Kentucky and NY Primaries Today

[Zan15]

Well the bottom line is if they are putting forth a good faith effort to do as best they can, or not. As far as I can tell, this plan seems to be the product of good people doing their best. It isn't perfect, but based on reports, it seemed to work pretty well. One thing I found when I first looked into it is that the president of the Louisville Chapter of the NAACP was happy with the arrangement, and seemed upbeat about the result. That is a pretty good sign to me.

Obviously 5 would be better, but in the real world resources are limited, and it looks like this worked well enough. Record turnout is a really good result, regardless of who wins.

Bullshit.


With the amount of resources and money we wasted just in the last decade, it could have easly been done.
But we know the more you help people vote, the harder it is for a particular party to stay in office.

[Thekri]

Bullshit.


With the amount of resources and money we wasted just in the last decade, it could have easly been done.
But we know the more you help people vote, the harder it is for a particular party to stay in office.

I get the skepticism, I just really don't see it in this particular case. The one location thing was apparently a locally decided issue, the SecState already made it very clear that is not going to be acceptable again, but allowed it due to the short notice and ongoing pandemic.

So I agree this isn't acceptable forever, but it was a decent attempt given the fact that resources are limited, and the pandemic is new ground for everyone. I am certainly not saying it was perfect, but it was miles better then Georgia, and frankly better then any other state we have seen so far. I wouldn't give them an A grade, but it was a Solid B, and certainly the top of the class right now.

I do agree that we always need to keep insisting on better, but it isn't terrible to acknowledge that good people put hard work into doing the right thing here.

[PACOX]

I get the skepticism, I just really don't see it in this particular case. The one location thing was apparently a locally decided issue, the SecState already made it very clear that is not going to be acceptable again, but allowed it due to the short notice and ongoing pandemic.

So I agree this isn't acceptable forever, but it was a decent attempt given the fact that resources are limited, and the pandemic is new ground for everyone. I am certainly not saying it was perfect, but it was miles better then Georgia, and frankly better then any other state we have seen so far. I wouldn't give them an A grade, but it was a Solid B, and certainly the top of the class right now.

I do agree that we always need to keep insisting on better, but it isn't terrible to acknowledge that good people put hard work into doing the right thing here.

Everything you said is valid, the solution is still unacceptable and I believe a vector for future abuse if people keep saying it is fine.

Saying that it was open all week is not acceptable. Most precincts are open a week or two before election day.

It's size is irrelevant if the people at the front door can only process so many voters at a time.

Location. I don't know Kentucky but I did grow up near a city with a huge convention center Its out of the way for most residents and in a area that doesn't handle day-to-day traffic very well. A drive there easily takes an hour assuming everyone is trying to vote on the same day. Public transportation is no quicker, unreliable, not acceptable in the middle of an active pandemic.

One polling place means a single point of failure. If I'm a disgruntled official who fears my reelection, I only have to worry about one location to disrupt. Maybe I get my buddy to start a road repair project on the main artery near the neighborhood that does not like me. There 30 min trip is now 2 hours. If I was an outside or inside bad actor I now have access to every ballot in the district. If I wanted to mess with the polling machines I only have to worry about one location instead of five or six.

It greatly restricts people with limited mobility and flexibility in their lives who relied on the option of voting down the street. Again in my city the convention center is an hour trip on a good day. Grandma is not going to be able to make that trip easily. Erin with a 60 hour job and three kids at home isn't making that trip. Willy who is not enthusiastic about politics isn't going to make that trip. Know what group will though? Middle aged+ majority demographic Republicans.

Know what GOP strategist see when liberals say 'it not that bad'? The say "Im going to quote them when I suddenly close precincts in favor of larger central location knowing its going to disenfranchise people. When they complain all I need to do is replay the tape." It gives them an way out to say 'We're going to have to close some booths due to CV19. Sorry, it's just to late to process all these mail-in due to the sheer volume and current times. Here's an out of the way mega tent to vote in. Have fun getting there with the city busses running at 25% capacity totally due to the virus."

Changes to voting policies should always make voting easier and more secure. If there's the possibility that it could make things harder then the policy needs to be reconsidered if not rejected.

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Between Georgia and Kentucky I’d say anyone who argues against mail in voting for November is a piece of shit who can go back to paying people not to talk about their tiny penis.

I happened to hear Trump's speech today. No coincidence that he laid out his rallying cry against mail-in and why they aren't necessary.

He is going ingrain into his little cults head, who will then turn around and influence or threaten their reps, that widespread mail-ins are unacceptable in any climate. We know the unapologetic dumb shit that Trump supporting officials and his followers will do in his name.

