Why would classic+ be even more resetting? That's the whole point of classic to continue the same world... If it's redefined as classic+ (but same as it was in the past) then it's not really +.
Of course it's not as simple. Naxx powercreep is already ruining a lot. It's a difference between risk and different game, or safe and easy but a clear end. An expansionless wow would be a completely different game from the one with expansions all the time.
I don't think OSRS is taking away from RS3. RS3 numbers are just continuing the exact same decline it was in before OSRS. They have been separate for a long time, 2 different games. Jagex keeps making their own new records and more money still.
Gotta love the lowkey begging people do in 2020. They get attached to fan fiction ideas and desires like Classic+, then they just beg for it nonstop by bringing it up over and over, reminds me of what children do when they wanna go on Disneyland trips.
It's really old, wish it would stop. I understand Frost DKs doing it, since it was something that was taken away, but man, this Classic+ thing is just needy at this point. Like crack fiends begging for a fix.
In a year or so, when BC servers are on their way, I'll remind you of this post.
And my confidence in stating there won't be a Classic+ comes from a simple place: understanding the reasons for Classic's existence in the first place, and from Blizz themselves making it clear that they will not add content that wasn't a part of the original vanilla experience.
People can say 'Classic+ servers!' until they are blue in the face, doesn't change the fact that it is a fanmade term, not a thing that ever actually was. Vanilla was a thing that existed, people wanted it back and Blizz decided to provide it. Classic+ is not a thing that ever existed, and there is no unified consensus (at all) on what people would want from it nor any way to attain one.
I'm not sure what kind of thinking goes into 'we made up a term here on the forums for a version of WoW that doesn't exist, so there's a chance that Blizz will spend hundreds of millions of dollars making it a reality!' but its... certainly something to behold.
Last edited by Mirishka; 2020-09-11 at 11:44 AM.
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100% agreed.
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Didn't claim I was more knowledgeable, I'm just exercising common sense.
Because if you think there's a chance that Blizz will spend hundreds of millions of dollars creating a literal fan-fiction version of WoW Classic with cherry-picked features curated by a community that can't agree on a goddamned thing, I have bridge to sell you.
Also BC servers isn't a guess, they've literally sent out surveys about how they should go about implementing them.
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So not only do you know which direction they will absolutely go with classic, you also know how much they'd spend on the development of a potential fork.
Forget the bridge, I'd like to buy lottery numbers from you and your all-seeing eye.
Also a survey isn't a confirmation of anything, but I agree it's also likely.
Cute, but I based that figure on the known costs of developing/maintaining WoW and its early expansions ($200 million the first four years), and it isn't uncommon for the budgets of AAA games these days to be in the hundred+ million dollar range.
With WoW's team much bigger than it was before (it was double the size of the original team as of Legion I think?) and wages/etc being much higher than they were in 99-2004, developing a full-on new version of WoW that melded Classic with stuff from modern WoW would absolutely have a huge budget.
I'm not being combative with you (on the contrary, you've been pretty respectful in this discussion) but game development costs in 2020 are obscene and they're only going to get worse as the next-gen stuff kicks in.
And the assumption that BC servers are next (I concede that it is an assumption) is based on Blizz openly stating that the team is discussing the best way to roll them out and sending out the surveys to that end.
You're absolutely right that it isn't a confirmation of anything, but remember that is what happened with the level squish ("the team is discussing this" + surveys emailed to people) and sure enough, we're about to be level 50 again. XD
So, my apologies for the bits of my posts that come across like snark - I just adamantly do not believe that there is any chance they would roll the dice on a divisive fan-concept from a splintered, argumentative community over a proven commodity like Burning Crusade.
Last edited by Mirishka; 2020-09-11 at 12:17 PM.
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The money isn't going "to keep retail floating". It's just going into Blizzard's bank account and they're going to do w/e they feel like with them - including developing new stuff altogether. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Retail itself earned them more than what they spend into it. That's just how it works (just look up the Boston Matrix and you'll see what I mean)
You get exactly what you pay for and what you were promised - a recreation of the original Vanilla WoW with modern technology, while still paying the same price that you paid before Classic was added to the subscription.
Blizzard did not promise you anything else. This is solely your "erotic fantasy" about your ideal WoW you are expressing here.
You can pay 12 euros per month and get acces to both retail and classic. If you want to use that acces to play both, one of them, switch between them or even not play at all is up to you.
none ever said there would be such a thing other than some forum posters who fancied the idea (or the ideas because everyone seemed to have a different take on what that '+' would mean)
anyways developing two games at the same time is pointless for any company, even TBC revisited makes more sense than classic+
What are you talking about?
The thing is already Classic+ , they have been changing subtle things, fixing some bugs, and working on their infrastructure to better support things that were previously almost unplayable or unfair back then.
Time will tell.
First off, people basically call two things Classic+, despite being different.
Do you mean the addition of new content in Classic-esque (which i think is Classic+) or is it essentially re launch of a "fixed" Classic that has intentionally made changes to improve the overall playability? (Which i would call a Classic Remaster rather than Classic+).
That Blizzards simply adds existing content atop Classic (a.k.a. Classic+) is unlikely, because the game is really on the edge in terms of numbers by the end of Naxx, PvP for example has totally devolved into a oneshot fiesta at this point because Naxx weapons are far too strong for the existing healthpool alongside the ever increasing critchance.
You simply cannot add new content atop classic without some form of squish, which is obviously a difficult thing to sell.
As for a Classic remaster, i think that won't happen in the near future, they'll launch TBC, which will last two years, then Wotlk, which again lasts two years and then we'll see what happens with this whole "legacy server".
Maybe after Wotlk, they see value in launching a "fixed version" of Classic, but that wouldn't happen before 2025.
Last edited by Kralljin; 2020-09-11 at 03:24 PM.
No, Classic is slowly dying as it is already. People are seeing just how much effort is needed to do stuff like AQ40 with farming venom sacs and mundanely grabbing world buffs because guilds are requiring it. It won't completely die off, but realms are already seeing people get burnt out by the neverending grind. Already had 2 Scarab Lords quit on my realm alone.
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The warcraftlogs data show that the numbers are more or less constant (rise and fall with release of phases), a lot of servers are dying out right now though due to the transfers - might be that. With SL release I expect the numbers to go down a lot though and rise again with Naxx or TBC