Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Benggaul]

At this point it is safe to assume anyone in the acab crowd has a criminal record. That where their resentment with police comes from in the first place

I have no criminal record, never been arrested, never even been put in handcuffs, maced or even spoken down to by a cop. Not a single ticket for speeding, parking or otherwise. My utter disdain for police comes from simple observation of how they handle others. Particularly others with different skin tones and/or economic backgrounds.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong? Or are you just going to admit to trolling? Either way, may you live in interesting times, chuckles. You're out of my feed.

[s_bushido]

The hearing was great for the rittenhouse. They won on everything but getting to tell about how Rosenbaum was a pedo. Just shows how awful of a case the prosecution has.

So you're saying the defense had evidence that Rittenhouse knew "how Rosenbaum was a pedo" before he murdered him, but didn't get to present it? That's terrible news. Truly our justice system is broken.

[Benggaul]

Things just got a little more difficult for one murderer:

Minnesota Trial Court Judge Changes His Mind, Says Derek Chauvin Isn’t Poor After All

Basically the murderer Chauvin is appealing his sentence and the judge decided he's going to have to pay filing fees and such which will probably add up. Good. His sentence was far too light anyway. Fuck him.

[Edge-]

So remember how Tim Scott, one of the main Senators behind the police reform bill, has recently been saying that he abandoned the bipartisan negotiations because Democrats were trying to "defund the police" in it?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/28/polit...acp/index.html

"Despite some media reports, at no point did any legislative draft propose 'defunding the police,' " according to a joint statement from the two groups. "In fact, the legislation specifically provided additional funding to assist law enforcement agencies in training, agency accreditation, and data collection initiatives."

Want to know what hippy, liberal, leftist, socialist organizations said this?

The Fraternal Order of Police and the International Association of Police Chiefs.

Yes, the fucking FOP, the agency being sued by a mother who was assaulter by Philly PD and had her child taken away which was caught on camera, and blasted out by the FOP alleging that she was a violent rioter and the child was taken away for its safety. You know, after the mother made a wrong turn and was attempting to turn around to get away from a protest and cops bashed in her window and assaulted her.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...wsuit-1227414/

Even they are calling Tim Scott a bullshit liar.

God fucking damnit, will there ever be a fuckin bottom.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

At this point it is safe to assume anyone in the acab crowd has a criminal record. That where their resentment with police comes from in the first place

Do Speeding tickets count?

[Masark]

Police assault deaf man, tasering him repeatedly.

LASD gang member demonstrates their outstanding competence with a negligent discharge in a courtroom.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Imagine if the default police action wasn't immediate escalation that starts as soon as they open the door of their car...

And then he got to spend a few months in jail supposedly without even getting an interpreter. Awesome.

We glorify the police here, so when you attract fuck boys, you get fuckboys with itchy trigger fingers.

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Police assault deaf man, tasering him repeatedly.

Those officers need to be spending 5+ years in gen pop, and the eight-figure settlement their victim deserves should come from their salaries/pension/personal finances before the PD or city's accounts.

They should be fucking ruined, permanently. Sociopathic abusive shitheads.

LASD gang member demonstrates their outstanding competence with a negligent discharge in a courtroom.

I had a summer job for a few years just after high school, working in tourism, as part of a heritage paramilitary group. I say "paramilitary" because we had live-fire weapons, used black powder daily, and acted as site security as well as a drill performance group (for which we travelled internationally). We were paid for shit; $0.30 more than minimum wage. I say this to emphasize a bunch of stuff; that we were mostly young, that it was a summer job to (mostly) entertain tourists, and that our weapons weren't harmless replicas even if we only carried actual blank-fire cartridges when about to perform a live-fire demo.

If you had a "negligent discharge", you were fucking fired. If you so much as let your unloaded firearm for which you had no cartridges on you even drift so that it accidentally aimed at another staff member in the locker/maintenance rooms, let alone a tourist visiting the site in public, so fired. Immediately. On first offense after the first three weeks of "basic training".

Nobody was fired for this in my time there, and I never heard of it ever happening.

And it fucking enrages me when fucking police officers don't even have the same level of fucking weapons training that we had. The incompetent fucking baboons. How fucking stupid do you have to be?

[PhaelixWW]

And it fucking enrages me when fucking police officers don't even have the same level of fucking weapons training that we had.

They do. They just don't adequate continuing education. If it's been a decade since their training with very little reinforcement of those lessons? Welp, good luck.

[Edge-]

And it fucking enrages me when fucking police officers don't even have the same level of fucking weapons training that we had. The incompetent fucking baboons. How fucking stupid do you have to be?

Remember that FBI agent that dropped his loaded gun on the dance floor while doing a handstand and then accidentally shot a guy in the leg when trying to pick it up?

Irresponsible handling of firearms seems to be as American as apple pie and regime change.

[Biglog]

They do. They just don't adequate continuing education. If it's been a decade since their training with very little reinforcement of those lessons? Welp, good luck.

