Star Wars: John Favreau's Sequel Retcon Rumors [Discussion]

[Ealyssa]

The rumor is ok, but... what's the point ?

No matter how you look at the sequel, it's done. It's over. The Skywalker story is finished, you liking it or not.
Why not just tell a new story instead of rebooting something that nobody will love no matter how good it is (because let's face it, SW fans are retarded as fuck and just can't be happy if it is not their exact headcanon on screen).

Firing everyone story related from the last trilogy is sound, I like Favreau if it's the actual choice. But just buid something new in the universe. Disney don't need to retell this story, tell a new one.
Go to the future, something like the Fel Empire for exemple. Star Wars reeeeeeeeally needs to stop being stuck in the past.

[PaladinSum]

I'd be willing to give Star Wars another try if they strike the sequel trilogy from the record and start over.

I have zero interest in the franchise at this point otherwise.

That's the prime reason to never do anything like this. They shouldn't get a mulligan because this is exactly how they wanted this to turn out.

Not to mention the logistical nightmare doing a trilogy over would be. It's not like there is a script floating around, ready to go. Plus, we don't have Fisher and I'm sure Ford is going to demand even more money than before since he hasn't wanted to be here since Empire.

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Half of this stuff isn't a retcon though...

Luke, that's what you call character development.

No one said Kylo was telling the truth. She's also a nobody the same way Luke was a nobody (and another example of JJ not having an original thought in his head)

Nothing in TLJ contradicts TROS or the other way around about Palpatine.

The end of TLJ showed us that the Resistance would find allies...and much of the galaxy still couldn't be bothered to help until the very end of TROS.

TLJ never said the Holdo maneuver wasn't a one of thing. In fact that's how people have been justifying it since that movie came out.


How in the world does this have anything do with a 'retcon'. Again, story progression.The books were preserved in the TLJ so Rey could study them...

Good thing Snoke didn't want Rey dead before Palpatine couldn't inhabit her body.

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The rumor is ok, but... what's the point ?

No matter how you look at the sequel, it's done. It's over. The Skywalker story is finished, you liking it or not.
Why not just tell a new story instead of rebooting something that nobody will love no matter how good it is (because let's face it, SW fans are retarded as fuck and just can't be happy if it is not their exact headcanon on screen).

Firing everyone story related from the last trilogy is sound, I like Favreau if it's the actual choice. But just buid something new in the universe. Disney don't need to retell this story, tell a new one.
Go to the future, something like the Fel Empire for exemple. Star Wars reeeeeeeeally needs to stop being stuck in the past.

So, I agree with you overall. There's nothing to be done. Rey Palpatine was a stupid idea but it's there. Time to time jump.

I just want to know. Are you also retarded as fuck, as you put it, since you are a fan? Or do you actually like nothing and are a dispassionate person? It's a weird logic to toss around unless you're admitting you don't like the stuff you're talking about.

[PACOX]

1) You're misunderstanding, it's small compared to historical armies. The First Order is the largest contemporary fighting force in the galaxy. The New Republic demilitarized following their victory over the Empire, this is highlighted in the Bloodlines novel. Where are these canon sources you claim to say the FO is undermanned or automated? The conscription of children is choice based on Brendol Hux's philosophy of creating the ultimate soldier, not a necessity a per Kylo Ren's threat to convince Snoke to replace them with a clone army.

2) The First Order was not exclusively operating in the Unknown Regions, Lando even states they were specifically targeting the children of former Rebels for indoctrination.

3) You're confusing a system of governance with a specific administration.

1) So the FO still didn't have a large army then. They did not have the man power to occupy the core worlds which is why they relied on terror, subversion, their advanced armament, and shock tactics. The FO could not maintain its foothold in the state it was in. They're basically a paramilitary group that briefly took over a a state capital building.

2. They had plants in the New Republic too. Still effectively only in the UR as that's why they they only had power and amassed most of their resources.

3. Sloane did not care for all her bosses ways, doesn't mean that she would just ship - which she did not.

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Good thing Snoke didn't want Rey dead before Palpatine couldn't inhabit her body.

Have you've been paying attention to Star Wars?

Palpatine is a Sith. He has two goals in life, power, and preserving that power for the Sith. Everything else was beneath as a threat or tool. Of course, he is going to tell Kylo to kill Rey.

