Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Kathandira]

Any leaders of foreign nations interested in reinstating law and order in our country, like we do to others when their government is being oppressive? We could really use a hand here.

[Saltysquidoon]

https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/stat...995610624?s=19

I agree.

What is with this military cosplay? Camouflage does not help at all. Of course this makes cops feed their military fetish.

Further, the whole pint of a uniform is so when you see them you know they are police and that they are empowered by the state to give you orders above and beyond some random.

Camouflage actively works to defeat that end.

[lockedout]

Further, the whole pint of a uniform is so when you see them you know they are police and that they are empowered by the state to give you orders above and beyond some random.

Camouflage actively works to defeat that end.

Where I live most of the police cars are all black with reflective lettering and no more rooftop lights just lights inside the grill and windshield so you can't even tell they are cops.

[cuafpr]

https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/stat...995610624?s=19

I agree.

What is with this military cosplay? Camouflage does not help at all. Of course this makes cops feed their military fetish.

If i recall this trend started as a way to save money buying up old military surplus vs buying new police tactical gear, same with some of the APC's used by police forces. Right or wrong the intent was to save money.

Personally i don't care but I guess being exposed to such uniforms during the best years of my life made not notice the difference. I can see where civvie would prefer to dedicated cop uniforms and I'd fully support them having to have a uniquely police uniforms vs mil surplus.

[Themius]

If i recall this trend started as a way to save money buying up old military surplus vs buying new police tactical gear, same with some of the APC's used by police forces. Right or wrong the intent was to save money.

Personally i don't care but I guess being exposed to such uniforms during the best years of my life made not notice the difference. I can see where civvie would prefer to dedicated cop uniforms and I'd fully support them having to have a uniquely police uniforms vs mil surplus.

Obviously to save money we should just not have a major surplus enough for literally thousands upon thousands of police departments.

[cuafpr]

Obviously to save money we should just not have a major surplus enough for literally thousands upon thousands of police departments.

Lots of the surplus comes from downsizes since the cold war, also all the branches went through a "phase" and developed their own camo, resulting in current unfirorms being dumped onto the market as they were no longer authorized for wear. yes that "phase" was a waste in spending.

[Elegiac]

Where I live most of the police cars are all black with reflective lettering and no more rooftop lights just lights inside the grill and windshield so you can't even tell they are cops.

Yes, and this is a problem because it is representative of the fact the police are not there as approachable public servants but as instruments of collecting fines and harassing citizens.

[Edge-]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9633331.html

The Gestapo are being sent into Chicago now.

[Themius]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9633331.html

The Gestapo are being sent into Chicago now.

Here's an important question.

Can people protect themselves from gestapo.

Being that they are acting counter to the constitution, and we do have 2a rights which are specifically there to allow us to defend ourselves from government tyranny.


Is it an issue if people rally up and just start shooting them? The armed, unknown, non-named people with no identification violating constitutional law?

Especially considering any reasonable person could think they are far right wing racist militias as they look the fucking same

[Elegiac]

Here's an important question.

Can people protect themselves from gestapo.

Being that they are acting counter to the constitution, and we do have 2a rights which are specifically there to allow us to defend ourselves from government tyranny.


Is it an issue if people rally up and just start shooting them? The armed, unknown, non-named people with no identification violating constitutional law?

Especially considering any reasonable person could think they are far right wing racist militias as they look the fucking same

Would a reasonable person assume that an armed individual without any badge or identification attempting to force them into a van was a kidnapping and be entitled to respond accordingly?

Absolutely. And I suspect the desperation of the right has reached a point where they're willing to try and put people in this position in order to provoke exactly this sort of response.

[Themius]

Would a reasonable person assume that an armed individual without any badge or identification attempting to force them into a van was a kidnapping and be entitled to respond accordingly?

Absolutely. And I suspect the desperation of the right has reached a point where they're willing to try and put people in this position in order to provoke exactly this sort of response.

Can we get a NATO response? I want a fucking NATO response. Currently a member of NATO is under attack by rogue actors in its government.

The goal of NATO is:

NATO's essential and enduring purpose is to safeguard the freedom and security of all its members by political and military means.

Our freedoms, and security are under attack. Literally our constitutional rights are being infringed upon by a paramilitary controlled by a few in high places HOW FUCKING COMMUNIST MIND YOU (but we all know they loved the USSR). And citizens are being kidnaped, injured, or killed. By mystery men no one knows who the fuck they are.

This paramilitary also may have relations with domestic terror groups... which is so common among any enforcement in this country.

