatives seem to only care about the former.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    I guess US media isn't having best interests of US at heart given "In defense of looting" getting article on NPR.

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    Vast majority of police action does not result in deaths either, yet protests against them seem justified.
    Did you not even read the title of the thing you're linking?

    One Author's Controversial View:
    One as in one person... like you're not even reading your own fucking shit.

    Also what do you have to say about the millions of stops and profiles made against black and brown peopel?

    What do you have to say about black people being 500% more likely to be punished with a drug crime than whites when whites are the majority who are more likely to both use and sell drugs yet black people and latinos end up making up the majority of those in prison for a crime that white people are more likely to commit.

    There is an entire justice system against blacks and latinos in this country and you know how many dies in jail? it is between 27 times the murder rate of the country for jails and 56 TIMES THE MURDER RATE at prisons.

    Almost 6000 deaths every year, and most prisoners are in prison for... non violent crimes many of them are there for crimes that white people never go to jail for, or very rarely go to jail for.

    You do know that whites get much lower sentences for same crime right? But let me guess.. that's not a problem for you because....... what they deserve it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I'll defend looting.

    Black people in America have been oppressed since the first one was forcibly brought here. They have tried everything to get disproportionate police stops and police brutality to cease. The have protested peacefully, tried to enact laws, voted, fought in our wars, spoke up, fought and even rioted. The last time they peacefully protested the very same people bitching about the looting were screaming, crying and boycotting kneeling. The same people bitching now are the same people screaming, crying and boycotting having to wear mask during a fucking pandemic as if that is real oppression.

    You guys have drowned out their voices, committed violence and rigged the system so fucking much, black people have literally no other option. Until you hear them and help them enact change our cities deserve to burn. We've made people desperate then forced them into a corner. We reap what we sow.
    Also It is important to take a step back, and study history.

    What fucking revolution or major change has happened without violence and without riots?????

    Those seem to be the only things that force peopel to make changes.

    So if people want less rioting and looting, maybe they should give a fucking shit about human lives instead of a burning fucking pile of god damn bricks that insurance will pay for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    I’ll also defend looting: property damage is not and never will be equivalent to oppression and murder. Nor do y’all actually give a shit about looting because we don’t hear a peep about capitalism. Rofl.

    The rioting could be prevented if you stopped the murders, but for some reason conservatives seem to only care about the former.
    Did you see this bullshit!!!!


    How can they do that!!!

    Violence against property is never the answer, and why would they take down history like that?! Fucking crazy how violent mobs can just tear down history like that!
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  7. #14367
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    One report about a book author = us media... lol


    Then the irony of your second statement right after your first....... /facepalm....
    I can't with these people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    I’ll also defend looting: property damage is not and never will be equivalent to oppression and murder. Nor do y’all actually give a shit about looting because we don’t hear a peep about capitalism. Rofl.

    The rioting could be prevented if you stopped the murders, but for some reason conservatives seem to only care about the former.
    Here's my issue with looting in the US; it gives the conservative nutjobs an in to exercise their 2A rights, the police are already a compromised institution as far as brutality against minorities is concerned, and there is this middle-ground of independent voters who are so on the fence social equality/inequality, that it may tip them. So it's risk/reward. And that's separate to the fact that I'm fundamentally opposed to looting/rioting.

  9. #14369
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Did you not even read the title of the thing you're linking?



    One as in one person... like you're not even reading your own fucking shit.

    Also what do you have to say about the millions of stops and profiles made against black and brown peopel?

    What do you have to say about black people being 500% more likely to be punished with a drug crime than whites when whites are the majority who are more likely to both use and sell drugs yet black people and latinos end up making up the majority of those in prison for a crime that white people are more likely to commit.

    There is an entire justice system against blacks and latinos in this country and you know how many dies in jail? it is between 27 times the murder rate of the country for jails and 56 TIMES THE MURDER RATE at prisons.