A) He is grooming the next Sith
B) Because he only wants the strongest
C) Because of A&B he also needs one who willing to straight-up murder someone for power


Kylo dies, Kylo is weak so he focuses on Rey. Rey dies, Kylo is stronger and he focuses on Kylo. Simple. He did the same exact thing with Vader and Luke. He only wanted one, there's only room for one. Can't have Kylo and Rey pulling the same crap that Vadar tried (which Kylo essentially tried to do and unless they pull it off which makes a Sith happy that his apprentice pulled off a successful transition of power). There's only room for two Sith, three is a crowd.

The guy tried Vader killed every day just to make sure Vader was worthy of being his #2. Rey only became his Plan B when Kylo went back to Ben and was out of the picture. He very much wanted her dead before then. Possession was Plan C when he no longer has a successor.

[prwraith]

And how old are you?

Again you fail to substantiate any meaningful form of discourse. It's ok though it's about what we've come to expect.

[PaladinSum]

1) So the FO still didn't have a large army then. They did not have the man power to occupy the core worlds which is why they relied on terror, subversion, their advanced armament, and shock tactics. The FO could not maintain its foothold in the state it was in. They're basically a paramilitary group that briefly took over a a state capital building.

2. They had plants in the New Republic too. Still effectively only in the UR as that's why they they only had power and amassed most of their resources.

3. Sloane did not care for all her bosses ways, doesn't mean that she would just ship - which she did not.

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Have you've been paying attention to Star Wars?

Palpatine is a Sith. He has two goals in life, power, and preserving that power for the Sith. Everything else was beneath as a threat or tool. Of course, he is going to tell Kylo to kill Rey.

A) He is grooming the next Sith
B) Because he only wants the strongest
C) Because of A&B he also needs one who willing to straight-up murder someone for power


Kylo dies, Kylo is weak so he focuses on Rey. Rey dies, Kylo is stronger and he focuses on Kylo. Simple. He did the same exact thing with Vader and Luke. He only wanted one, there's only room for one. Can't have Kylo and Rey pulling the same crap that Vadar tried (which Kylo essentially tried to do and unless they pull it off which makes a Sith happy that his apprentice pulled off a successful transition of power). There's only room for two Sith, three is a crowd.

The guy tried Vader killed every day just to make sure Vader was worthy of being his #2. Rey only became his Plan B when Kylo went back to Ben and was out of the picture. He very much wanted her dead before then. Possession was Plan C when he no longer has a successor.

Is that why he preserved the power of the Sith by telling everyone he was coming for that booty?

And, no. If he's as wise and all knowing as the sequel pretends he is, the motherfucker knows she's stronger by virtue of being his blood. Otherwise, there was no reason for Ochi to look for her since who gives a shit about his no power son? But her being a Palpatine is an ass pull as was him being alive. So....

Remember. He's dying and needs an heir. Even though he can clone himself forever and "Nobody's ever really gone"

It's almost like you're making up shit to make this work.

[Kithelle]

It has only been 7 years since Disney acquired Star Wars. Recouping such a big investment in nearly 10 years is still good. The deal was also for half cash half Disney stock. Disney stock was around 50 a share in 2012 and is now, as of today, $119 a share. The deal has more then paid for itself even with some of the lackluster movies. It is not a economic failure.

You do realize Disney is virtually a monopoly now? They've been buying up everything...so you can't even come close to claiming that rise from 2012 is all from obtaining Star Wars.

They've been bombing a lot when it comes to Star Wars...

[Adamas102]

And why is that? Do you think you could have written a better three films?

I'm 100% certain that quite a few people could have written a better set of films than the disjointed mess we got. You'd have to be delusional not to see the problem with having two directors with no unifying vision alternate making movies in a series where each is vying to tell their own story. The number of times both Johnson and Abrams undermine each other's character moments from one movie to the next is staggering and leads to a horrendous lack of continuity throughout the series. Star Wars has always been more flash than substance, but it all culminates to a greater degree in the sequel trilogy. The number of times proponents for episodes 7-9 have to explain away inconsistencies by using their own head canon is a testament to how poorly the films where written.

[Pury]

The best part of the hot mess new trilogy is were constant middle fingers between two directors, this shit was hilarious!

[madrob]

All hail lord Doomcock he was the youtuber who leaked this guy is great you should go check him out

[PACOX]

Is that why he preserved the power of the Sith by telling everyone he was coming for that booty?

