Do you still support Donald Trump?

[szechuan]

The CEO's job is to make money for the company. Literally.

And they lay off people while the CEO gets a huge Bonus.

Nope, and they do not get paid the same as cheap labor from other countries. That being said there is still a delicate balance that must be struck, and expecting companies of today to offer jobs as lucrative as they did 30 years ago, when the market was completely different, is unrealistic.

Again, you can't compete with Cheap Labor Wages.

They do right now. Plenty of factories in America that make the same products that are also in China for example.

And plenty aren't.

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

But my dislike of Donald Trump has been one of the few things in my life that I've been almost completely certain about. No one ever had to tell me that he was a horrible and selfish person. I just have to watch live, unedited clips of the man to get that impression. That's partially what this thread is about; I just don't understand why other people can't see that too, or if they can see it, how they are fine with it.

It follows, then, that I have a much easier time believing when I do hear about some of the other awful things Trump has done, even if I don't see them for myself. I likewise have an easier time believing when I hear that Republicans have done or said short-sighted and selfish things, since the majority of them are perfectly fine with supporting a man like Donald Trump.

I'm well aware that nearly all media, even the more left-leaning ones, are biased and really only it for profit. I'm actually a very anti-corporate person, specifically because I know any corporation, not just those in the media market, care about one thing and one thing only: money. It's why I can't help but roll my eyes at both the right-wingers who wring their hands about the evil "SJW" agenda AND the left-wingers who praise companies for being progressive. Neither group seems to understand that corporations only care about being "woke" in so far as it continues to either make them money, or score PR points that they can eventually cash in for money. Maybe some of the "middle management" types (writers, directors, artists, etc.) are genuinely progressive, but the old white men in business suits sitting at the top who actually control the cash flow? Please.

So yes, I'm quite aware that neither politicians (regardless of their political stance) or media corporations are my friend, and only say the things I want to hear in the hopes of garnering my public or financial support. But that's also a two-way street: I likewise have absolutely no loyalty to any particular politician or corporation, unless they also hold political stances similar to mine, or work towards goals I actually care about. At the moment, that means that I view the Democrats and left-wing in general as being the "lesser of two evils", in that most of their goals align with mine, particularly those involving removing a man like Donald Trump from power. In my mind, it's the difference between necessary evil, and cartoonish, almost Captain Planet-villain levels of corruption.

You said it yourself, hating Donald Trump is obvious because he is obviously bad.

And that's the point. It's easy. It's convenient.

Didn't your parents raise you to beware of convenience?

Now, I'll ask you the same question: Are you prepared to accept the possibility that you are biased? That your blind hatred of the "dominant information sources" has left you unable to see what is staring you in the face? Or made it so that you are far too quick to reject news stories out of hand?

ov korsh.

The difference between you and me is that I didn't build an arguement on either side because they are both quicksand.

Try not to see things as left/right, republican/democrat, black/white

instead try to see it as top/down, poor/rich, degenerate/reciprical.

If you frame your entire world view around hatred for a man you've never met who exists only in your headspace and who might not even be a real person-just an actor or patsy-then it is going to collapse

every

four

years.

As I said at the start of this thread, I admitted that I wasn't a particularly smart or well-informed person. I'm also not a very confident person, and am constantly second guessing myself on pretty much everything. I'm still not even sure if this thread was a good idea.

You have to ask these uncomfortable questions because if you don't you will get outsmarted and played every time. You don't have to be wise, clever, or even very brave. You just need to have a deep understanding of how the world works, of how reality projects itself, and of how information flows and is stored in the brain. You don't need to understand how the storm works you only need to know how to react and how to prepare to react.

Do you ever get the feeling that you are supposed to hate Donald Trump.

Your skepticism should be firing on all cylinders when you hear that and if they aren't then work on that first like you would any other muscle.

I wish you all the best things in life. Don't forget to like and subscribe.

[Blur4stuff]

Judge Trump based on his actions. For example, he ripped off a kids cancer charity and is no longer legally allowed to run a charity at least in New York. He bragged about looking at underage girls in a Teen Miss USA pageant dressing room and bragged about sexually assaulting women.

There's a long list of things you can judge him over without letting emotion factor into the equation. He's an objectively horrible person, bad businessman, and terrible president.

If the reasoning for supporting boils down to abortion/judge appointments, lower taxes, etc... that would have been better accomplished with someone like Kasich. At least with him you wouldn't have had all of the treasonous behavior and incompetence. And, as far as I know, Kasich doesn't grope women against their will.