    Almost 6000 deaths every year, and most prisoners are in prison for... non violent crimes many of them are there for crimes that white people never go to jail for, or very rarely go to jail for.

    You do know that whites get much lower sentences for same crime right? But let me guess.. that's not a problem for you because....... what they deserve it?

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    Also It is important to take a step back, and study history.

    What fucking revolution or major change has happened without violence and without riots?????

    Those seem to be the only things that force peopel to make changes.

    So if people want less rioting and looting, maybe they should give a fucking shit about human lives instead of a burning fucking pile of god damn bricks that insurance will pay for.

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    Did you see this bullshit!!!!
    How can they do that!!!

    Violence against property is never the answer, and why would they take down history like that?! Fucking crazy how violent mobs can just tear down history like that!
    Heart breaking. It belongs in a museum.

  10. #14370
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    Here's my issue with looting in the US; it gives the conservative nutjobs an in to exercise their 2A rights, the police are already a compromised institution as far as brutality against minorities is concerned, and there is this middle-ground of independent voters who are so on the fence social equality/inequality, that it may tip them. And that's separate to the fact that I'm fundamentally opposed to looting/rioting.
    I mean, it's all very academic from the outside, yeah. I get you and from an outside PoV I agree. But it's very different for the people directly involved and effected. To many of them, if you're still on the fence at this point, you're part of the problem that's enabled this bullshit for generations.

    That's not to say I support or condone the behavior, but in context some of it is absolutely understandable when you have a community that's been shit on, ignored, and shit on again despite peaceful protests to make their issues heard.

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    One thing, yes, I can say looting and rioting is taking things to far ... however, I have to remember one of the things that happened in the Revolutionary War was essentially rioting by destroying property. We literally celebrate the Boston Tea Party as something to be proud of, but if something like the Boston Tea Party happened today, people would be calling them all sorts of names.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I mean, it's all very academic from the outside, yeah. I get you and from an outside PoV I agree. But it's very different for the people directly involved and effected. To many of them, if you're still on the fence at this point, you're part of the problem that's enabled this bullshit for generations.

    That's not to say I support or condone the behavior, but in context some of it is absolutely understandable when you have a community that's been shit on, ignored, and shit on again despite peaceful protests to make their issues heard.
    I agree, the fence sitters are part of the problem. No one in the right mind should be denying social equality. But I cannot condone violence. Right from police brutality to looting to gang crimes (regardless of race). I'm just a damn pacifist in every way, no matter how much I like video games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    Here's my issue with looting in the US; it gives the conservative nutjobs an in to exercise their 2A rights, the police are already a compromised institution as far as brutality against minorities is concerned, and there is this middle-ground of independent voters who are so on the fence social equality/inequality, that it may tip them. So it's risk/reward. And that's separate to the fact that I'm fundamentally opposed to looting/rioting.
    *blinks slowly and taps the the "2A Advocacy Has Always Been a Front For White Supremacy" sign*

    It would make not a lick of difference regardless, as we saw with Trayvon Martin.

    The "independent voter" argument can be summed up as follows - "If you want us to respect you as human beings and equal citizens, you must plead your case before us within these parameters we have identified according to our own comfort levels, or else we will have no choice but to further brutalise you." It's nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    *blinks slowly and taps the the "2A Advocacy Has Always Been a Front For White Supremacy" sign*

    It would make not a lick of difference regardless, as we saw with Trayvon Martin.

    The "independent voter" argument can be summed up as follows - "If you want us to respect you as human beings and equal citizens, you must plead your case before us within these parameters we have identified according to our own comfort levels, or else we will have no choice but to further brutalise you." It's nonsense.
    Thing is, man I get it. The 2Aers will do what they're gonna do. The independent voter has been fed fear for so long, it's no surprise they don't know what's what. They're not irredeemable, but they've been in the basement locked up, it's going to take turning. I don't like it anymore than you do.

