Patreon to go bust?

[Endus]

https://animemotivation.com/patreon-...ts-guidelines/

Here you go has all the tweets from patreon. Notice the fact furry art isn't regulated the same way. Yet anime is? Hmmmmm

The only thing in there that's relevant is the Tweet from Patreon saying this;

We'd like to clarify a recent rumor about our guidelines. We do not limit any specific style (like anime) of art. But our guidelines do not allow sexualized depictions of minors.

Everything else is a bunch of anime fans and artists making mountains out of molehills and building straw men to scream at.

Anyone who had to delete 90% of their work to comply with this was a child pornographer who was using an anime style to try and give himself a tiny bit of legal wiggle room. Or clueless and not understanding the actual rules. I'll allow that much.

[Machismo]

Imagine waking up one day, and being outraged by the thought of a business refusing to serve racists and pedophiles.

[Machismo]

So it's only a coincidence if most anime artists get banned....right. yet furry porn and western porn remains untouched. buuuut tgey never stated

Maybe anime artists shouldn't post images that sexualize children.

Just a thought.

[Elegiac]

So it's only a coincidence if most anime artists get banned....right. yet furry porn and western porn remains untouched. buuuut they never stated don't forget to stretch before you attempt gymnasticss

How do you know they all aren't getting banned in roughly equal proportions, but it's just artists that draw inappropriate content in an anime-esque style making the most noise about it?

[Endus]

So it's only a coincidence if most anime artists get banned....right. yet furry porn and western porn remains untouched. buuuut they never stated don't forget to stretch before you attempt gymnasticss

Were those furry and Western porn artists sexualizing minors?

If so, report 'em.

If not, they wouldn't get hit. Nor would anime artists who aren't making child porn. As Patreon clearly states. I'm gonna take the claims that "most anime artists got banned" as just wild hyperbole, because they're backed by absolutely nothing.

[Machismo]

But if everything is considered a child by patreon? Even when they age them up? How can they make cash.

Evidence, please.

Sell their products elsewhere. That's easy.

[Edge-]

So it's only a coincidence if most anime artists get banned....right. yet furry porn and western porn remains untouched. buuuut they never stated don't forget to stretch before you attempt gymnasticss

I haven't been following the porn community on Patreon, so you'll forgive me if I'm trying to get up to speed on this now. I'm not actually seeing anything to verify this as I search around on the internet so I'm not sure this even exists.

https://www.patreon.com/search?q=anime

Is showing up mountains and mountains of creators of anime and anime-related content (music etc.), so unless you know of some info on this actually happening I'm mashing F to doubt.

[Elegiac]

Were those furry and Western porn artists sexualizing minors?

If so, report 'em.

If not, they wouldn't get hit. Nor would anime artists who aren't making child porn. As Patreon clearly states. I'm gonna take the claims that "most anime artists got banned" as just wild hyperbole, because they're backed by absolutely nothing.

I mean if he really wants to get into problems with furries let's talk about the spate of nazi and police fetishists in that art community buuuuuuuuut they don't generally get defended when they get banned because being a furry is generally seen as in line with "degeneracy" in right wing circles whereas, Bidoof's Law in evidence, shameless addiction to hentai is not.

Notice also how none of the free speech or anti-censorship drones ever seem to take issue with how content moderation practices actually harm people - for instance, how YouTube's puritanical monetization and algorithm standards disproportionately silence LGBTQ friendly content while simultaneously mainline right wing propaganda. But again; this services the right wing, therefore it is not considered a problem.

All circles back to the foundational principle of conservatism being the law protecting certain groups without binding them, and binding others without protecting them.

[Teleros]

I meant litigate them to death, and that's what it is. Your own videos prove it.

Yes; I was just quibbling because what can I say? It's you.

That's a gross misinterpretation of their rules, holy hell.

It's a reasonable interpretation - we both know full well that anime characters, women especially, tend to have proportionally larger heads & eyes than they should have for an anatomically correct person of that age etc. From there it's not much of a leap to my conclusion (which, let's remember, was not that Patreon was banning all anime) at all.