This is one of the most colossal political fuckups in history. If Kasich had been nominated he would have not only won the EC, but the popular vote too. Republicans very well may have held the house in 2018. They almost certainly would have maintained control of the senate in 2020 and probably the presidency too.

[Rasulis]

Judge Trump based on his actions. For example, he ripped off a kids cancer charity and is no longer legally allowed to run a charity at least in New York. He bragged about looking at underage girls in a Teen Miss USA pageant dressing room and bragged about sexually assaulting women.

There's a long list of things you can judge him over without letting emotion factor into the equation. He's an objectively horrible person, bad businessman, and terrible president.

If the reasoning for supporting boils down to abortion/judge appointments, lower taxes, etc... that would have been better accomplished with someone like Kasich. At least with him you wouldn't have had all of the treasonous behavior and incompetence. And, as far as I know, Kasich doesn't grope women against their will.

This is one of the most colossal political fuckups in history. If Kasich had been nominated he would have not only won the EC, but the popular vote too. Republicans very well may have held the house in 2018. They almost certainly would have maintained control of the senate in 2020 and probably the presidency too.

Put a guy with multiple bankruptcies, including a casino which required a special retard, on the US Presidency seat, and acted surprise when he turned out to be not the right person to have during a major crisis.

[RadasNoir]

If you frame your entire world view around hatred for a man you've never met who exists only in your headspace and who might not even be a real person-just an actor or patsy-then it is going to collapse every four years.

I'm starting to get the feeling that you're the kind of person that might unironically believe in conspiracy theories....

If the reasoning for supporting boils down to abortion/judge appointments, lower taxes, etc... that would have been better accomplished with someone like Kasich. At least with him you wouldn't have had all of the treasonous behavior and incompetence. And, as far as I know, Kasich doesn't grope women against their will.

This is one of the most colossal political fuckups in history. If Kasich had been nominated he would have not only won the EC, but the popular vote too. Republicans very well may have held the house in 2018. They almost certainly would have maintained control of the senate in 2020 and probably the presidency too.

I'd vote for Kasich in a heartbeat, if there was a choice between him or Trump. I may not agree with his politics, but at least he's an actual politician and not a Saturday-morning cartoon villain.

In general, it's a shame some of the more moderate and reasonable Republicans like McCain and (much to my surprise) Romney had to go up against someone as charismatic as Obama for their initial bids for the presidency. It seems like their losses were part of the reason why the Republican felt desperate enough to turn to someone like Trump, instead.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

The most you'll ever hear is "I don't support Trump...but I think the Left is worse".

the entire political spectrum is a disease. left and right are awful.

[Ivanstone]

In general, it's a shame some of the more moderate and reasonable Republicans like McCain and (much to my surprise) Romney had to go up against someone as charismatic as Obama for their initial bids for the presidency. It seems like their losses were part of the reason why the Republican felt desperate enough to turn to someone like Trump, instead.

You do understand that Bush2 started two wars and drove the economy off the cliff? They lost because they're part of the shitty party that does shitty things and only does as well as it does because they pander to racists.

[Felya]

the entire political spectrum is a disease. left and right are awful.

That means everything is a disease... edgy...

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You said it yourself, hating Donald Trump is obvious because he is obviously bad.

And that's the point. It's easy. It's convenient.

Didn't your parents raise you to beware of convenience?

He is obviously bad before even being elected, because he has been in the public eye for damn near 40 years. He didn’t conveniently spring out of nowhere. Is it convenient to ignore Trump’s history, to come to your assertion?

The difference between you and me is that I didn't build an arguement on either side because they are both quicksand.

You come to ignore Trump’s history by chance?

If you frame your entire world view around hatred for a man you've never met who exists only in your headspace and who might not even be a real person-just an actor or patsy-then it is going to collapse

Uhm... Trump is a terrible human being, because of the shit he has done throughout his life. Your ability to go off on randoms on the Internet, in defense of a politician... is... Interesting...

every four years.

This isn’t true... no other president has provided the amount of material Trump has.

You have to ask these uncomfortable questions because if you don't you will get outsmarted and played every time. You don't have to be wise, clever, or even very brave. You just need to have a deep understanding of how the world works, of how reality projects itself, and of how information flows and is stored in the brain. You don't need to understand how the storm works you only need to know how to react and how to prepare to react.

Being a reactionary is not a good thing...

Do you ever get the feeling that you are supposed to hate Donald Trump.

Yes, because of his character. He is a politician... the public’s job is to question, not obey.

Your skepticism should be firing on all cylinders when you hear that and if they aren't then work on that first like you would any other muscle.

