Massive Classic changes and no reaction from players

[Pohut]

Is the interest level so low for classic that fundamental changes to the game don't even get comments anymore?

Alterac Valley Updates

This patch includes many bugfixes for issues found in the 1.12 version of World of Warcraft. These were issues that were clearly unintended by the design of the time, and are now fixed:

Terrain exploits
You can no longer climb the waterfall and enter the Frostwolf base near the Relief Hut.
You can no longer climb the cliff and enter Dun Baldar near the Aid Station.
You can no longer bypass Icewing Bunker.
Reputation inconsistencies between Alliance and Horde
Alliance now always receive Reputation and Honor for defeating Captain Galvangar, regardless of whether Captain Balinda Stonehearth is alive.
Developers’ notes: This now correctly mirrors the Horde behavior, which grants them Reputation and Honor for defeating Captain Balinda Stonehearth, regardless of Galvangar’s status.
Alliance Druids can no longer have their actions disrupted by talking to them.
Developers’ notes: This now correctly mirrors the behavior of the Horde Elementalists, who were already just as steadfast in executing their intended actions.
Exploits for defeating the enemy general.
The Horde War Masters can no longer be kited far enough to allow General Drek’thar to be engaged and defeated alone.
The Alliance Prospector can no longer be tricked into pulling General Vandar Stormpike out of the bunker so that he can be defeated alone.
Developers’ notes: As always, our intention is to accurately represent the 1.12 design intent of the game, and these bugs are clear examples of behaviors that were never intended.

[iamthedevil]

Developers’ notes: As always, our intention is to accurately represent the 1.12 design intent of the game, and these bugs are clear examples of behaviors that were never intended.

It may have taken 15 years but they fixed the exploits.

[arkanon]

Developers’ notes: As always, our intention is to accurately represent the 1.12 design intent of the game, and these bugs are clear examples of behaviors that were never intended.

Yes, changes. That's what OP said........

[iamthedevil]

Yes, changes. That's what OP said........

accurately represent the 1.12 design intent

They pointed out intent.

[arkanon]

Is the interest level so low for classic that fundamental changes to the game don't even get comments anymore?

Blizzard cracked the code early on - label all their changes as fixes, and the fanbois gobble that shit up without question.

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accurately represent the 1.12 design intent

Changes. They are changes. You know that, right?

[Pohut]

Developers’ notes: As always, our intention is to accurately represent the 1.12 design intent of the game, and these bugs are clear examples of behaviors that were never intended.

It may have taken 15 years but they fixed the exploits.

One of the main reasons people wanted to play Classic was to experience the original AV. That didn't last long.

[Kralljin]

Look, these changes would have been a hot topic if Blizzard had made them 7 months ago, when AV was all the rage to rank up.

Now, this accomplishes virtually nothing, Alliance 9 out 10 times accepts their loss while Horde treats AV queue pop as the "rare candy" of ranking.
Alliance apathy towards actually playing AV has reached a point where someone can just straight ride for Dun Baldar, tap a Bunker and only 1-2 people at best will show up to defend it.

It's hilarious to watch North / South Bunker burn at 10 minute mark already.
The fix won't change that, all it does it making it slightly more difficult for non stealth classes to reach the Bunkers, which isn't even that relevant unless you already have people defending Dun Baldar, which one does because Alliance as a whole doesn't exactly play AV seriously at this point.

[arkanon]

One of the main reasons people wanted to play Classic was to experience the original AV. That didn't last long.

They thought they did, but they didn't. #ItsAFixNotAChange #NoChanges

[Ringthane]

One of the main reasons people wanted to play Classic was to experience the original AV. That didn't last long.

But the only things you're complaining about are cheats and bugs that were never meant to be part of AV. You're not mad that they changed something in AV. You're mad that you can't exploit it this time around.

[arkanon]

The fix won't change that

"The change won't fix that" is what you mean.

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But the only things you're complaining about are cheats and bugs that were never meant to be part of AV. You're not mad that they changed something in AV. You're mad that you can't exploit it this time around.

I believe the topic is talking about the fact that early on, the most tiny of perceived change caused absolute outrage on this forum. Now much larger changes go completely unnoticed.

[RoKPaNda]

One of the main reasons people wanted to play Classic was to experience the original AV. That didn't last long.

The community killed "the original AV" - not Blizzard.

[Kralljin]

"The change won't fix that" is what you mean.

I'm not really up for word games right now, but Blizzard considers these exploits, hence calling it a "fix" rather than "change" is legit.

If you want to get hung up over it, go on, but i personally have made my peace with AV already not living up to my expectations, based on that Blizzard chose 1.12 AV.
At least we get to see Ice lord & Wing Commanders in action from time to time, but that's it.

That aside, the only thing that needs to be "fixed" in that regard is the Alliance mindset.
It's hilarious to watch Alliance get all hung up over the starting cave location, when in reality they just play plain worse than Horde does.

If you get pushed back right in front of your GY (In that case, Stonehearth) you're being outplayed the enemy, plain and simple.
I haven't forgotten the days of Late Vanilla / TBC / Wotlk where Alliance boasted a 80% winrate in AV, while all that Blizzard did was to mock Horde via quest texts.

[Finear]

maybe people finally realised that #nochanges was dumb af?

all it took was just playing the game as it was instead of living off biased memories lol

[iamthedevil]

Blizzard cracked the code early on - label all their changes as fixes, and the fanbois gobble that shit up without question.

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Changes. They are changes. You know that, right?

Pointing out that they don't see this as change, thanks for the input.

Anyways, exploits cause people to be pissed off and then those people complain and quit which leads to Blizzard losing customers. If someone found found a dupe bug, would you be pissed that they fixed it?

[NMX-]

nobody should really care about these changes

[iamthedevil]

One of the main reasons people wanted to play Classic was to experience the original AV. That didn't last long.

Most people don't exploit.

[arkanon]

maybe people finally realised that #nochanges was dumb af?

all it took was just playing the game as it was instead of living off biased memories lol

This is probably pretty accurate, few people probably a bit embarrassed about their staunch #NoChanges stance pre release.

[Daedius]

You'd be an idiot if you honestly thought bugs and exploits wouldn't be fixed...

[arkanon]

nobody should really care about these changes

What about the #NoChanges crowd?

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You'd be an idiot if you honestly thought bugs and exploits wouldn't be fixed...

Changes. They are making changes. But like I said, the easily influenced will call them "fixes".

[Kralljin]

maybe people finally realised that #nochanges was dumb af?

all it took was just playing the game as it was instead of living off biased memories lol

Look back a few weeks, the new Instance cap caused some uproar within the community, same goes for Layering looking back a few months.

Here's the thing: Barely anyone gives a shit about AV anymore at this point.
The PvE'er got Exalted on their main, dedicated PvP'ers are done ranking (or given up on it) and the only people still left are Alts needing AV exalted, those that are still ranking (which aren't that many at this point) and some who still haven't understood the honor system.

And as said above, these don't even change the AV Meta, if these had happened when these exploits were part of the Meta strats for both faction, this would have caused a massive shitstorm.
If Blizzard had actually undertaken steps which actually impact the AV Meta, this would be a very different story most likely.

Most people don't speak out against this, nor in favor, they just don't care - because they no longer care about AV.
Change (or fix) something people care about and you'll have a similiar shitstorm at your heel again.