SPOILERS: Shadowlands Lore Thread

[Rhlor]

dang can't wait for a Draenei counterpart of Liadrin to debut in WoW

remember yrell

[Nerovar]

She never meets him as the Lich King and Highlord Crispy Bolvar acts heroic and kind like her father. Why would she be creeped out by him?

It's always been bad writing that humans in the Warcraftverse go fucking nuts if someone they love changes their appearance. The Zellig storyline is horrible in this aspect.

Because turning undead is just a slight change of appearance. It's basically like dying your hair.

Funnily enough, this reminds me of the newest Warcraft novel where a Forsaken cradles a baby. Not like showing a Zombie to a baby would scar the kid for live.

[Maljinwo]

Because turning undead is just a slight change of appearance. It's basically like dying your hair.

Funnily enough, this reminds me of the newest Warcraft novel where a Forsaken cradles a baby. Not like showing a Zombie to a baby would scar the kid for live.

Hopefully the baby didn't develop the sense of smell either

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

She never meets him as the Lich King and Highlord Crispy Bolvar acts heroic and kind like her father. Why would she be creeped out by him?

It's always been bad writing that humans in the Warcraftverse go fucking nuts if someone they love changes their appearance. The Zellig storyline is horrible in this aspect.

I don't think turning into a horrible zombie is at all the same as "changing their appearance".

[Aucald]

She had Cyrus acting kind and heroic like her father. The guy practically raised her and taught her everything she knows, and gifted her, her precious animal companion.

Why would she suddenly care for Bolvar?

You could do some interesting soul searching for her characters as she wonders about her feeling towards her father. Just because they're same blood that doesn't mean she should love him.

Bolvar is Taelia's father, of course she'd care about him. This by no means diminishes what she feels about Cyrus, the guardian and father-figure who largely raised her. Not to mention that Bolvar is a storied hero among her people. Her desire to seek and reconnect with her father is the same motivation that adopted children have to seek out their birth parents.

[Villager720]

I kinda hope we see the lands that Orc and Tauren Ancestors go too like the Timeless Isles or something. Gul'dan can be the main villain of the zone.

I am fairly confident that MU Gul’dan would be in the Maw, and AU Gul’dan might have been more demon than orc when he died and could be floating around the Twisting Nether atm.

Either way, neither version would be in happy orc land.

[Aucald]

I am fairly confident that MU Gul’dan would be in the Maw, and AU Gul’dan might have been more demon than orc when he died and could be floating around the Twisting Nether atm.

Either way, neither version would be in happy orc land.

Gul'dan, either MU and AU, definitely fulfills the criteria of being "a threat to the Shadowlands" to qualify for placement in the Maw.

[tommyhil622]

Eh, prior to the Chronicle the power of the Old Gods was a lot more nebulous than it is now. Before that, the Old Gods were so powerful and had engineered such a stranglehold upon Azeroth that the Titans couldn't kill them without killing their host-world in the process, and in the War of the Ancients trilogy Krasus implied that if the Old Gods were to be freed from their prisons that Sargeras himself would quail in terror of their power. But in Chronicle Vol. 1 we discover that while the Old Gods had indeed managed to insinuate themselves deep enough into Azeroth to make their removal a burden, their relative power level was nothing next to a Titan, with Aman'thul reaching down bodily to pluck the bulk of Y'Shaarj from the surface of Azeroth the same way you or I might pick up a largish insect from the ground. Needless to say, the Old Gods were rendered far less of a threat than Krasus implied they would be - and Sargeras would have no issue contending with them if he didn't care about Azeroth's potential well-being.

Even back then didn't make much sense, the Old gods were stated to always fight each other for dominance. It was mentioned in the lore section of the original lore index and website. Also the titans power and Sargeras was increased later on furthering the chasm between the old gods and the titans. When chronicles introduced Sargeras "soloing" the pantheon, made even less sense for a collective of old gods be even a threat to a titan little alone the one that killed them all.

[Aucald]

Even back then didn't make much sense, the Old gods were stated to always fight each other for dominance. It was mentioned in the lore section of the original lore index and website. Also the titans power and Sargeras was increased later on furthering the chasm between the old gods and the titans. When chronicles introduced Sargeras "soloing" the pantheon, made even less sense for a collective of old gods be even a threat to a titan little alone the one that killed them all.

In the pre-Chronicle lore the fighting between the Old Gods was more or less cast as them basically having fun with the enslaved Elemental Lords, lording over Azeroth from their citadels until the Pantheon and their Titanforged came to Azeroth to clean house. Originally the Titans weren't planet-sized celestials, either; they were described as metallic giants whose mastery of magic and intrinsic power made them a force to be reckoned with. Some of the lore in Cata and MoP began to change this portrayal, with Chronicle Vol. 1 serving as the capstone that codified the power of the Titans and the nature of the Old Gods (buffing the Titans considerably lore-wise while conversely diminishing the Old Gods).

[Garymorilix]

Why are people so hung up on the fact that Bwonsamdi became a loa?

That does not mean he was a troll when he was not one. He easily could have taken the form of trolls after they started worshipping him.

In Shadow's Rising his appearance is mentioned many times and the writer refers to his "skull" as a skull shaped mask not as his actual skull.

