Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

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Do you know that you're lying or do you actually believe that bullshit?

Coroner's report said so, also died from cardiac arrest.

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Are you salty he could keep the tips while you had to give them to your boss?

Salty? No not at all.

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Because everyone can be armed and thus can be dangerous ? Plus, he was looking panicked, so he can react in unwanted ways making the police officer point a gun at him.

What should have they done then ? You seem to have a lot of experience in law enforcement, care to enlighten us ?

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Obviously, but he was still a little to fast to point his gun at him. Imo, he did not really assess the situation before pointing his gun.

Watching it again if you look at the time stamp it skips forward about 30-40 seconds then he pulls His gun out.

[Elegiac]

When your suspected of committing a felony and refuse to show your hands you get a gun pointed at you, there are easy ways to avoid this. Don't commit felonies and listen to lawful orders should you get caught committing them.

Philando Castile.

Why are you making excuses for a lynching? Like, seriously - what stake do you have in defending someone being murdered over the course of several minutes on video?

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Philando Castile.

Why are you making excuses for a lynching? Like, seriously - what stake do you have in defending someone being murdered over the course of several minutes on video?

Wait until the cops are acquitted, aren't they seeking pre meditated murder?

[Specialka]

Philando Castile.

Why are you making excuses for a lynching? Like, seriously - what stake do you have in defending someone being murdered over the course of several minutes on video?

Again insufficient training + everybody can get a gun so police officer are far too nervous. But i find the discharge of all charges at the court again the police officer to be quite shocking.

Edit: I did read a bit more and read one of the juror explaining why they acquitted him. It is interesting, and again, the fact that the victim was armed escalated this mess.

[Muzjhath]

1. Did I say that cops were in the right? Oh, but I did not, yet I fully expected an answer like this. So predicatable. Lemme guess, Endus and Edge gonna be the next ones?
2. Police are not nurses.
3. Follow the orders of police, argue afterwards when you get free. Somehow in Europe we don't get the police hate, so go lick your own boot or something.

Police aren't nurses. People who are high but not dangerous to others shouldn't be dealt with by police. But by nurses!

"Fun" fact I just learned! 55 years ago it was the police who were the ambulance service in most of America! And they weren't particullarly good all the time! And had no training!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedo...ulance_Service
An example of defunding the police and funding a specified thing for it!

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Police aren't nurses. People who are high but not dangerous to others shouldn't be dealt with by police. But by nurses!

"Fun" fact I just learned! 55 years ago it was the police who were the ambulance service in most of America! And they weren't particullarly good all the time! And had no training!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedo...ulance_Service
An example of defunding the police and funding a specified thing for it!

George Floyd was under the influence of drugs when he was approached by the cops. He was willing to drive his car under the influence of drugs. He was a danger to others.

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Police aren't nurses. People who are high but not dangerous to others shouldn't be dealt with by police. But by nurses!

"Fun" fact I just learned! 55 years ago it was the police who were the ambulance service in most of America! And they weren't particullarly good all the time! And had no training!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedo...ulance_Service
An example of defunding the police and funding a specified thing for it!

So ambulances should pull over motorists committing traffic violations or when people spend fake money Hugh on metth and dope?

[KevyB]

Wait, there's someone actually defending this drug-addled criminal?

WTF is wrong with your country lmao.

[Kiri]

George Floyd was under the influence of drugs when he was approached by the cops. He was willing to drive his car under the influence of drugs. He was a danger to others.

Let's be real here. The issue is less that DUI isn't dangerous, but rather that the case was mishandled. Most people don't pretend that Floyd was some kind of saint - but that the crime he committed did not warrant his treatment and especially not his death. The Cops should have been trained better, so they could handle the state he was in and they should have helped him when he was dying. Put him in prison for what he did or something. But risking the death of another citizen should be a last resort, not to be used on people who may be a danger to others if they got into their car again.

Well, that and the fact that these sorts of things are only a danger to certain demographics. There's lots of people who are willing to and in fact driving their cars under the influence of drugs but will never run the risk of being treated like that.

[Radio]

Wait, there's someone actually defending this drug-addled criminal?

WTF is wrong with your country lmao.

Defending his right to not get murdered during an arrest.

[DarkAmbient]

I live in Europe so I don't have any emotional investment in events in America beyond that of a casual observer. I saw that leaked bodycam footage and my reaction was that Floyd didn't do himself any favours at all. He wasn't responding to simple requests like "show me your hands", they had to keep asking multiple times and he just wouldn't shut up either. And after they put him in the police car he was complaining about being claustrophobic despite having just been at the wheel of another car. His entire behaviour made him seem uncooperative, shady and unpredictable. The police probably have to deal with people like that all the time, people high as fuck who just won't co-operate or others who just act up for the hell of it. For them it was probably just another drugged up arsehole who couldn't follow simple instructions.

The officer didn't need to pull his gun out right at the start though. American police seem far too eager to shoot people when other strategies could be used.

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I live in Europe so I don't have any emotional investment in events in America beyond that of a casual observer. I saw that leaked bodycam footage and my reaction was that Floyd didn't do himself any favours at all. He wasn't responding to simple requests like "show me your hands", they had to keep asking multiple times and he just wouldn't shut up either. And after they put him in the police car he was complaining about being claustrophobic despite having just been at the wheel of another car. His entire behaviour made him seem uncooperative, shady and unpredictable. The police probably have to deal with people like that all the time, people high as fuck who just won't co-operate or others who just act up for the hell of it. For them it was probably just another drugged up arsehole who couldn't follow simple instructions.

