They want to double-dip, I wish they'd stick with one or the other and cut it out entirely with the gametime-tokens making people play to be able to continue playing. The amount of boosters and AH-goblins is insane and to me provides awful gameplay experiences. Then again the monthly sub is probably the only reason everyone's not been completely screwed by Activision yet.
If you knew the candle was fire then the meal was cooked a long time ago.
Rationalize it away and convince yourself otherwise all you need to. You see someone riding around on a cash shop mount, everyone else just rolls their eyes at them. That's just as true in WoW as it is in not-free-to-play games.
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See above.
As opposed to an indie game with just a cash shop? Why is it that one stream of revenue is failure but one is the greatest thing ever? Oh right. One allows you to play some of the game for free while the other doesn't allow you to be a freeloader.
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Which is still dumb. It is dumb to roll your eyes at someone just because they decided to like something enough to buy it. There is no way to tell if the person has the Mythic Jania mount when content was current. With out a boost to buy it. Or anything else that would "lower the prestige". Stop being so judgemental and so arrogant against stuff.
That is a toxic attitude. It doesn't matter the source. Not to mention it is hypocritical because I highly doubt you look down upon those who bought a CE of the game. It is just some arbitrary rule against "cash shop" items when plenty of things are bought with money and ultimately doesn't matter at all to the game. No one uses items for prestige. They use them because they like them. I don't use my Dreadwake mount for the prestige of having a 6-month sub. I use it because I like it.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
Rationalize what away exactly? It seems to me you're just making an issue of nothing.
No, not everyone else. A few grumpy individuals maybe. Personally I smile when I see someone riding a shop mount because clearly it's something that the person is enjoying.
To rationalize (in this context) is to attempt to justify some irrational behaviour or attitude with reasoning that is fundamentally flawed.
If you're going to accuse someone of rationalizing something, maybe it would help if you could outline exactly what it is they're trying to rationalize and why their reasoning is flawed.
Ironically, if we look at what you're doing, it fits the bill of "rationalizing" perfectly. You've expressed an irrational hostile attitude towards the shop and anyone who uses it. And your reasoning seems to be simply that "everyone else" shares your disdain - reasoning that is flawed on two fronts: firstly making an unfounded assumption about what the attitude of everyone else is, and then you're making an appeal to authority fallacy.
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Nice try mate but in FF14 the costs are *significantly* cheaper, a level boost alone costs you 1/3rd of the cost compared to wow, where as wow legit costs you what amounts to a game in value.
Square's cash shop is still scummy, but at least its affordably scummy, instead of making things absoleutley unreasonable.
And, Square does *not* have a Token currency you can buy to earn instant gil, like wow, which encourages even more spending for free virtual money.
Honestly when your paying £50 for a character boost in wow, vs a £17.50 boost in 14, we can clearly tell which one is significantly more lenient.
But prices and that affair aside, it is true the age of subscription mmo's are dying out and frankly wow has almost no reason to be a sub mmo in 2020, infact tbh it hurts it "more" to attach a mandatory sub when so many people have already left, they should, have made the game buy to play, especially if they want to compete with other subscription based mmo's currently doing significantly better (like 14).
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Plenty of spineless and toxic kids spinning out of control in games like Legue of Legends.
My friends used to get death threats (not that it means anything) but it shows what free games can possibly bring to the community.
At the moment, 14 definatley.
Shadowbringers legitimately smashed BFA in terms of quality and gameplay and story narrative.
And the fact its getting its 5.3 finale soon isnt gonna help BFA at all especially with 5.3 also comming with reworks to the origional ARR 1-50 experience to make it more streamlined and flying in ARR to make alt leveling faster.
Honestly, 14 is basically becomming the new top dog in terms of quality for MMO's these days, WoW itself has declined since Cata when they added LFR and bonus rolls, and BFA reached the worst point of that RNG reliant system.
If you want an MMO that basically feels like Wow during Vanillia/TBC/Wrath, then you should try 14.
I have always been against F2P games and I will always be against F2P games.
It hasn't even saved good MMORPG F2P games like Elder Scrolls Online and SW:TOR. Everything is centered around the store even if the games don't offer P2W stuff.
Another example is Black Desert and Path of Exile. F2P games, both have shitty looking item drops because all good looking stuff is in the store, for real money.
And those are THE BEST CASE SCENARIOS, with only cosmetic items (and some xp bonus stuff). The reality is most F2P games are much, much worse.
F2P, no thanks. Not even with an optional sub.
If WoW goes F2P I'll switch to something that has a subscription only model.
If they could do it in a way where the transactions were all cosmetic and didn’t impact gameplay, then yes, I’d be for it. Essentially, just the way transactions are now, but maybe more of them. However, if it turned into having any type of advantage by paying for things, then I’d be against it. P2P games on mobile devices are the destruction of video games IMO, and I’d hate to see WoW take any step in that direction.