Unless the whole point is you're intentionally drawing them to look young as hell with the whole, "Oh, this character that looks 8 years old is REALLY part dragon and 500 years old!"

Yeah, that's just... weird. Let's stick with weird.

So it's only a coincidence if most anime artists get banned....right. yet furry porn and western porn remains untouched. buuuut they never stated don't forget to stretch before you attempt gymnasticss

To be fair, I'm guessing that most of the western/furry stuff is of characters that look less neotenous than anime ones, so Patreon could be treating all categories equally and yet still be kicking off disproportionate numbers of anime/hentai artists, because one of the defining characteristics of most anime/hentai is women with neotenous features. It's like... imagine a restaurant chain bans all spicy food, and then gets accused of racism because its banned all Indian food. It hasn't banned all Indian food, other cuisines are also affected, but as Indian food uses a lot of spices, it's disproportionately affected by a universally applied rule.

[Machismo]

Yes; I was just quibbling because what can I say? It's you.


It's a reasonable interpretation - we both know full well that anime characters, women especially, tend to have proportionally larger heads & eyes than they should have for an anatomically correct person of that age etc. From there it's not much of a leap to my conclusion (which, let's remember, was not that Patreon was banning all anime) at all.


Yeah, that's just... weird. Let's stick with weird.


To be fair, I'm guessing that most of the western/furry stuff is of characters that look less neotenous than anime ones, so Patreon could be treating all categories equally and yet still be kicking off disproportionate numbers of anime/hentai artists, because one of the defining characteristics of most anime/hentai is women with neotenous features. It's like... imagine a restaurant chain bans all spicy food, and then gets accused of racism because its banned all Indian food. It hasn't banned all Indian food, other cuisines are also affected, but as Indian food uses a lot of spices, it's disproportionately affected by a universally applied rule.

Yes, I do despise people who hate freedom of association, and support racists.

What can I say.

[Rennadrel]

Vics case is in appeals due to chupp ruling all of vics claims are covered under TCPA. That's were the case stands ATM. As for alita. Man brie Larson was wooden as fuck playing marvel I enjoyed alita. I do commend you for actually answering back. Im not being facetious. I get enough of (x) is (x) and no one back up shit. I take back the stuff i said. Chupp does have a history of getting his verdicts overturned so it's something to watch out for. Tcpa shouldn't cover TI that moronica did to vic. Yet chupp ruled it does. This is the part i think will hurt monica and funimation.

Don't forget that one of Vic's biggest social media harassers and a now disgraced VA, Ron Toye, was canned by Funimation and has since been banned from Twitter. That pile of shit beat his wife with a TV remote and beat his son. Funny how the people who have accused him of wrongdoing are also horrible people too.

[Elegiac]

Bidoof? The vendor trash pokemon? YouTube own rules are vague as fuck. Even more so since it largely automated due to ronona and susan being lousy at her job.

"Originating from Tumblr user “Bidoof” (a Pokémon), Bidoof’s law says that there will never be anything more joyous than reading a bad or offensive opinion online, checking the user’s profile, and finding out they are “openly and shamelessly addicted to hentai”."

All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

- - - Updated - - -

Don't forget that one of Vic's biggest social media harassers and a now disgraced VA, Ron Toye, was canned by Funimation and has since been banned from Twitter. That pile of shit beat his wife with a TV remote and beat his son. Funny how the people who have accused him of wrongdoing are also horrible people too.

A mobster testifying against their boss isn't automatically giving invalid testimony just because they are also a mobster, christ and allah.

[Machismo]

"Originating from Tumblr user “Bidoof” (a Pokémon), Bidoof’s law says that there will never be anything more joyous than reading a bad or offensive opinion online, checking the user’s profile, and finding out they are “openly and shamelessly addicted to hentai”."

All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

Man, that's fucking hilarious.

And so relevant to the current phase of the thread.

[Themius]

Maybe anime artists shouldn't post images that sexualize children.

Just a thought.

Right, it's better people just go out and rape kids, obviously.

As part of Patreon policy, I don't have an issue with them policing their platform how they see fit. My issue is a separate one of what happens to those people after... what happens if they can't find the artists/art or whatever that they're looking for.