If anything he is giving himself an 'out' if he loses in November via a record number of mail-ins.

[Zan15]

necessary[/I].

He is going ingrain into his little cults head, who will then turn around and influence or threaten their reps, that widespread mail-ins are unacceptable in any climate. We know the unapologetic dumb shit that Trump supporting officials and his followers will do in his name.

If anything he is giving himself an 'out' if he loses in November via a record number of mail-ins.

Best part is they are having trouble finding any trump's or people trump hired that did not mail in votes....

[beanman12345]

Bowman possibly upsetting fkn Engel. Damn.

[cubby]

I mean, Booker's numbers look real good.

He's about ~10% behind with his home turf of Louisville barely reporting. According to his own exit polls, he's winning Louisville 82-16. If that's anywhere near accurate, it's gonna be his.

Of course, then we'll have to wait to November to see if those McGrath rural counties come out in any way to vote for him.

Interesting - I'm still not seeing results from Louisville...

[Breccia]

Bowman possibly upsetting fkn Engel. Damn.

https://apnews.com/3f5c19d6de0aeb974ee6e01cc1b9909bCawthorn, 24, defeats Trump’s pick in N Carolina GOP primary

A 24-year-old real estate investment CEO won Tuesday’s Republican primary runoff for a western North Carolina congressional seat over President Donald Trump’s endorsed candidate for the nomination.

Madison Cawthorn handily defeated Lynda Bennett to complete an upset for the GOP nomination in the 11th Congressional District. Bennett had received the president’s backing on Twitter and the earlier endorsement of Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, who until recently had held the seat.

Cawthorn, who also supports Trump, won by a roughly 2-to-1 margin while handing a setback for the president, who had recorded a phone message for Bennett’s campaign. Meadows is a former House Freedom Caucus leader who represented the 11th District for more than seven years.

Cawthorn won despite other notable Bennett endorsements — Sen. Ted Cruz among them — and outside support from the political arms of the Freedom Caucus.

I know nothing about either candidate, but whatever Bennett's issue was, being endorsed by Trump wasn't enough to overcome it.

Chris Cooper, a political science professor at Western Carolina University, said Cawthorn had a compelling story and benefited from local Republicans unhappy with details around how Bennett entered the race.

Meadows announced the day before the December filing deadline that he wouldn’t seek reelection. The surprise departure came so late that candidates who had already committed to run for other elected offices were barred from switching.

Some disgruntled GOP activists felt that Meadows concealed his decision from them, while Bennett, a friend of Meadows’ wife, announced her candidacy within a few hours of his announcement.

“The Trump endorsement obviously didn’t play well, and I don’t think that Trump is unpopular in the district,” Cooper said. Rather, he said, the endorsement looked like it was done as a favor to Meadows.

[arandomuser]

the progressive justice democrat takeover
still dosent happen
and im sick of democrats as a whole having to own their crappy behavior
their people like shaun king wont even endorse biden, and post crazy crap on twitter that makes lefties as a whole look bad
they need to just form their own party to lose elections with because the whole narrative is always " are democrats crazy socialists??" when bernie wont even change his party affiliation to democrat and the democratic party as a whole rejects their primaries

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https://apnews.com/3f5c19d6de0aeb974ee6e01cc1b9909bCawthorn, 24, defeats Trump’s pick in N Carolina GOP primary



I know nothing about either candidate, but whatever Bennett's issue was, being endorsed by Trump wasn't enough to overcome it.

2nd trump defeat, trump endorsed another candidate that lost a primary
the defining issue of the campaign? he visited a gay wedding https://www.usnews.com/news/politics...-loses-primary
i almost feel bad him he was sufficiantly corrupt enough to win a trump endorsement but not hateful and religious enough to win over the voters

i wonder if social conservatives are souring on trump after their big supreme court defeat too

[cubby]

Still no results from Kentucky. If this is how their primary goes we're in for a VERY long night on Nov 3 (not digging on Kentucky, just that the mail in ballots will take much longer to count, thereby delaying results). I wouldn't be entirely shocked if it goes to Nov 5.

[Milchshake]

Uh yea.. county clerks have a week to report the results. Some have stated they will wait until June 30th to post their results.

[cubby]

Uh yea.. county clerks have a week to report the results. Some have stated they will wait until June 30th to post their results.

Seriously? If that becomes a nationwide trend...Trump and his co-conspirators will eat this country alive.

[Milchshake]

Seriously? If that becomes a nationwide trend...Trump and his co-conspirators will eat this country alive.

Maybe. But the lesson of 2020 still seems to be "very online people, need to chill out" and not play into Trump's hands. Or play into the hands of CNN/Fox and uncritically repeat "dems libs elections in disarray?!?".

