Patreon to go bust?

[Edge-]

Or the fact it'll now cost Patreon a lot of money after fucking over artists. Like i said that's what they get for being the morality police. Fucking puritans.

Yeah, fuck those guys for not wanting Nazi's on their platform. They totally deserve financial ruin for kicking them off.

Is this seriously your position?

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Couldn't have happened to a nicer company. Hope they go under as a lesson for the rest of Silicon giants who love to play games and walk all over their customers.

Yeah, think of the Nazi's using the platform. They deserve equal access!

Is a strange argument to make.

[Endus]

Or the fact it'll now cost Patreon a lot of money after fucking over artists. Like i said that's what they get for being the morality police. Fucking puritans.

As long as Patreon is paying out money they took in on that artist's behalf, or at least returned it to the original donator's accounts, then the artists aren't being "fucked over". Patreon is deciding not to have a business relationship with them. That's it. Patreon should have that authority over its own clientele. If you're an artist who's got an agent, that agent can drop you at literally any time, unless you've signed a particular contract that specifies an exact term, and even then, there's usually just a penalty they'd have to pay for doing so. And Patreon's the same kind of middle-man.

If Patreon was trying to keep the full total of those donations to an ex-client, without either paying them to said ex-client or returning them to the donors, then I'd agree there's a real issue. That's about it.

If you don't like their stance on ethical conduct by their clients, feel free to fuck off and find another service to fund yourself through.

This isn't much different from a McDonalds kicking out customers for streaming pornography in their store, where kids can see and hear it, and you crying "MORALITY POLICE". It's silly as fuck, man.

[Elegiac]

No they deserve fiscal ruin for being puritan fucks. Not for what they did to sargon. I even said up there somewhere. Once again as a mod can you perform your duties unbiased if you lack reading comprehension?

You've yet to demonstrate them "being puritan fucks", the rest is just ad hominem garbage.

Awful lot of people who binge watch content between hate posts on Facebook crowing happily about Patreon's financial woes, here.

[Endus]

You've yet to demonstrate them "being puritan fucks", the rest is just ad hominem garbage.

Awful lot of people who binge watch content between hate posts on Facebook crowing happily about Patreon's financial woes, here.

I'm pretty sure the "puritan" thing is because they don't want to support any potential exploitative, sexualized art of minors. Y'know, child pornography. That's apparently what the furor is about; that Patreon said "okay, no more child porn through our services".

[Elegiac]

I'm pretty sure the "puritan" thing is because they don't want to support any potential exploitative, sexualized art of minors. Y'know, child pornography. That's apparently what the furor is about; that Patreon said "okay, no more child porn through our services".

Hey. Wanna hear a funny joke?

Notice how none of the free speech white knights said a word about Tumblr getting purged because the people being impacted were mostly left wing or apolitical, with the far right blogs remaining entirely untouched. And only now do they start getting their knickers in a twist, since their mouthpieces on YouTube have their incomes and thus platforms threatened.

[Elegiac]

How can drawings have an age?

Oh noooooo not someone defending lolicon in my Gen-OT in the year of our Lord 2020.

Hell is empty and all the devils are here.

[Endus]

How can drawings have an age?

"My child porn should be allowed because it's a drawing" is a bad argument.

Why do they still allow cub porn? Explain that.

Shan't.

They probably shouldn't. Has anyone reported it?

They banned the entire anime art style. Not just loli genius.

Citation needed. I tried to look this up and found no reputable sourcing, just wild accusations based on partial communications from Patreon that really don't back that argument up.

[Elegiac]

Wanna hear a better joke. Tumblr lost almost all their teaffic when they purged nsfw art.

Indeed, something the right wing were quite happy about because it was mainly impacting "tumblerinas" or "SJWs". Free speech is code for entitlement to a political platform for such people, let's not mince words, and bitching about Patreon not hosting offensive content is symptomatic of that.

[Elegiac]

Bud them banning loli isn't the issue. I can understand it. If i don't get my ass banned I'll have to sift through a ton of post on reddit and twitter to find the rule change. fuck i hate working for nothing. Clout doesn't pay the bills.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Don't make broad declarations as if they're fact and then act indignant when people ask you to substantiate them and call them false when you don't.

[Endus]

Bud them banning loli isn't the issue. I can understand it. If i don't get my ass banned I'll have to sift through a ton of post on reddit and twitter to find the rule change. fuck i hate working for nothing. Clout doesn't pay the bills.