[Machismo]

Right, it's better people just go out and rape kids, obviously.

As part of Patreon policy, I don't have an issue with them policing their platform how they see fit. My issue is a separate one of what happens to those people after... what happens if they can't find the artists/art or whatever that they're looking for.

No, it's better that people simply not sexualize children...

Are you really expecting me to have sympathy for pedophiles who cannot get their child hentai porn fix off of Patreon?

if you care that much, then start your own service, just like Patreon. Cater to them, and they will flock to you.

Jesus Fucking Christ.

[Themius]

No, it's better that people simply not sexualize children...

Are you really expecting me to have sympathy for pedophiles who cannot get their child hentai porn fix off of Patreon?

if you care that much, then start your own service, just like Patreon. Cater to them, and they will flock to you.

Jesus Fucking Christ.

Actually yes I do expect you to care that much because so far everything we have seen says it reduces child abuse... so I am all for them getting their rocks off to hentai than you know... real human beings that exist in the world.

So any person who actually really cares about the issue of child abuse would care a whole fucking lot. This argument comes down to (at least for me) are you for virtue signalling or... reduced child rape?

For Patreon, banning it altogether they likely feel they have taken a stance against an evil, and are helping, but it is misguided. Since... so far... everything we have seen from studies looking at several countries says, without outlet more children are likely to be raped.

There are also studies that looked at porn broadly, and porn works as an outlet too, and we see a correlation with porn and decreased rapes.

I care more about reducing rape and harm and less about are these words I'm saying marketable? how do they sound?

People sexualise torture and pain, hello BDSM. Generally... people don't really approve of torturing people. Would you support a ban on BDSM due to that, like even drawn BDSM? What if we then find banning BDSM leads to people actually hurting unwilling people? How would that affect your decisions on what to do about the depictions of BDSM?

[smityx]

I actually don't know the case in much detail, is he actually a Holocaust denier, or is he just on the right and must therefore be a Nazi because it's 2020?

If it's the former, he deserves whatever bad consequences he gets, if it's the latter, then no.

I am more referencing Patreon's inconsistent policy.

If you listen to both sides they each call the other fascist nazis. The 2 terms really at this point are meaningless. As the two terms nowadays just mean you don't back my ideology and parrot my talking points 100%. Kind of like if you aren't 100% for what the alphabet mob wants you are a bunch of ists and phobes.

[Themius]

Evidence, please.

Sell their products elsewhere. That's easy.

This is quite hard no? That's like saying if you can't be on YouTube just go make a channel on Vimeo. This is a problem that happens when you have only a few platforms.

[Machismo]

Actually yes I do expect you to care that much because so far everything we have seen says it reduces child abuse... so I am all for them getting their rocks off to hentai than you know... real human beings that exist in the world.

So any person who actually really cares about the issue of child abuse would care a whole fucking lot. This argument comes down to (at least for me) are you for virtue signalling or... reduced child rape?

For Patreon, banning it altogether they likely feel they have taken a stance against an evil, and are helping, but it is misguided. Since... so far... everything we have seen from studies looking at several countries says, without outlet more children are likely to be raped.

There are also studies that looked at porn broadly, and porn works as an outlet too, and we see a correlation with porn and decreased rapes.

I care more about reducing rape and harm and less about are these words I'm saying marketable? how do they sound?

People sexualise torture and pain, hello BDSM. Generally... people don't really approve of torturing people. Would you support a ban on BDSM due to that, like even drawn BDSM? What if we then find banning BDSM leads to people actually hurting unwilling people? How would that affect your decisions on what to do about the depictions of BDSM?

So, they can take their despicable business elsewhere. Put them up on your property.

So, if you care so much, open up your own business to cater to them.

I would support a company not wanting to do business with BDSM people. Patreon should be free to do that, as well. Heck, that's even more business for you and your new company!!!

[Masark]

If you listen to both sides they each call the other fascist nazis.

One side claims the nazis were far left, put out dreck like "Liberal Fascism", and operates literal concentration camps.