So in short:

Untrained, mystery, paramilitary gestapo controlled by few top men in government. Are attacking Americans, kidnapping Americans, injuring Americans. And violating the constitution rights of Americans. And may have connections with domestic terror groups.

So we have a secret police... this is the type of thing America sent the CIA in to other countries to solve

This is the type of shit that had America encouraging and orchestrating COUPS in Latin America.

[Endus]

Here's an important question.

Can people protect themselves from gestapo.

Being that they are acting counter to the constitution, and we do have 2a rights which are specifically there to allow us to defend ourselves from government tyranny.


Is it an issue if people rally up and just start shooting them? The armed, unknown, non-named people with no identification violating constitutional law?

Especially considering any reasonable person could think they are far right wing racist militias as they look the fucking same

Anyone trying to shove a citizen into an unmarked van should be treated as a kidnapping. There is no reason to presume these "officers" aren't criminals or gang members in paramilitary LARP gear. Not only should resistance be permitted, it should be legally encouraged, up to and including the use of lethal force against these officers, who would not be justified in use of lethal force in response, as they're the aggressors acting criminally.

No personal identification like a name and badge number? Not an officer of any government institution, and thus just a hostile citizen assaulting you. Camo gear like you could buy at any Army surplus is not evidence of anything and not a reason to assume these are officers of the law in any respect whatsoever; in fact, the use of camo argues that they are not officers of the law, because camo has next to zero use in law enforcement, and I only make the allowance of "next to" for the VERY niche case of a police sniper keeping their position concealed because an armed enemy might spot them and take fire on their position. Which isn't what's happening here.

These are shitheads kidnapping innocent people for no legal justification that has been presented. Resistance isn't just allowed, it should be expected and applauded.

[Mayhem]

Would a reasonable person assume that an armed individual without any badge or identification attempting to force them into a van was a kidnapping and be entitled to respond accordingly?

Absolutely. And I suspect the desperation of the right has reached a point where they're willing to try and put people in this position in order to provoke exactly this sort of response.

Well, right now everyone can witness first hand how the 2nd is actually doing fuck all to protect people from a tyrannical government because the same people that argue they need the 2nd to defend themselves from a tyrannical government are in support of said tyrannical government because law and order or something.

[Elegiac]

Well, right now everyone can witness first hand how the 2nd is actually doing fuck all to protect people from a tyrannical government because the same people that argue they need the 2nd to defend themselves from a tyrannical government are in support of said tyrannical government because law and order or something.

The 2nd Amendment has never protected anyone from tyrannical government and was never intended to.

[Mayhem]

The 2nd Amendment has never protected anyone from tyrannical government and was never intended to.

That's one of their most prominent arguments for keeping it around though.

[Endus]

That's one of their most prominent arguments for keeping it around though.

Which shows how effective anti-American NRA propaganda has been. Nothing more.

[Mayhem]

Which shows how effective anti-American NRA propaganda has been. Nothing more.

I think it's just due to brainwashing done by republican propaganda. Remember how fighting the feds was totally a patriotic thing to do when it was the Bundys doing it and how important the 2nd was back then? None of them can be seen right now, which makes you wonder why.

[Coolthulhu]

https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/stat...995610624?s=19

I agree.

What is with this military cosplay? Camouflage does not help at all. Of course this makes cops feed their military fetish.

Urban camo is a thing and helps in urban contexts (!). And please stop ruining cosplay for me by spouting stuff such as "political cosplay", "military cosplay" and the like. Call it posturing, and leave actual cosplay to people who just want to have fun.

[Paranoid Android]

Urban camo is a thing and helps in urban contexts (!). And please stop ruining cosplay for me by spouting stuff such as "political cosplay", "military cosplay" and the like. Call it posturing, and leave actual cosplay to people who just want to have fun.

The camo they are in is typically jungle camo not urban camo. Plus it's them acting as military not as a police force that is the point.




Idk if you are serious about the cosplay part, but if so take a chill. Idk how you are that triggered by a mere mention. Here I will help you out. The police are playing dress-up to pretend they are in the military. See I didn't say cosplay.

[Elegiac]

Urban camo is a thing and helps in urban contexts (!). And please stop ruining cosplay for me by spouting stuff such as "political cosplay", "military cosplay" and the like. Call it posturing, and leave actual cosplay to people who just want to have fun.

Are y'all seriously complaining more about the term cosplay being used "in vain" rather than like actual gestapo on the streets?

And it helps in urban combat contexts, these are supposed to be police.