And yet, I can't find anything that says they "banned the entire anime art style", just stuff where it stated that if the art style makes them look too young, saying "they're 18 even though they're holding a teddy bear and a pacifier" isn't going to fucking pass muster.

If you can't back up that kind of claim, don't make it in the first place.

[zhero]

Furthermore, there's like 15+ years of claims against Vic from RT, from many different women who submitted signed and notarized affadavits.
.

Vic has always been a cool outgoing guy, always cheerful meeting with his fans, his fans loved interacting with him, the people accusing him are all on video laughing and joking with him throughout those years of claimed harassment, lots of evidence was faked and photoshopped against him. the only reason the judge dismissed was entirely because Vic is famous. The original accuser of Vic even claimed he did something, that not only never happened to Vic, but did happen to a different voice actor, who was Monica Rial's ex.

[Elegiac]

Vic has always been a cool outgoing guy, always cheerful meeting with his fans, his fans loved interacting with him, the people accusing him are all on video laughing and joking with him throughout those years of claimed harassment, lots of evidence was faked and photoshopped against him. the only reason the judge dismissed was entirely because Vic is famous. The original accuser of Vic even claimed he did something, that not only never happened to Vic, but did happen to a different voice actor, who was Monica Rial's ex.

Y'all really need to stop getting so indignant over parasocial relationships with celebrities, man. They aren't going to notice you because you defended them against accusations of being a sexual predator.

Fullmetal disgusting is what it is.

[Edge-]

https://animemotivation.com/patreon-...ts-guidelines/

Here you go has all the tweets from patreon. Notice the fact furry art isn't regulated the same way. Yet anime is? Hmmmmm

So...they didn't actually ban anime art styles in the slightest, even your link doesn't say that.

[Cracked]

I recall you saying laws are the ultimate cancel culture. That's not their purpose i am for people defending themselves from claims people raped them. Defamation is a thing.

You ever wonder why i hardly label people baselessly (i do from time to time so i can't say never). Because i have to back up the claims. That's literally the same logic and how it applies to the real world

If I slader you by saying you touched my tralala and spread it over the internet. Wouldn't you want to defend yourself too?

Don't waste your breath, this guy is purposefully inflammatory wherever he goes. Last time I saw his posts, he was saying all immigration should become legal and all borders destroyed. He just blurts stuff he thinks will incite a certain type of poster. He doesn't argue in good faith. I'm surprised there isn't a more progressive ban system here, because I've seen him get banned dozens of times now.

[s_bushido]

With all this talk about banning certain types of art, I hope no one ever busted out the old "they're banning us because we're conservatives" chestnut.

[Machismo]

Don't waste your breath, this guy is purposefully inflammatory wherever he goes. Last time I saw his posts, he was saying all immigration should become legal and all borders destroyed. He just blurts stuff he thinks will incite a certain type of poster. He doesn't argue in good faith. I'm surprised there isn't a more progressive ban system here, because I've seen him get banned dozens of times now.

Yes, and I'm alarmingly consistent in my support of liberty, imagine that.

I have been banned many times, mostly for calling people trolls or racists.

[Teleros]

Since we also see clear evidence of this being an attempt to legislate them to death

Neither Owen nor his fans can enact legislation. They're just following through the proper legal procedures that Patreon insisted they go through in order to air a legitimate grievance they have with Patreon.

We. Don't. Serve. Shitty. Racists.

And yet they allegedly did when they let Owen Benjamin (etc etc etc) sign up & use their platform. Due diligence, what is that?

No, because class-action suits that actually have merits......are not malicious.

Are you saying Patreon didn't engage in tortious interference, or write a deceptive ToS, or breach its ToS by filing a class action lawsuit?

The judge issued an injunction saying they have to go to arbitration. Nothing was said about the merits of Benjamin's claims.

Yup. The California legal system - at least according to the judge - is not meant to get involved in arbitrations if it can possibly help it, so they're all going back to JAMS.

I don't know if it's possible to view documents relating to the arbitration process like you can with regular court docs, but if I find a link to anything I'll post it here.

So...they didn't actually ban anime art styles in the slightest, even your link doesn't say that.

The devil's in the details.

1. "Our guidelines do not allow sexualised depictions of minors."
2. The anime style makes women in particular look younger.
3. Therefore they look like sexualised depictions of minors.
4. Therefore anime is not allowed.

So true, they didn't outright say that "anime = banned", but look at the quotes: "As long as you do Japanese style, even if the character has big breasts, Patreons official said it’ll be classed as a minor, so I had to delete 90% of my art on Patreon."

