Bolvar confirms at Oribos that the power behind the Helm of Domination is the Maw itself, which is also why the shards of the Helm can be used to peer into the Maw to find the captured leaders (at great risk to Bolvar and the Maw Walker who are using it to spy in the Maw). I would agree that the Runecarver probably did make the Helm (and Frostmourne), but as the Jailer's prisoner he likely made them at the behest and according to the instructions of the Jailer. They're the Jailer's tools in that sense, and that strongly implies the Scourge is similarly his tool in the ultimate sense.
I know there aren't any undead in the Maw (aside from a glut of spirit beings), but that doesn't really matter. If the Maw is the power behind the Scourge then the Scourge is still just extension of the Jailer's power in the physical universe.
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Hard to say. I'm personally of a mind that on Sylvanas' second/third death (the one at Icecrown Citadel) she bypassed the Arbiter entirely and was brought to the Maw directly by the Jailer's power, with the ultimate goal to bring her into his service. So I think Sylvanas has only likely been judged once by the Arbiter, when she died originally at Quel'Thalas - and hasn't been judged again since she became a banshee. If she were judged *now*, though; then it would likely be an express trip to the Maw.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Mabye it’s explained in the arthas book I never read but with out further explanation of his soul being eaten by frostmourn I don’t think any one can really say.
If he was spilt like Uther and then only recombined when he died then Probably not
If he was darkened but still in control then probably.
If he was a twisted slave that just had the same ego but not the soul then probably not.
Oh yes, I certainly agree Blizzard is trying to set up his redemption: the latest video is proof enough of that. I just think it doesn't really make logical sense- "uniting the world" doesn't mean anything if everyone on the world is dead.
I suppose it could be revealed that no souls are supposed to get sent directly into the Maw and only those who failed at redemption in Rivendreth end up there, with Sylvanas' vision being the result of the Jailor's manipulation. But I don't think we've seen any indication of that as yet and the promo material would seem to imply the opposite.
The main slogan of the Wrath of the Lich King expansion Box covering Arthas was:
"If you stare long enough into the Abyss.. the Abyss stares back into you."
You can ask yourself if he deserves the Maw because of his actions.
But his actions are also a result of those around him and those that he encountered.
So if he deserves the Maw does Jaina aswell? Uther? his father? i mean they all had their part into his path. Or might have stopped it.
It is kinda the same situation like Thrall just leaving Garrosh to just lead the Horde even when he did not want it. So does Thrall deserve the same path as Garrosh because of his role.
Oh Jesus there going to make arthas the new jailer after we kill this won’t aren’t they? I can see it now him saying some nonsense about frostmourn making him evil and that he really wanted to be good but he was still a bad boy so he’s gonna stay in the maw for ever to make up for it.
I foresaw bad things therefore I did bad things and took power for myself is authoritarian douchebag 101
there are worse ppl in revendreth, such as kealthas who did a genozid and tryed to sum KJ to destroy azeroth, and kelthuzad in maldraxxus whos literally responsible for arthas being corrupted in the first place, so no prob not
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It's difficult to say, but from what we've seen and experienced of Frostmourne's internal landscape (such as when you enter it both during the LK fight as well as in the Blades of the Fallen Price acquisition quests) I don't think it really accounts for what High Elf Sylvanas describes on her death: "[...] drifts in a sea of comfort, physical sensations replaced by the purity of emotion. She can grasp bliss, see joy, hear peace. This is the afterlife, her destiny. The eternal sea in which she found herself after she fell defending Silvermoon." That doesn't feel like Frostmourne at all. Perhaps it's just a projection of her dying mind, who can really say. I'm of the mind that Arthas opted not to consume Sylvanas into Frostmourne because he had a better idea for her now-unlimbered soul, namely warping her and it into a banshee and setting her against her homeland as one of the Scourge.
I'd agree with the notion that Frostmoune is sort of like a part of the Maw, though; it definitely seems to function that way.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
The Maw has been established to be the hell for the worst of the worst souls.
The one odd thing about the Maw (from my perspective anyways) is that we don't know of any named character who ended up there.
Like for real, I watched some beta here and there and not one reference to any character who ended up in the Maw.
What is the criteria for ending up there? Kael'thas might have been noble for a while but the moment he tried to summon KJ to destroy Azeroth should have gotten him a one-way ticket to hell, right?
If we don't find characters in the Maw and told why they are there then how can we speculate about anything?
Clearly Arthas was not supposed to go to the Maw either, hence why Uther dropped him there before the Arbiter could sort him.
tl,dr: Who is in the Maw?
The "One Legion, one Twisting Nether to span all timelines" facet of WoD has been superceded and retconned by Chronicle Vol. 3. Although it is still an open question as to what happens when a theoretically duplicate soul arrives in the Shadowlands. Given that we see or hear nothing of Gul'dan in the Shadowlands it's possible he never went there, and may have been more demon than Orc in the end (which means his soul could be in the Nether instead).
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Yeah, judging people by their every potential future is pretty much out of the question. By that metric even the likes of Hogger could potentially be cosmic-level threats and as such everyone would go to the Maw from the get go. Though I suppose that could actually be the angle they are going with. Since Arbiter is sort of robotic, the reason for the Drought could be of Arbiter's own making because of an error in her programming. The part of her shutting down and not directing the souls as appropriate could be presented as a wrong assumption by their servants.