It is... A guy who boasts about attending NYC elites dinners as a kid, should be getting less hate for draping him self in the American flag, while ripping off the country for his corporation? I am skeptical of anyone who has issue with questioning government too much......

I wish you all the best things in life. Don't forget to like and subscribe.

Don’t forget to opine random people for questioning an oligarch president, in the name of skepticism. What if it’s not the guy holding the knife sticking out of your back... maybe it’s antifa...

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I'm starting to get the feeling that you're the kind of person that might unironically believe in conspiracy theories...

I never understood the idea of being naive and not questioning authority, in the context of questioning Trump. It’s this bizarre disconnect, where Trump is both, a billionaire oligarch head of state and this rogue rebel from the working class. It’s as if Trump materialized out of thin air in 2015 and his 40 years of ripping off the working class, is completely forgotten. This is a guy who tried to get eminent domain, to take people’s land, so he could build a mall. The guy who claimed that loses resulting from bankruptcy, made himself smart because he didn’t pay any taxes... meaning the working class are the idiots covering his loses... but, shouldn’t be naive to question it... it’s media that makes me hate Trump... not his actions... nope... those shall never be questioned...

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Maybe that’s the democrat problem. The intellectualism is preventing a flat out conspiracy theorist from rising through the ranks. Would a democrats who complains about deep state and phantoms running the country, have similar success to Trump? Would Democrats fall for a president complaining that there is an invisible government force that is causing all of the problems and is setting him up, every time he seems to make a mistake? A candidate who would claim to be perfect, to blame every imperfection on a conspiracy theory plot?

[Cthulhu 2020]

No, these haven't happened yet at such grand scale, but the first steps have been taken, it's all there to see and take notice, and if Biden wins, there will be nothing stopping the far-left radicals from enacting all these.

Of course you may choose to ignore the obvious signs, you may choose to pay attention only to CNN and MSNBC who coat this bullshit in honey or don't talk about it at all, so you don't know what you're getting yourself into. This is the definition of the Blue Pill. But then you may have a surprise come November and Biden wins, and then you will regret not listening.

Yeah, this is all complete BS. Fevered delusions of radical right wingers who have fed your mind conspiracies and then convinced you that "You" were the one who viewed these things happening. Sorry, some article where a single left wing radical calls for gun confiscation does not mean the entire left wants to do such a thing. The lunatics you listen to will make you believe that it's actually happening and in the works, but it really isn't.

Lay off the kool-aid.

[Ghostpanther]

Yeah, this is all complete BS. Fevered delusions of radical right wingers who have fed your mind conspiracies and then convinced you that "You" were the one who viewed these things happening. Sorry, some article where a single left wing radical calls for gun confiscation does not mean the entire left wants to do such a thing. The lunatics you listen to will make you believe that it's actually happening and in the works, but it really isn't.

Lay off the kool-aid.

Well, when the Presidential candidate, endorses said radical and himself states that the AR-15 type weapon should be illegal, period, what other way would you take it other than if it was possible to do, the candidate would push to make them illegal...period. And unless the citizens who own such weapons, turn them in, they become felons once the law takes effect. :P

There are tens of millions of AR-15 and those type of semi-auto weapons in circulation.

[Felya]

Well, when the Presidential candidate, endorses said radical and himself states that the AR-15 type weapon should be illegal, period, what other way would you take it other than if it was possible to do, the candidate would push to make them illegal...period. And unless the citizens who own such weapons, turn them in, they become felons once the law takes effect. :P

There are tens of millions of AR-15 and those type of semi-auto weapons in circulation.

Sami-Automatic weapons were banned for a decade and Biden was one of the writers. Did anyone come to your house and take your guns during that decade? This is why it’s bullshit... we know what Biden would do, because he has done it before. It doesn’t involve the bullshit invented by those you listen to as gospel.

Reagan, the crazy leftist:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...lt_Weapons_Ban

In May 1994, former presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan, wrote to the U.S. House of Representatives in support of banning "semi-automatic assault guns". They cited a 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll that found 77 percent of Americans supported a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of such weapons.

Two choices... Is Reagan a crazy leftist coming for your guns or is someone misrepresenting the truth?

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Yeah, this is all complete BS. Fevered delusions of radical right wingers who have fed your mind conspiracies and then convinced you that "You" were the one who viewed these things happening. Sorry, some article where a single left wing radical calls for gun confiscation does not mean the entire left wants to do such a thing. The lunatics you listen to will make you believe that it's actually happening and in the works, but it really isn't.