And, no. If he's as wise and all knowing as the sequel pretends he is, the motherfucker knows she's stronger by virtue of being his blood. Otherwise, there was no reason for Ochi to look for her since who gives a shit about his no power son? But her being a Palpatine is an ass pull as was him being alive. So....

Remember. He's dying and needs an heir. Even though he can clone himself forever and "Nobody's ever really gone"

It's almost like you're making up shit to make this work.

How does the movie imply he is all knowing? And what makes you suggest that Rey was the stronger one? What in Palpatine's character makes you think he'd let the loose string dangle. The last loose string got him down a shaft (JJ with his 'originality' again).

Who said he was going to clone himself forever? If he could clone himself he wouldn't have been hanging out in his zombified body for 30 years. He was literally ready to kick the bucket until Kylo and Rey didn't go along with his plan.

Just speaking about that movie shows how ridiculous it is...and people say TLJ is the bad one.

[Kithelle]

There is a lot of excitement around the Disney+ shows including the Mandalorian. It is silly to say there is no excitement for the Star Wars universe going forward. It's Star Wars. The notion that there is little excitement just reeks of a projection of a personal disdain for Disney's direction.

And the Mandalorian is basically the opposite of most of the other Disney Wars productions, it doesn't completely shit all over characters and lore like the Disney Trilogy. Favreau cares about making a good product...

[PACOX]

And the Mandalorian is basically the opposite of most of the other Disney Wars productions, it doesn't completely shit all over characters and lore like the Disney Trilogy. Favreau cares about making a good product...

Is Mandalorian good or not? The ST isn't the only SW stuff that Disney has put out. Not even all of the movies...

[Nefastus]

My rule with Star Wars is to ignore the disney sequel. Non canon to me, fanfic at best.

[PaladinSum]

How does the movie imply he is all knowing? And what makes you suggest that Rey was the stronger one? What in Palpatine's character makes you think he'd let the loose string dangle. The last loose string got him down a shaft (JJ with his 'originality' again).

Who said he was going to clone himself forever? If he could clone himself he wouldn't have been hanging out in his zombified body for 30 years. He was literally ready to kick the bucket until Kylo and Rey didn't go along with his plan.

Just speaking about that movie shows how ridiculous it is...and people say TLJ is the bad one.

The entire movie trilogy. Especially TROS where Kylo gushes about her power after ACCIDENTAL force lightning. And he'd let that string dangle for the exact same reason he warned the galaxy against his pending attack. And the same reason he didn't kill Rey or at least throw her down a hole after draining them both.

His vat of snokes says he can. Death is meaningless in this universe. That's why you can die in space station explosion and still be around. Or Starkiller, if you're Phasma.

TLJ is still bad. It just has the benefit TROS is worse now. And the fact you can't handle you like a bad movie is endearing.

[korijenkins]

Well, i am a bit lazy and will simply copy the things i wrote you back in the Obi-Wan Kenobi Thread:
1.
Great, now let's take the gross and turn it into the net, the REALLY important part.
Total domestic for all movies: 2.806.247.432 *0,6 = 1.683.748.459,20 $
Total foreign for all movies: 3.092.357.313 *0,4 = 1.236.942.925,20 $
totals to: 2.920.691.384,40 $

Congratulation, your IP, which you bought for 4 billion dollars, has after 8 years and 5 movies, not recovered the initial investment.
Oh, they managed to cover the cost of most movies (Solo officially bombed and Rise has so far maybe broken even), but as a shareholder i would start asking the important question when these 4 billions will be regained. In another 16-24 years?

2.
The merch so far has abysmal sale rates, and the 'old' merch has the disadvantage (for Disney) that they have to give George Lucas his share.
The latest financial report considering SW Galaxy Edge shows that it is failing to meet expectations. Sure, revenue is up because ticket prices are up, but attendance numbers are stale or falling. But don't take my word, Disney said so themselves in their own report.


Every company compares the profits with the investment. Especially a big one like Disney.
From a purely financial point of view SW has been a bad investment. It has after 8 years and several big projects a maybe 25% ROI-rate. That's about 3% ROI per year.
For the proud sum of 4 billion dollars Disney could have instead made more money by buying other IPs, or creating their own, new IPs.
Look at Frozen, 2 movies, lots of sold merch, no problematic reports about production issues or fan protests, basically for free IP, ... raking in billions.
Marvel, bought for a comparable prize, is still going strong after 11 years and 23 movies, and aside from the Larson-hiccups beloved by fans, selling merch .. further raking in billions and already a net profit.
Even their live readaption/remakes of classic Disney movies shows better numbers.