The officer didn't need to pull his gun out right at the start though. American police seem far too eager to shoot people when other strategies could be used.

The video skips like 30 seconds so it looks like he pulls Hus gunnout a lot sooner than he did. Watch the time stamp.

[Specialka]

"You're not allowed to criticize misbehavior unless you worked in that field."

Ok Mr 5-star chef, never dislike food.


And yes, the cop should have asked him again. This isn't a radical idea in other nations with very little police related issues. Why are you so eager to defend the police drawing their guns at someone for a non-violent issue? Why are you defending the police escalating violence?


But hey if you want a proper example in the US of all places:


Took them 14 min to get him out. No guns pointed at the person. Proper procedure. I wonder why they didn't escalate the violence in the first 20 seconds of this video. Could it be that black people are generally seen as more threatening by the Police even if they are just sitting in a car, or standing on the sidewalk?
Oh and the guy in the car does not comply with any of the requests by the police.

They should have but they did not. Obviously, they could have insisted, but in the video you link, you can see the guy is obstructing but do not have "fast" movement and stay calm, where George Floyd was not on both accounts.

And yes, I think police officers see Black people, overall, more threatening than White people. Because there is a larger % of the prison's population that is black. And this is mainly the result of a lot of social issue in the USA.

[Specialka]

Which is why I'm complaining about their actions, yet you have an issue with us complaining about cops?

I am complaining that most of you have no experience in law enforcement, and that you are too easy to judge people from behind your monitor.

At no time do I protect bad behavior from police officer. Bad behavior should be punished. But as far as I can tell, you are no judge and yet act like one.

[downnola]

And yes, I think police officers see Black people, overall, more threatening than White people. Because there is a larger % of the prison's population that is black. And this is mainly the result of a lot of social issue in the USA.

So in other words, they're racist. I agree.

[Felya]

And yes, I think police officers see Black people, overall, more threatening than White people. Because there is a larger % of the prison's population that is black. And this is mainly the result of a lot of social issue in the USA.

What social issue? Systematic racism? Unless you can show some sort of genetic predisposition to crime, based on race, saying cops are racist because of prison population, is a systematic failure of police training. It seems to me, you actually agree, that there is a systematic issue of police being racist, because of misunderstanding the difference between people in prison and those that aren’t.

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And yes, I think police officers see Black people, overall, more threatening than White people. Because there is a larger % of the prison's population that is black. And this is mainly the result of a lot of social issue in the USA.

According to FBI statistics black males between the age of 18-35 comitt over 50% of all violent crimes while being about 6% of the population.
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[Specialka]

What social issue? Systematic racism? Unless you can show some sort of genetic predisposition to crime, based on race, saying cops are racist because of prison population, is a systematic failure of police training. It seems to me, you actually agree, that there is a systematic issue of police being racist, because of misunderstanding the difference between people in prison and those that aren’t.

You are too quick to jump to conclusion and that is why such subjects are not fit to be discussed on an internet forum. But to make it simple, it is not racism are you understand it.

They are not racist because they think Black people are inferior to them or whatever. They know that the % of black ppl in jail is far important than the % of black ppl in the USA population, thus they see most black ppl as a potential felon. I would not call that racism.

[Felya]

So in other words, they're racist. I agree.

lol... Police see black people as more threatening due to more black peoples in jail, resulting in more black people in jail. They literally explained systematic racism...

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You are too quick to jump to conclusion and that is why such subjects are not fit to be discussed on an internet forum. But to make it simple, it is not racism are you understand it.

Too quick? I’m over 40 years old... I’ve been living in this system for over 30 years... this isn’t some new subject.

They are not racist because they think Black people are inferior to them or whatever. They know that the % of black ppl in jail is far important than the % of black ppl in the USA population, thus they see most black ppl as a potential felon. I would not call that racism.

Again... unless you can show that there is a genetic predisposition... what you are saying is an example of systematic racism. If cops didn’t see black people as more of a threat, would there more of them in jail?

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According to FBI statistics black males between the age of 18-35 comitt over 50% of all violent crimes while being about 6% of the population.

Are you sure it’s commit and not arrested? Again, unless you can show a genetic predisposition, you are explaining why the system is racist.

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I am complaining that most of you have no experience in law enforcement, and that you are too easy to judge people from behind your monitor.

You are defending cops being too quick to judge, based on race...

[Specialka]

lol... Police see black people as more threatening due to more black peoples in jail, resulting in more black people in jail. They literally explained systematic racism...

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Too quick? I’m over 40 years old... I’ve been living in this system for over 30 years... this isn’t some new subject.



Again... unless you can show that there is a genetic predisposition... what you are saying is an example of systematic racism. If cops didn’t see black people as more of a threat, would there more of them in jail?

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Are you sure it’s commit and not arrested? Again, unless you can show a genetic predisposition, you are explaining why the system is racist.

Obviously not, but I prefer not to use systematic racism for that, but systemic failure of US social system, which comes from the segregation (where and when there was a lot of racism, I do agree).

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You are defending cops being too quick to judge, based on race...

Because law enforcement is not easy, and clearly, they lack training and experience. And everyone being easily armed is another issue that does not help.

You can even hear the fireman talking about his only concern is that the guy have a gun tucked away in the video previously linked.