Most police departments definitely do require a certain number of hours at the gun range every 2 weeks. But that's solo without a trainer.

So there is continuing education. But maybe the problem is a lot of it is focused on offense rather than de-escalation. There have been some minor reforms here and there in select cities. But I definitely have not seen much of the defunding that the GOP spent 2 years fear mongering about. If anything police are better funded and more militarily equipped than ever, and there is no shortage of military surplus equipment going to police now. That's been the issue all-along though, that the police focus needs to be more on peacefully resolving issues and de-escalation training. The police larping as military just feeds an aggressive us v. them mentality like the public are the bad guys. Big metro areas sure, but I'm not sure every small town police department needs a SWAT team and combat APCs.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Most police departments definitely do require a certain number of hours at the gun range every 2 weeks. But that's solo without a trainer.

So there is continuing education. But maybe the problem is a lot of it is focused on offense rather than de-escalation. There have been some minor reforms here and there in select cities. But I definitely have not seen much of the defunding that the GOP spent 2 years fear mongering about. If anything police are better funded and more militarily equipped than ever, and there is no shortage of military surplus equipment going to police now. That's been the issue all-along though, that the police focus needs to be more on peacefully resolving issues and de-escalation training. The police larping as military just feeds an aggressive us v. them mentality like the public are the bad guys. Big metro areas sure, but I'm not sure every small town police department needs a SWAT team and combat APCs.

Or maybe its like those click through internet safety training videos at my old job that you could basically skip, and print off a certificate that you finished and signed.

Are they really getting that training? Its hard to say yes, as you said its not even supervised lol

[PhaelixWW]

Most police departments definitely do require a certain number of hours at the gun range every 2 weeks.

You'll have to provide a source for this.

But that's solo without a trainer.

So there is continuing education.

No, that's continuing personal training, not education. And even if you really wanted to broaden the definition of education to include reinforcing bad habits, it certainly wouldn't qualify as adequate continuing education, which is what I specified.

But maybe the problem is a lot of it is focused on offense rather than de-escalation.

The official training is somewhat focused on de-escalation. It's definitely not focused on offense.

The practical application in the field is where things break down. The habits that are built on the street, the "lessons" passed on by the more senior officers, tend to wear away at that initial training.

There have been some minor reforms here and there in select cities. But I definitely have not seen much of the defunding that the GOP spent 2 years fear mongering about. If anything police are better funded and more militarily equipped than ever, and there is no shortage of military surplus equipment going to police now. That's been the issue all-along though, that the police focus needs to be more on peacefully resolving issues and de-escalation training. The police larping as military just feeds an aggressive us v. them mentality like the public are the bad guys. Big metro areas sure, but I'm not sure every small town police department needs a SWAT team and combat APCs.

This is a fair assessment, though.

[Yadryonych]

Lmao, my experience with cops involves calling them because some guy tried to jack my work van and them proceeding to be incredibly racist. Their reputation never recovered in my eyes.

He tried to steal your car yet he is the victim you insist? That's alright, there is a term for this, the term is "Stockholm Syndrome"

[Edge-]

He tried to steal your car yet he is the victim you insist? That's alright, there is a term for this, the term is "Stockholm Syndrome"

Man, I guess if my surgeon launched into a racist tirade before sewing up my arm I should just shut the fuck up and be thankful I had my arm sewn and not point out that a racist fuck was a piece of shit while in the process of doing their job.

You don't appear to know what that term means, especially considering it's largely a pointless term as it's never been properly diagnosed and added to the DSM.

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He tried to steal your car yet he is the victim you insist? That's alright, there is a term for this, the term is "Stockholm Syndrome"

Or rather a basic level of human empathy and a recognition that committing one wrong does not justify being treated unjustly in return. There's no excuse for bigotry. Bigots are shit-headed, smooth-brained fuckwads, every single one of them, and I don't give a single shit how they choose to pick their victims or how they justify their petty abuses to themselves. That's just the bigotry talking, and the bigots describing how evil and cruel they are as people. Every single time. Without exception. No matter the circumstances.

Even assuming @Josuke meant racism against the thief, and not racism against Josuke.

[Benggaul]

Even assuming @Josuke meant racism against the thief, and not racism against Josuke.

The third option being there was no immediate suspect and they said something racist about a perp they made up in their heads after hearing the story. "Probably some *racial epithet*." 'Cuz I've heard that before.

[Yadryonych]

Or rather a basic level of human empathy

My empathy lies with people who uphold the public order, not with the ones who upset it

[s_bushido]

My empathy lies with people who uphold the public order, not with the ones who upset it

What "public order" do you think is being upheld when a cop automatically assumes that a criminal is [insert demographic] and/or feels comfortable disparaging people like that during the course of their duties?

[uuuhname]

What "public order" do you think is being upheld when a cop automatically assumes that a criminal is [insert demographic] and/or feels comfortable disparaging people like that during the course of their duties?

probably the part that reaffirms (in his mind) certain demographics need to be scrutinized more so than others.