The more I think about it, the more I feel it's totally shit. Why would the Dreadlords serve death? What interest do they have in that?
The more I think about it, the more I feel it's totally shit. Why would the Dreadlords serve death? What interest do they have in that?
Who knows, it's all just some tips here that people try to make sense of.
Other than that, it's Dreadlords. They are always on a winning side, for all we know they might ultimately just serve themselves and spread their chips all across the table betting on various "masters" winning the ultimate prize and letting them into the party.
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That is even IF this whole fuss IS about Dreadlords, the evidence is circumstantial at best. Sure likelihood is high, but who knows. Maybe it's murlocs!
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Indeed. They might be just as obsequious towards their Legion masters and write the same sort of report from another perspective, hell some of it might be total bullshit (an easy way for Blizzard to retcon stuff, as well!) Lothraxion is all about the Light being the coolest of the cool but perhaps it's an act, albeit I do hope in his case he at least became the mask a bit and doesn't transition from goody gooder to snidely whiplash abruptly.
I do think it would be stupid if the Jailer was revealed as the big planning big bad behind literally everything, but I love the ideal of the Nathrezim being a self-serving cabal pitting the cosmic powers against each other. Or perhaps rather orienting the struggle in ways that benefit them, since said powers clashing seems completely inevitable.
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It may also be possible that the plan was that he infiltrated the Army of the Light, but being Lightforged for so long means he forgot or ditched his original purpose, and the writer(s) of the missive just assumes that, of course he's one of ours because he's a Nathrezim. Or the rabbit hole goes deeper and the guy who writes this has no idea and cares not if Lothraxion is loyal, he just wants to please his theoretical boss while truly not being loyal to him which would be a very Dreadlord thing to do.
All that said, it seems to me that at least some Nathrezim were Legion loyal to the end, such as Varimathras attempting to summon Sargeras during the battle for the Undercity. So I doubt Zovaal is their true master to which they are unflinchingly loyal to forever. He may just be a rising power they attach themselves to. Definitely food for thought and an interesting lore piece, with some actual follow-up one hopes.
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I think it's possible that blizz pulls an Iron Man 3 twist and the Jailer isn't the true Jailer... or at the very least not the true big bad. He's the guy at the forefront who we think is behind everything, but it could really be someone else.
And it is actually the runecarver with removed memories of the plan, in torghast and more jailed than the jailer who might end up being his jailor. But that would mean the primus is nowhere to be found.
You got it wrong. Venthir didn't turn into the Nathrezim. Look at all of them. None of the Venthir look like a Dreadlord except for Denathrius. So most likely Denathrius was/or still is a Dreadlord and it's said he created the Venthir in his image. So it all makes sense since Dreadlords are known as vampiric demons.
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The Nathrezim, imo, were probably once some of Denathrius' top men, who he sent to serve the Jailer in their newly found pact. As a command, Zovaal sent them to each cosmic plane to provide deception among the ranks. They used the Fel to warp their bodies and to make the plane of Disorder a "threat" among the Cosmos so that their greatest champion, Sargeras, could be drawn out. They "pledged" themselves to the Void Lords, so they could bring their power out to Sargeras so he could fear their might. With that, the Legion was made, the Pantheon died, the Void Lords and the Light focused their aim to Azeroth, etc etc...
All while Death, the "supposed" enemy of all, is ignored. Free to do whatever they want to. Also, Lothraxion COULD plotting, yes. However, he could also have been fully changed. That is debatable.
Also, the Void seems to know about Death's plot. Hence why they nearly tried to Destroy the Shadowlands VIA invasions, hence why Ill'gynoth has these whispers of the Future, and hence why the Old Gods (Specifically N'Zoth) are so inclined to "save" us VIA corrupting Azeroth's Titan.
Meanwhile, the Players are going to beat tf outta the Jailer, cause we're the Main Characters, and no amount of 4-D+ chess can stop us from loot.
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They don't have to look Venthyr 100%. Reminder, the Man'ari don't fully look like their Eredar selves, but they still share the qualities of some. The Nathrezim were probably like Denathrius, AKA more developed Venthyr. Similar to how the Winter Queen is unique in her realm, or how the Archon is a cooler looking Kyrian, etc.
That would really make no sense tho since all the Dreadlord are well demons and Denathrius is the only one that looks like that in Revendreth and he is the one who created the Venthir. If the Dreadlords came from Venthir there would be more like them in Revendreth.
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Only Dentharius created the Venthyr. Dread lords didn't come from the venethir, just Denathrius
then please enlighten me where im wrong.
just saying im wrong without arguments doesnt make me wrong.
You're one throwing retcon around endlessly. You also say Chronicles is the lore bible but it doesn't explain everything, no idea what these void lords are, or what the forces of death means and so on.
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Ysera can't be the operative who infiltrated Life, this book was written before Sargeras left the Pantheon, so it's before the Titans arrival to Azeroth. Ysera probably wasn't even hatched yet.
It may be Eonar? She's female, so that part fits, and she seems to be aligned with Life.
Except that Warcraft has always been retcon central. Blizzard marketed Chronicle exactly as the lore bible. Stop denying reality.
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Dreadlords, calling it. "Lord of dread" is what seals it for me, as far as I'm concerned that is not subtle.
Secret agents of Death the whole time, even including the light guy? The Alliance may be in trouble. Remember the last time a dreadlord was able to take advantage of being trusted by a faction?
Exactly, the other people above people thinking that somehow Dreadlords are now retconned not to be demons and be Venthir instead from the beginning.
Well, Dreadlords have been around for a very very long time. Again some of the first demons. We don't know how old is Shadowlands or Zovaal at all and what came first. There was a long period of time before Sargeras took over the demons. We dont know who they followed or what they did before that.
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