There may be existential threats from the Void manifesting in the material realm, but it's unlikely it's a Void Titan. If this were the case, the Legion would have likely discovered it during its crusade, and Sargeras would have dropped everything and destroyed it before it could develop into a threat.
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The problem is that it's the only way that Kel'thuzad actually works in the story. He was never a self-motivated villain, he wanted to study necromancy to aid in future wars against the Orcs and save his people; however, he was forced into service by Ner'zhul, and is likely in a similar predicament with Zovaal.
Sylvanas didn't even win the popular vote, she was elected by an indirect election of representatives. #NotMyWarchief
Kel'thuzad has a history with Sylvanas that the Valkyr do not.
Her home was destroyed and desecrated to bring about his rebirth.
He was lieutenant of the forces which she was forced to serve under.
When she was close to having her revenge against a weakening Arthas, Kel'thuzad stopped her and made it so she would never have another chance.
Kel'thuzad is either tangentially or directly responsible for a lot of Sylvanas' anguish.
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Yes, in the Taliesin and Evitel interview with Danuser (40:00~), he specifically notes that the Shadowlands is only for mortal races, but races like Titans and Demons go somewhere else (i.e.: Danuser tells you to project what happens when a demon dies onto the other "magical" races).
Sylvanas didn't even win the popular vote, she was elected by an indirect election of representatives. #NotMyWarchief
So I've been thinking about how KT managed to avoid Revendreth and go to Maldraxxus and it made me remember this Sinstone from the beta that was cut:
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Lord_Valthalak_(sinstone)
I feel like this cut this to give the idea of "altering your soul to change destinations" to KT instead.Lord Valthalak
Warlock and necromancer of renown, Lord Valthalak broke with typical draconid traditions, unwittingly altering his soul in such a way that it was primed for redemption in Revendreth.
His knowledge of the veil and manipulation of the dead would be of value to any number of realms should he be wise enough to overcome the burdens his soul brought with him.
I'm aware, but she hates Arthas not because of the sunwell, but because of her state of undeath that he layed upon her.
She hated Arthas above all else, and the Valkyr were his own. Again i don't see the big deal here. It's not like he and Slyvannas are going to lunch dates...
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LOL! that's hilarious
Yeah, I'm ok with Jailer's design (and motives, even though they seem to be some basic "I'm evil, C O N S O O M" stuff), but honestly every second cinematic/cutscene shows him explaining his plans. We're seeing him way too much, a threatening presence would have been a lot more impressive. Someone this threatening, old and powerful shouldn't need to drag his plan all around our faces every time he sees something. "Interesting! This guy uses light power and is powerful, let's make him our weapon, bla, bla, bla" was a complete waste of time and useless information for him to give anyone. He should have done what he wanted to do, just for us (PC) to discover that when it's too late, or by chance.
Even despite his basic motives, he could have been a great villain. But no, basic-level villain telling everyone about his plans, so we'll hear about them and will be able to stop them. Now I'm expecting the Jailer to show Sylvanas his weakness, in front of someone we'll rescue later on, that'll be cherry on the cake for this "stupid villain" travesty.
Agreed, hell, it'd make more sense too, in the cutscene he was still locked up, so why he's wandering around. If he didn't physically appear at all and didn't say anything, his main presence in terms of gameplay effect on the player would be the Maw Eye of the Jailer effect, so you'd get the impression of someone who can passively kill you when he gets a handle on where you are. This, plus the allusions to him by NPCs all sell this big bad dude, but he ruins the effect.
Disagreed on the visual design though, being just a guy kills it and kind of runs into the other problem he has. The game can't decide if he's meant to be a humanized baddie or a larger than life figure and being Warcraft it can't do both and do them well, see Kil'jaeden. If the former, the family drama and human appearance are relevant for selling him as someone capable of emoting, but then why the overwrought villain speak? If the latter, nothing kills the unknowable god of death angle harder than a mundane appearance spewing mundane lines.
Like objectively, he isn't actually around all that much - he only appears in the intro, in Maw textboxes and two 15-sec mini cutscenes. That it feels like he's everywhere is both good, in that it sells his presence and very bad, because the hype written around him is more interesting than the guy himself, and being reminded every day of how generic he is when we run dailies fucks up the effect.
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Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
How cool would that be if the Jailer was some faceless hooded figure. Having a normal face
does take away from the spookiness.
There's a very good chance Sylvanas doesn't even know KT even is in the Shadowlands. Sylvanas knows who Kelthuzad is as he's the one who saved Arthas from the assassination attempt with the banshee trap.
The Sylvanas face turn was always going to happen, anyone who thought she was ending the expansion as a heel was naive and stuck in the WOD storyline and the Jailer recruiting KT is probably to start of the face turn.