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    Los Angeles mayor promising to violate human rights.

    Los Angeles mayor (Democrat) is vowing to shut off water and power to homes hosting parties or gatherings.

    Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti said on Wednesday that he is authorizing the city to shut off utility service to properties where large parties and gatherings are held, CBS Los Angeles reports. Garcetti said that, starting Friday, the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power will cut off water and power service in "egregious" cases where unpermitted large parties and gatherings take place.

    The announcement came hours after City Councilman David Ryu introduced a motion to increase penalties for property owners who hold large house parties in violation of public health orders. It wasn't clear whether Garcetti's announcement was related to that motion.

    In the motion introduced Wednesday, Ryu said property owners who skirt building and safety rules or city laws, such as the Los Angeles party house ordinance, are in violation of COVID-19 public health orders and the city's party house ordinance, which became law in 2018.

    Under the proposal, penalties for large gatherings could include water and power shutoff, permit prohibitions and having a certificate of occupancy held or revoked for any "large, close-contact, largely maskless gatherings, in direct violation of City Emergency Orders and County Health Orders".

    "Despite a pandemic that has killed thousands in Los Angeles, some homeowners are choosing to put everyone at risk by renting out their homes to massive house parties," Ryu said. "This is irresponsible bordering on deadly, and it must be stopped."

    "Whether it takes shutting off utilities or revoking their permits, we must do what it takes to shut these party houses down," he added.

    The proposal comes days after a large house party in the Beverly Crest neighborhood of Los Angeles ended in a shooting that left one woman dead and two others hospitalized.
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    Power and water are human rights? Just want to get you on record. Let me know when you start posting this every time an electric or water company shuts off people's water and power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Power and water are human rights? Just want to get you on record. Let me know when you start posting this every time an electric or water company shuts off people's water and power.
    You don't think water is a human right? I just want that on record.
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    1. The US does not treat lights and power as a human right. Especially if you ally with any conservative or Republican. Utilities can be subsidized but they'll still turn them off if you don't pay. Clean water definitely isn't offered or protected in America.

    2. Turning off the utilities until they comply is not a violation of anything. Especially if said part itself it is anti-social.

    3. Fuck Super Spreader events.

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    You don't think water is a human right? I just want that on record.
    Are you a socialist now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    1. The US does not treat lights and power as a human right. Especially if you ally with any conservative or Republican. Utilities can be subsidized but they'll still turn them off if you don't pay. Clean water definitely isn't offered or protected in America.

    2. Turning off the utilities until they comply is not a violation of anything. Especially if said part itself it is anti-social.

    3. Fuck Super Spreader events.

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    Are you a socialist now?
    so you're against all of the protests and riots in major cities for the past 90 days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    so you're against all of the protests and riots in major cities for the past 90 days?
    They were outside and worse masks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    You don't think water is a human right? I just want that on record.
    Only as much as healthcare is a human right, no more no less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    You don't think water is a human right? I just want that on record.
    So not going to answer the question? Yes, I believe water is a human right. Good thing that even with both the water and power off they have access to both. Now you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Only as much as healthcare is a human right, no more no less.
    so what aout homes that rely on electricity for health reasons? Oxygen tanks, insulin? What happens if someone in their house has a party and gets the electricity shut off
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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    so what aout homes that rely on electricity for health reasons? Oxygen tanks, insulin? What happens if someone in their house has a party and gets the electricity shut off
    They should be prepared for power outages. you know, that can happen because of stuff like idk, mother nature or a down power line.

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    Having huge gatherings during this Pandemic has, repeatedly, shown to be a health hazard to not only the people in attendance but the people they come into contact with more often then not. And it's not like they'll have their utilities shut down indefinitely, just until people disperse, so I feel the ends justify the means. If only because I'd rather they do this, then send in cops who'd escalate shit with confrontational entitled dipshits.

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    on one hand that's a typical Liberal response, but on the other hand fuck those people. I also somehow doubt they mean to shut those off indefintely, must be part of the fine to get it back on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    You don't think water is a human right? I just want that on record.
    If they want their own water. They are free to move to a place where they can drill their own well. My place has well water. No one can shut off my water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    You don't think water is a human right? I just want that on record.
    So access to water and electricity should be free then, yes?

    Or is it a human right... so long as they can afford to pay for it?

    Because I think that's what you actually mean. Which means you don't view it as a human right; you're just pissy that someone might pay for something and not get it (despite being able to just not go out of their way to have giant house parties and not be affected at all,) and are not actually incensed about the people that don't have it because they can't afford it or because infrastructure has actually failed them.

    I'm not saying I don't think water should be a human right. I just don't think you grasp the actual connotations of what you're saying, beyond being angry that a liberal mayor is debating leaning more strictly on people that violate a city-wide health code ordinance.
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    I question the legality of a city rescinding a citizen's access to water and power, when they are paying for it. This is a weird type of parental punishment, like taking away a child's television access or their phone. If someone is breaking a law, detain them. Even prisoners/inmates get access to electricity and water.

    As well, the idea of revoking a certificate of occupancy does not fit either. The building is fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    You don't think water is a human right? I just want that on record.
    Why are we charging for human rights? What the fuck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeth Hawkins View Post
    I question the legality of a city rescinding a citizen's access to water and power, when they are paying for it. This is a weird type of parental punishment, like taking away a child's television access or their phone. If someone is breaking a law, detain them. Even prisoners/inmates get access to electricity and water.

    As well, the idea of revoking a certificate of occupancy does not fit either. The building is fine.
    Uhm... they are not being blocked from getting water or having electricity, like a child not having a game. The child can’t go home and play his video game... wtf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    If they want their own water. They are free to move to a place where they can drill their own well. My place has well water. No one can shut off my water.
    We are now defining human rights as a commodity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    so what aout homes that rely on electricity for health reasons? Oxygen tanks, insulin? What happens if someone in their house has a party and gets the electricity shut off
    Why are they having large corona parties, with high risk people? If you are claiming these parties are around people with respiratory issues and diabetes... they are not far off from murderers...
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    To me it depends a lot on 'how long'.

    I'm fine with them disconnecting water and power as a way to discourage the party from continuing, but they need to be very careful about just how long it stays off for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynarii View Post
    To me it depends a lot on 'how long'.

    I'm fine with them disconnecting water and power as a way to discourage the party from continuing, but they need to be very careful about just how long it stays off for.
    How long does a party last?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    The child can’t go home and play his video game... wtf?
    Correct? Because they are not allowed to use it, like the homeowner in this case being disallowed use of their water and electricity. You seem to be having trouble with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeth Hawkins View Post
    Correct? Because they are not allowed to use it, like the homeowner in this case being disallowed use of their water and electricity. You seem to be having trouble with this.
    Yeah, because it’s not just the home owner, it’s the party. I don’t understand why you think their water and electricity will be cut off, once the party ends. That’s why I asked how long you think a party will last... if you believe it depends on how long, let’s set boundaries. How long does a party last? Without electricity and tap water? That will be our maximum... we can work from there...
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