The proof is above... You think masks is faux outrage? It’s nothing new... Reagan is now a crazy liberal, because he supported assault rifle ban in 1994. The crazy progressive movement from 26 years ago... I swear to god, Trump can claim tables are crazy liberals, and there will be 33% of the population that demands we stop using tables or it will lead to collapse of society.

[Jester Joe]

You said it yourself, hating Donald Trump is obvious because he is obviously bad.

And that's the point. It's easy. It's convenient.

Didn't your parents raise you to beware of convenience?

Are you also worried when you microwave cold pizza?

Is that too convenient for you?

ov korsh.

The difference between you and me is that I didn't build an arguement on either side because they are both quicksand.

Try not to see things as left/right, republican/democrat, black/white

instead try to see it as top/down, poor/rich, degenerate/reciprical.

The only one I see between you too that is boiling this down to party affiliation is you. No one is complaining about Trump because he's a Republican.
The thread is not "Do you still support Republican Views".

You have to ask these uncomfortable questions because if you don't you will get outsmarted and played every time. You don't have to be wise, clever, or even very brave. You just need to have a deep understanding of how the world works, of how reality projects itself, and of how information flows and is stored in the brain. You don't need to understand how the storm works you only need to know how to react and how to prepare to react.

Do you ever get the feeling that you are supposed to hate Donald Trump.

Your skepticism should be firing on all cylinders when you hear that and if they aren't then work on that first like you would any other muscle.

I wish you all the best things in life. Don't forget to like and subscribe.

These questions are about as uncomfortable as putting on a wet sock.

It's disgusting to feel, and it makes absolutely no sense why you're putting the sock on when you know it's soaking wet.

You're trying to come off with some "holy than thou" argument as your viewpoint, as if it's society making Trump out to be a bad person.
When...it's not.

It's Trump himself. You can literally go right to his twitter and see how much time he spends slandering others and insulting them instead of actually trying to work things through.

[Themius]

Sami-Automatic weapons were banned for a decade and Biden was one of the writers. Did anyone come to your house and take your guns during that decade? This is why it’s bullshit... we know what Biden would do, because he has done it before. It doesn’t involve the bullshit invented by those you listen to as gospel.

Reagan, the crazy leftist:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...lt_Weapons_Ban



Two choices... Is Reagan a crazy leftist coming for your guns or is someone misrepresenting the truth?
.

he will either ignore what you said, or place you on ignore. Like he did with me when he claimed he wasn't racist, so I just quoted him being overtly racist... with no mistake about it. He put me on ignore.

[Adam Jensen]

I'm starting to get the feeling that you're the kind of person that might unironically believe in conspiracy theories....



I'd vote for Kasich in a heartbeat, if there was a choice between him or Trump. I may not agree with his politics, but at least he's an actual politician and not a Saturday-morning cartoon villain.

In general, it's a shame some of the more moderate and reasonable Republicans like McCain and (much to my surprise) Romney had to go up against someone as charismatic as Obama for their initial bids for the presidency. It seems like their losses were part of the reason why the Republican felt desperate enough to turn to someone like Trump, instead.

I remember the end of the GOP primary. I was heavily disappointed when Kasich left. I might not like the guy politically, but I don't think I'd be so ashamed to call him my Commander in Chief as I am with Trump.

I was USAF Reserves. New civilian job meant I had to go inactive a while. Now I could go back, but how can I be an effective NCO if I have zero respect for the current CinC?

Kasich would not be a president I agreed with, but I think he'd at least hold the office in a way I could respect. Hell had GWB not invaded the middle east, I could say the same of him.

[Breccia]

I was heavily disappointed when Kasich left

We all were.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Wait wait wait. Is it 2016 and we’re still having an American discussion about the potty police? I mean, I realize where I’m posting, but let’s not even entertain that this an issue anymore because it isn’t.

Subsequent rulings after Bostock are going to bury bathroom regulation.

And it’s a silly issue to discuss. Time and energy are best spent doing quality work helping and advocating on behalf of LGBTQ homeless folks and pushing for better medical care for the community.

It is hilarious that this was even brought up as a legit concern, though.

[JohnBrown1917]

We all were.

Aside from those who dislike all far right nutjobs.

[Breccia]

Aside from those who dislike all far right nutjobs.

See, that's the thing: I don't think Kasich was really far right.

[Draco-Onis]

See, that's the thing: I don't think Kasich was really far right.

If either Huntsman or Kasich had won the primaries, I would have voted for them over Hillary.

[Themius]

If either Huntsman or Kasich had won the primaries, I would have voted for them over Hillary.

What were their platforms.