Sorry, but LeBron and his twitter squad spread a lot of bad information. Not helping.
It all started with this bait tweet.

Mail in voting is great, but it's not magical.
Very Online People subscribe to way too much magical thinking.
Even states with established mail in voting, the denser precincts tend to be late in reporting.
They just need that much time to receive ballots mailed on election day.
States just moving to mail in or mass absentee ballots have no experience in processing these surges. So waiting a week to gather and count is probably a good thing.
Maybe they should release daily update? Maybe that encourages law-suits and another Brooks Brothers Riot?


As I hinted at in the OP, people were going to make fools of themselves. Mostly those that are over invested in the Booker-McGrath Wars.

[Zan15]

Still no results from Kentucky. If this is how their primary goes we're in for a VERY long night on Nov 3 (not digging on Kentucky, just that the mail in ballots will take much longer to count, thereby delaying results). I wouldn't be entirely shocked if it goes to Nov 5.

good I won't have to stay up can get the results at 2pm....eventually...

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Maybe. But the lesson of 2020 still seems to be "very online people, need to chill out" and not play into Trump's hands. Or play into the hands of CNN/Fox and uncritically repeat "dems libs elections in disarray?!?".

Sorry, but LeBron and his twitter squad spread a lot of bad information. Not helping.
It all started with this bait tweet.

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wait I am confused there was more than 1 location to vote for 600,000 people?
there was more than 200 actual total sites?


They didn't have hour long lines that forced extension of hours?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/23/polit...ing/index.html

Wasn't two hour long traffic jams even getting into the voting place?
https://www.wlky.com/article/voters-...nter/32952176#


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kentu...b643f5b22e4763


What was the bad info?

How many voters were forced to give up?

[Tech614]

Still no results from Kentucky. If this is how their primary goes we're in for a VERY long night on Nov 3 (not digging on Kentucky, just that the mail in ballots will take much longer to count, thereby delaying results). I wouldn't be entirely shocked if it goes to Nov 5.

Nobody is going to be waiting on KY to call the race anyways, even without heavy gerrymandering(which KY will have) the state will still go to Trump let alone when you factor in how much gerrymandering happens in Jefferson county.

Unless you mean for Mitch but I don't see him losing the state either on a presidential ballot where the trailer park crew is gonna go out in droves for vote a full republican ballot.

[DarkTZeratul]

Nobody is going to be waiting on KY to call the race anyways, even without heavy gerrymandering(which KY will have) the state will still go to Trump let alone when you factor in how much gerrymandering happens in Jefferson county.

Gerrymandering has no impact on presidential elections.

[Tech614]

Gerrymandering has no impact on presidential elections.

It absolutely does, and it's how southern states remain red even as city populations grow.

[Thekri]

How so? Gerrymandering in the traditional sense has no impact on statewide elections. Voter Suppression can, but not Gerrymandering.

Edit:
Here is Arnold explaining how Gerrymandering works.

It is a good video, regardless of your opinions on Arnold. It doesn't work on statewide elections because you can't redraw states. All the state gets to vote in those, so how the districts are drawn is irrelevant.

[cubby]

Nobody is going to be waiting on KY to call the race anyways, even without heavy gerrymandering(which KY will have) the state will still go to Trump let alone when you factor in how much gerrymandering happens in Jefferson county.

Unless you mean for Mitch but I don't see him losing the state either on a presidential ballot where the trailer park crew is gonna go out in droves for vote a full republican ballot.

That's a good point, but Kentucky isn't the only state/county with heavy mail-in balloting. So it's almost guaranteed that one or two battleground states will have delayed reporting, which is fine, but will cause more chaos vis a vis our Dipshit-in-Chief calling the election illegitimate.

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It absolutely does, and it's how southern states remain red even as city populations grow.

But it doesn't affect presidential elections because each state's electoral votes are based on statewide results - not county by county (except Nebraska and Maine). Gerrymandering is certainly awful, and keeps state houses/senates red when they *should* be blue. But zero affect on Presidential elections.

[eschatological]

Yeah, NY-27 had 100k mail in ballots, and they're not gonna be reporting results for probably another couple days.

I can see issues with that in a national election, for sure.

[Draco-Onis]

That's a good point, but Kentucky isn't the only state/county with heavy mail-in balloting. So it's almost guaranteed that one or two battleground states will have delayed reporting, which is fine, but will cause more chaos vis a vis our Dipshit-in-Chief calling the election illegitimate.

He called it illegitimate when he won because he lost the popular vote, with voter suppression the tally won't be in for weeks in swing states and he will be making a mess of the country in the meantime.