Star Wars is, as a whole after factoring in all costs of acquisition, production, and advertisement, still a loss.
Did some movies make a profit? TFA and TLJ did at the box office. tRoS so far, not.

3.
While TFA and even TLJ brought in quite a lot of cash in ticket-sales, they failed to sell merchandise. RoS is even worse, barely making more than a billion in tickets.
Please remember that those nice, big-sounding numbers are the gross, from which Disney only gets a percentage. From the 500+ millions domestic Disney gets a whopping 60% on average, so in the ballpark of 300+ millions. The foreign market is even worse, with Disney usually getting 40%, so maybe 200+ million dollars.
Now compare the net takeaway of 500+ million dollars with the 275 million dollar productions cost, and then double the cost to account for marketing.
RoS is having a hard time breaking even, with the slim chance of making a loss at the ticket booths. As of last week (Jannuary 24), RoS is behind Rogue One in box office performance.
TLJ is NOT selling on the DVD/BR market, we can expect RoS to do the same. Merchandise sales, especially for the new characters where Disney does not have to pay George Lucas anything, accross the globe and board are down.
So far Disney has, if you look at the net numbers and not the gros, not re-earned the 4 billions they payed GL.

You're incredibly dumb if you think they haven't recovered their investment. It' takes a staggering level of stupidity to believe that, and you're endowed with it, and flaunt it. Congratulations.

[PACOX]

The entire movie trilogy. Especially TROS where Kylo gushes about her power after ACCIDENTAL force lightning. And he'd let that string dangle for the exact same reason he warned the galaxy against his pending attack. And the same reason he didn't kill Rey or at least throw her down a hole after draining them both.

His vat of snokes says he can. Death is meaningless in this universe. That's why you can die in space station explosion and still be around. Or Starkiller, if you're Phasma.

TLJ is still bad. It just has the benefit TROS is worse now. And the fact you can't handle you like a bad movie is endearing.

No I can acknowledge that something is bad while still enjoying parts of It. Star Wars has always been kind of campy, bad and, ridiculous. That's what makes it Star Wars. If I truly don't like something I'm surely not going spends my time arguing about it on the entertainment

[Pury]

Mauler's critique youtube videos are hundreds times better in terms of quality and effort, than all sequel movies combined.
Just like Terminator has ended on the second movie, Star Wars has ended on episode 6. All other movies are just expensive fanfics made by shitty writers.

[Kithelle]

My rule with Star Wars is to ignore the disney sequel. Non canon to me, fanfic at best.

Well that is because it is, it's Kathleen Kennedy fan fiction like almost everything done by Disney Wars. All of the female main characters are white and brunette just like her (despite them going on about how diversity is important to them) Those characters are loved by everyone without any justification. Especially in the Disney Trilogy all other women are written so horribly.

Phasma was a two time joke
Holdo was pretty incompetent and let almost everyone but the heroes die before she actually did something
Rose was written badly and they basically tried to erase her in RoS
Jannah in a world of blasters and plasma blades they give the black woman a bow and arrows

Everything in the Disney Trilogy was about elevating Rey and not much else

[bloodykiller86]

If true,
Could we be seeing an appropriate sequel to Luke Skywalker's [EP. 4,5, & 6] Era? How will they do this without Carrie? Or we will get a prequel to the prequel and leave 4,5 and 6 alone?


Source: https://www.deseret.com/entertainmen...e-of-skywalker

fuck this.....this is pointless. The skywalker Saga is boring in general. Lets just move on to The Old Republic. Much better with full on jedi and sith battles

[PaladinSum]

No I can acknowledge that something is bad while still enjoying parts of It. Star Wars has always been kind of campy, bad and, ridiculous. That's what makes it Star Wars. If I truly don't like something I'm surely not going spends my time arguing about it on the entertainment

See, people say this shit. But high chance those were the people that said "George Lucas ruined my childhood" and "But the prequels were terrible" that necessitated TFA being boring and safe to not scare you. Meanwhile, you have a panic attack if someone even thinks a negative thing about TLJ.

I like the prequels. They are BAD movies. But I don't go "Well, ALL the movies are bad" because I can actually handle hearing that. If you could handle it, you wouldn't have cried over people calling TLJ bad.