Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Themius]

I can send funny videos too, but what exactly are you trying to tell?

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Of corse it wouldn't be and it isn't indeed, because this particular movement does not represent supporters of other monuments in the slightest. The movement's only interest is this particular set exactly

Not a funny video. Just tears apart your argument over these statues being things to uphold history when in fact they were put up to explicitly alter and change history. But keep fucking that chicken I guess

[Belize]

It was literally an example of a bunch of BLM people spamming social media with comments on how one race is superior over the other and how the other should just die or get shot.

Twitter probably deleted the whole thread of comments by now due to hate speech.

It was a literal example. Don't take your "vetted information" obsession to absurd extremes.
Tbh, it's a bit cringe when people try to copy Edge- for brownie points or whatever...

Everyone on social media is definitively who they say they are.

No one has ever impersonated another group in order to bring a bad reputation to said group. No sir.

[Edge-]

Tbh, it's a bit cringe when people try to copy Edge- for brownie points or whatever...

No, we just don't take screencaps from randoms as gospel. You know what the great Abraham Lincoln was once quoted as saying, after all -



And you should treat this as just as valid and credible as every one of the random screencaps of random people posting things that you post or link to.

Or, like any reasonable person you could look for some evidence to back something up rather than just uncritically guzzle down whatever garbage may fit your world view one way or the other.

[Yadryonych]

Not a funny video. Just tears apart your argument over these statues being things to uphold history when in fact they were put up to explicitly alter and change history.

This is a nice progress of yours from denying that statues have anything to do with history to admitting they are there to uphold history, even though an 'altered and changed' one. Such accomplishment even justifies you taking this little detour (or should I say derail) of the thread

[Shalcker]

Upholding history means telling the truth of what happened to the best of our knowledge. Altering it is the opposite.

The statues are truth of the history that happened; just not necessarily history of those depicted by them.

[Edge-]

The statues are truth of the history that happened

What truth does this statue tell?



Who is this? What did he do? When was this put up? Why does it look like something a child made out of clay?

just not necessarily history of those depicted by them.

Wait...so it's not actually history then? It's historical fiction? Now I'm even more confused.

[Elegiac]

What truth does this statue tell?



Who is this? What did he do? When was this put up? Why does it look like something a child made out of clay?

I dunno man I think that pretty accurately captures the spirit of the Confederate States of America and the "Lost Cause".

[Thee ANCOM]

Bullshit. It’s weird that the two defending these statues the most are Russian...

and they're defending what exactly? bits of metal that serve no purpose except to tell the public "whites are still in charge N^%%ers".

[Elegiac]

All history is fiction.

Just like most "official sources" news articles are.

Isn't it convenient that only the things that don't support your positions are fictions, but deleted Twitter threads by "BLM" are truth.

[Edge-]

All history is fiction.

No, it's not. Nihilism isn't as cool as you may think.

Just like most "official sources" news articles are.

We get it, you think 4chan greentext is gospel.

[Elegiac]

Bullshit. It’s weird that the two defending these statues the most are Russian...

And among the two most vehemently denying the existence of systemic racism and a problem of police brutality...in the United States.

[Yadryonych]

Bullshit. It’s weird that the two defending these statues the most are Russian...

Russians know the most about destroying own country starting from statues ending with millions of people, you might have heard something about this from 20th century's history. At this point Russians looking at what's happening in the US is like a guy who's fresh out of rehab seeing another guy buying his first blunt and being like "no buddy you don't really want to go through all this please stop"

[Mayhem]

Perhaps for the same reason that you harp on isolated incidents of police brutality when the vast majority of police do not engage in brutality.

Tell us more about how protesters keep rioters from being prosecuted. You know, because you're comparing apples to fish soup, tell us how they're the same thing.

[Elegiac]

Russians know the most about destroying own country starting from statues ending with millions of people, you might have heard something about this from 20th century's history. At this point Russians looking at what's happening in the US is like a guy who's fresh out of rehab seeing another guy buying his first blunt and being like "no buddy you don't really want to go through all this please stop"

Actually no, it's more like being scolded for jaywalking by a serial arsonist. The United States does not currently have a President for life.

Nor does it provide the contrast you think it does; the fact that De-Stalinisation did not penetrate as deeply into the heartland versus the rest of the Soviet empire is one of the reasons why modern Russia has such a hard time establishing itself civilly relative to its neighbors, because it still has not reckoned with its past and nature.

The same thing applies with the US and the failure of Reconstruction, and how that's coming back to bite it in the ass vis a vis systemic racism.

[Thee ANCOM]

Russians know the most about destroying own country starting from statues ending with millions of people, you might have heard something about this from 20th century's history. At this point Russians looking at what's happening in the US is like a guy who's fresh out of rehab seeing another guy buying his first blunt and being like "no buddy you don't really want to go through all this please stop"

dude no one except hollywood actors go to rehab for marijuna use lol. also why are you defending the czars now?

[Mayhem]

Russians know the most about destroying own country starting from statues ending with millions of people, you might have heard something about this from 20th century's history. At this point Russians looking at what's happening in the US is like a guy who's fresh out of rehab seeing another guy buying his first blunt and being like "no buddy you don't really want to go through all this please stop"

You are run by a dictator that keeps giving himself all the powers he needs to have elections and stay at the top regardless of his elected position. Seriously, get your own country in order before telling others how they are doing everything wrong because you've been there.

[Shalcker]

What truth does this statue tell?



Who is this? What did he do? When was this put up? Why does it look like something a child made out of clay?

It means that someone had left sufficient historical impact that even non-sculptors felt the need to depict them centuries later.

Wait...so it's not actually history then? It's historical fiction? Now I'm even more confused.

The statue being made is history separate from history it depicts.

Just like history of Statue of Liberty is separate from idea of liberty it represents.

[DocSavageFan]

Tell us more about how protesters keep rioters from being prosecuted. You know, because you're comparing apples to fish soup, tell us how they're the same thing.

I wasn't saying they're the same thing...I'm saying that the reasoning for focusing on the "bad apples" in each example is quite similar. I'm sorry you found my post so confusing.

[Elegiac]

I wasn't saying they're the same thing...I'm saying that the reasoning for focusing on the "bad apples" in each example is quite similar. I'm sorry you found my post so confusing.

And you'd be wrong for the simple reason that one is an ad hoc collection of political activists and the other is a permanent civil body with an institutional culture.

One of these things is not like the other.

[Thee ANCOM]

It means that someone had left sufficient historical impact that even non-sculptors felt the need to depict them centuries later.

this belongs in the "art of bad faith arguemnts" thread.