If we assume the artist is telling the truth, and combine this statement with the 4 point above, then his art was banned basically because it was anime. Now, maybe Patreon won't cause trouble if you never have any sexy anime women, but if you do, then per the quote, you're in trouble.

[Machismo]

Neither Owen nor his fans can enact legislation. They're just following through the proper legal procedures that Patreon insisted they go through in order to air a legitimate grievance they have with Patreon.


And yet they allegedly did when they let Owen Benjamin (etc etc etc) sign up & use their platform. Due diligence, what is that?


Are you saying Patreon didn't engage in tortious interference, or write a deceptive ToS, or breach its ToS by filing a class action lawsuit?


Yup. The California legal system - at least according to the judge - is not meant to get involved in arbitrations if it can possibly help it, so they're all going back to JAMS.

I don't know if it's possible to view documents relating to the arbitration process like you can with regular court docs, but if I find a link to anything I'll post it here.


The devil's in the details.

1. "Our guidelines do not allow sexualised depictions of minors."
2. The anime style makes women in particular look younger.
3. Therefore they look like sexualised depictions of minors.
4. Therefore anime is not allowed.

So true, they didn't outright say that "anime = banned", but look at the quotes: "As long as you do Japanese style, even if the character has big breasts, Patreons official said it’ll be classed as a minor, so I had to delete 90% of my art on Patreon."

If we assume the artist is telling the truth, and combine this statement with the 4 point above, then his art was banned basically because it was anime. Now, maybe Patreon won't cause trouble if you never have any sexy anime women, but if you do, then per the quote, you're in trouble.

I meant litigate them to death, and that's what it is. Your own videos prove it.

What a shame. I love watching "free speech" people oppose freedom of speech, and root for authoritarianism.

It's a shame so many people seek to defend racist shitbags and authoritarianism.

[Elegiac]

The devil's in the details.

1. "Our guidelines do not allow sexualised depictions of minors."
2. The anime style makes women in particular look younger.
3. Therefore they look like sexualised depictions of minors.
4. Therefore anime is not allowed.

So true, they didn't outright say that "anime = banned", but look at the quotes: "As long as you do Japanese style, even if the character has big breasts, Patreons official said it’ll be classed as a minor, so I had to delete 90% of my art on Patreon."

If we assume the artist is telling the truth, and combine this statement with the 4 point above, then his art was banned basically because it was anime. Now, maybe Patreon won't cause trouble if you never have any sexy anime women, but if you do, then per the quote, you're in trouble.

This is a bigger reach than Rose Mary Woods.

You're telling on yourself with "the anime style", too - anime has thousands of styles in of itself, which any platform is capable of making the distinction of, but because certain 'styles' (i.e. certain content) isn't acceptable to defend in specificity y'all have to defend it with generalities like "the anime style".

[Edge-]

The devil's in the details.

1. "Our guidelines do not allow sexualised depictions of minors."
2. The anime style makes women in particular look younger.
3. Therefore they look like sexualised depictions of minors.
4. Therefore anime is not allowed.

That's a gross misinterpretation of their rules, holy hell. You can easily draw anime women, even lewd anime women, that absolutely don't look like teenager. Unless the whole point is you're intentionally drawing them to look young as hell with the whole, "Oh, this character that looks 8 years old is REALLY part dragon and 500 years old!"

Don't get me wrong, personal morals aside if someone wants to look at childlike anime characters to get their rocks off in the privacy of their home (or with consenting friends), whatever. But no third party site is, or should be, forced to host or support that content if they choose not to.

So true, they didn't outright say that "anime = banned", but look at the quotes: "As long as you do Japanese style, even if the character has big breasts, Patreons official said it’ll be classed as a minor, so I had to delete 90% of my art on Patreon."

Secondhand information not confirmed by Patreon officially. Quite the contrary - https://twitter.com/Patreon/status/1238495853502844928

We do not automatically consider anime-style characters to be minors. If you have questions or want clarification, you can always reach our team at guidelines@patreon.com.

Some casual poking around the news confirms that the creators that were allegedly hit also did loli art - https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/...ons-of-minors/

While both Waero and Kakuume have drawn artworks of ‘loli’ characters, these drawings do not depict any real-world children.

If we assume the artist is telling the truth, and combine this statement with the 4 point above, then his art was banned basically because it was anime. Now, maybe Patreon won't cause trouble if you never have any sexy anime women, but if you do, then per the quote, you're in trouble.

"If we make a lot of leaps in logic and assumptions based off of our preconceived biases, the situation is exactly as bad as we imagine it is!"

Except there continues to be nothing in reality backing this up.