[LemonDemonGirl]

Why are people so hung up on the fact that Bwonsamdi became a loa?

That does not mean he was a troll when he was not one. He easily could have taken the form of trolls after they started worshipping him.

In Shadow's Rising his appearance is mentioned many times and the writer refers to his "skull" as a skull shaped mask not as his actual skull.

Nah, it's clearly his face, unless he's wearing a mask like in that one movie where a guy puts one on and it changes his face lol

You can see his eyebrow ridges move a bit while he talks

[Villager720]

To be fair, the Old Gods getting loose on Azeroth would have frightened Sargeras just not from a 'physical threat to his body' sense.
It'd have been more of a "oh shit Void Titan I can't stop sense" as well as then probably necessitating that he murder his fetus-titan crush.

[tommyhil622]

In the pre-Chronicle lore the fighting between the Old Gods was more or less cast as them basically having fun with the enslaved Elemental Lords, lording over Azeroth from their citadels until the Pantheon and their Titanforged came to Azeroth to clean house. Originally the Titans weren't planet-sized celestials, either; they were described as metallic giants whose mastery of magic and intrinsic power made them a force to be reckoned with. Some of the lore in Cata and MoP began to change this portrayal, with Chronicle Vol. 1 serving as the capstone that codified the power of the Titans and the nature of the Old Gods (buffing the Titans considerably lore-wise while conversely diminishing the Old Gods).

Yea when i meant about them getting stronger was also included in the fact they are now planet sized. At least they were until Sargeras killed them. But yes we are in the same page.

[Aucald]

Yea when i meant about them getting stronger was also included in the fact they are now planet sized. At least they were until Sargeras killed them. But yes we are in the same page.

The size of the Titans is still something that is apparently in contention in the lore - leaving it open as to whether or not they could grow/shrink at will, or use avatars. They were apparently (in Chronicle Vol. 1) unable to contend directly with the Old Gods for fear of harming the Azeroth World-Soul, as they did when destroying Y'Shaarj. Yet when we actually encounter them in Antorus they are simply giants, although this could be due to their diminishing due to being killed by Sargeras. Then you have Sargeras, who appears in the Legion closing cutscene as a planet-sized creature, but then assumes a giant-sized form when he is pulled into the Seat of the Pantheon by his peers.

[Garymorilix]

Nah, it's clearly his face, unless he's wearing a mask like in that one movie where a guy puts one on and it changes his face lol

You can see his eyebrow ridges move a bit while he talks

I have actually read the book.

I don't have to prove anything to you, I won't read it again for you, search it up or something.
I don't know why you are trying to argue something that is written in a canon piece of fiction.

Animation like that is done to give emotion to a character's face that otherwise wouldn't be able to emote.
Like the original spiderman mask.

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Nah, it's clearly his face, unless he's wearing a mask like in that one movie where a guy puts one on and it changes his face lol

You can see his eyebrow ridges move a bit while he talks

I did it anyways.
Here it is:

"A bony, skull-shaped growth covered most of his face, though his permanently smug smile remained unfettered."
"He floated closer, and Talanji could see him batting his lashes like a fool behind his skull-like brow."
"Bwonsamdi grinned, a twinkle in his eyes behind the mask-like bone around his orbits."

And this is only from the first time he shows up in the book. I cannot be bothered to look up the rest of the times his face is mentioned.

Point stands, it's not his skull. Case closed.

[Varodoc]

The titans were always planet-sized by the way. This is what Sargeras looked like in the WoW RPG:



As shown in the picture he was a massive being, able to shatter entire worlds with ease. If I'm not mistaken, it was even said that hundreds of dragons combined would only match a fraction of his power.

[Aucald]

The titans were always planet-sized by the way. This is what Sargeras looked like in the WoW RPG:

https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/wowpe...c/Sargeras.JPG

As shown in the picture he was a massive being, able to shatter entire worlds with ease. If I'm not mistaken, it was even said that hundreds of dragons combined would only match a fraction of his power.

That's not really planet-sized, as you can note the size of the dragons or drakes flying near him, while they're dwarfed by his size they're not motes by comparison either. The Titans were massive pre-Chronicle, but not world-sized. Depictions of Sargeras are pretty much all over the place as concerns scale, although some of them may be his avatar and some may not be.





Note his size both pre and post-corruption compared to the things he's fighting.

[TheFirstOnes]

I have an idea...

Maybe...the Titans can change their size, yet their power remains the same.

[Skytotem]

Titans being planet sized is silly but not an issue related to the beta :P

[Varodoc]

That's not really planet-sized, as you can note the size of the dragons or drakes flying near him, while they're dwarfed by his size they're not motes by comparison either. The Titans were massive pre-Chronicle, but not world-sized. Depictions of Sargeras are pretty much all over the place as concerns scale, although some of them may be his avatar and some may not be.

Note his size both pre and post-corruption compared to the things he's fighting.

The dragon size is meaningless when Sargeras is literally stabbing the planet surface ala Silithus. Sargeras can simply manipulate his size. If people like Archimonde and Kil'jaeden can do it, there's no reason why Sargeras, the one who empowered them, can't. That's why in some artworks he is depicted as a planet-sized being, while in others he is smaller.