    But all that said, if I was a business owner in any town or a resident of any town, would I want my shit burning down? No. But like you've said, would I want anyone in my town being brutalised? Fuck no. So I can see the through-line. Don't oppress, and there won't be outbreaks of violence.

    The entire system is irresponsible, but it doesn't make it any more right. It's like Biden said today, 'hate only hides and we can't legitimise it'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    One thing, yes, I can say looting and rioting is taking things to far ... however, I have to remember one of the things that happened in the Revolutionary War was essentially rioting by destroying property. We literally celebrate the Boston Tea Party as something to be proud of, but if something like the Boston Tea Party happened today, people would be calling them all sorts of names.
    This country was founded on the principles of breaking laws and destruction of property to force change. This is as American as apple pie and racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirBeef View Post
    This country was founded on the principles of breaking laws and destruction of property to force change. This is as American as apple pie and racism.
    And killing, don't forget a lot of killing.

    And the South tried it a second time when they felt the institution of slavery was under threat. Unfortunately for them their cause was not so righteous and their ideology not so conducive to nation-building, resulting in their ultimate loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soliloque View Post
    Neither do the tiki torch dudes who were at Charlottesville.
    Relax, I was just responding to a ridiculous comparison with another ridiculous comparison.



    White nationalists are lone wolf retards who have violent outbursts and get shot down and condemned by the world.
    It's exactly because they're "a hurricane" that they haven't been getting any real ground in years.
    Everyone sees the danger and reacts immediately in the strongest way possible.

    Meanwhile Antifa has mastered the notion of "death by a thousand cuts", playing it way smarter. Instead of those violent outbursts they damage... but never too much. Attack... but never too violently, gain ground... but never too far at once.
    They've created a strategy where they can do just as terrible things while avoiding the immediate, visceral reaction that white nationalists suffer.

    Thanks to that and the sometimes oblivious and often conniving presence of media and politicians they've now succesfully started to dismantle police presence in the country.

    You tell me which is more dangerous.



    I already condemned Kyle multiple times. He's no hero to me, but an idiot amongst other idiots.
    Those guys chasing him should've just pointed him to the police and let them handle it. They were also idiots.
    I'm not gonna play sides and make excuses.

    There's bias here, yes, but it's entirely yours.

    And yes, a person who ignores police orders and leans into his car grabbing something unknown is also an idiot providing justified reason for the cop to fear for his life. You DON'T want to do that.
    Every sane person knows that when you're stopped by a cop you want to put your hand visible on the handle, do no sudden gestures, stay and speak calmly and let the whole thing go by procedure.

    Do that and you WILL come out alive, regardless of whatever nonsense about "police hunting black people" might be around.
    I hope you dont encounter police or vigilantes since you seem to think they're idiot exterminators.

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    “I had no choice. I mean, I, I had a choice. I could have sat there and watched them kill a friend of mine of color. But I wasn't going to do that.”
    Interesting choice of words from the guy that shot that Union Patriot guy in Portland

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v...n-self-defense

    Vice has a nice interview about it. What ideology can do to a man

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Interesting choice of words from the guy that shot that Union Patriot guy in Portland

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v...n-self-defense

    Vice has a nice interview about it. What ideology can do to a man
    Says the Trump supporter? Talk about fucking ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    The scope of it is insane. 15-20 deputies are members of the internal gang? They were actively recruiting multiple additional members in a competition where only 2 can join each year, no women or people of color?

    How is the entire department not placed on leave pending a full investigation of criminal behavior and, at best, officers not blowing the whistle earlier? Because it sure seems like much of the department would have to be actively complicit in knowing about and covering up for the gang. Especially considering teh allegation that he gang runs the whole station.
    Oh, it's not an internal gang. It's close to a dozen of them going all the way back to the 70s. The sheriff thinks it would be unconstitutional to prevent his officers from joining neo-nazi gangs, especially the one he ran.

    The department needs a wrecking ball and a truckload of salt to sow with.

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