Is survival hunter the worst class revamp ever made?

[Kithelle]

Because the guy like playing melee more than ranged ?
Was never a problem for enh shamans or feral druids...

Survival was in a weird place...and pet complicates things...Enhancement also offered better support and was better known

[Ealyssa]

Enhance and Feral were brought to mythic raids three and seven times less than their ranged counterparts respectively

Sure but that's not because they are melee, but because those spec DPS sucks...

It's up to blizzard to balance the numbers. Obviously a non performing spec can't compete no matter how fun and well designed it is.

[Saltysquidoon]

Sure but that's not because they are melee, but because those spec DPS sucks...

Except no? Enhancement and ele and balance and feral had very similar performance this tier (if anything enhance and feral were better in ny'alotha then their ranged counterparts)? This is 100% down to them being melee specs in classes with ranged options in a melee heavy game in a mode that favors ranged.

Even if that were not the case survival had similar parse numbers to sub which was a spec intentionally broken by blizzard despite having better performance then three melee specs

[Tenant]

I only play melee classes, so it's superior to me.

[Yamuri]

Insanity Shadowpriest. I might have said that on this thread already im not sure. But they destroyed (personal opinion i know) shadow priest when they came out with that garbo

I miss orbs. Mah shadow ravens!

[Skorpionss]

All I know is that I miss black arrow, explosive shot and armor penetration...

[ohwell]

Its the best that can be done to dead spec. Yes, its not popular in raids, but because its melee. Glad that it have pvp accent in it

That whole concept is nonsense and I would have thought it died years ago when people kept claiming it when it was pretty much untrue. If it's competitive(haven't looked don't care) melee doesn't matter. You want a healthy balance because heavy melee isn't bad unless they're utter crap and guess what if you swap for heavy ranged and they're utter crap then mechanics will still screw the raid. If we were talking about BC you'd have a point where early on so many bosses had a 360 cleave that was later adjusted to 180 or less.

[aceperson]

it might not be the worst ever made, but it is certainly the worst blizz has ever made.

[ZazuuPriest]

All I know is that I miss black arrow, explosive shot and armor penetration...

hell yeah i was just thinking about black arrow (wotlk version) the other day

[Super Kami Dende]

Holy Power is.

[Dancaris]

That whole concept is nonsense and I would have thought it died years ago when people kept claiming it when it was pretty much untrue. If it's competitive(haven't looked don't care) melee doesn't matter. You want a healthy balance because heavy melee isn't bad unless they're utter crap and guess what if you swap for heavy ranged and they're utter crap then mechanics will still screw the raid. If we were talking about BC you'd have a point where early on so many bosses had a 360 cleave that was later adjusted to 180 or less.

You dont raid? In pugs its oblivious, in top guild also.
Yes, in some friends and family heroic guilds its can be. But even there ranged is too flavored by RL's and design of bosses. You just dont want melee in dps spots. 1 DH for magic debuff is all you need. Why bring melee over ranged, if they do less dps, less utility and makes mechanics harder? And if going from the boss lower your dps?

[Stacko]

I think it's really fun but it brings absolutely nothing to the table that a BM Hunter can also bring.

[ohwell]

You dont raid? In pugs its oblivious, in top guild also.
Yes, in some friends and family heroic guilds its can be. But even there ranged is too flavored by RL's and design

Favored by the uninformed. yeaaaaaah ok..i guess the elections were rigged right?

[ZazuuPriest]

I think it's really fun but it brings absolutely nothing to the table that a BM Hunter can also bring.

true if youre going to have mediocre dps you need to bring bomb utility. what can surv do that other specs cant do but better with better dps... nothin really

[Overlord Anrakyr]

I considered playing Survival, but then I discovered the "wonders" of two absolutely mandatory and very attention demanding talents: Wildfire Infusion and Mongoose Bite, and then I decided that I just cba with that nonsense.

[Cwimge]

I find it more enjoyable then what happened to BM

[Delano]

Whatever you disliked the most was the worst class revamp--choose your own adventure!

[Cheze]

if the survival gameplay had been given to any other melee class people would love it; it's only because people who play hunter often don't wanna play melee that people dislike the spec

which is fair enough but like, hunter has two other ranged specs and most of the interesting ranged mechanics they ever had have found their way there one way or another

[Jackstraw]

I recently leveled a Hunter. Tried Marks in BfA but, while liking it, couldn't really get it proper. I played some Hunter here and there after a brief stint during WotLK. Decided to give Surv a spin.

This time around I loved it. I love the baseline utility of the class, the tools, and the fact that Surv has to actually be mindful of where it positions according to the tools at its disposal at any given time. And although I understand there's a number of people who loved ranged Surv, and I'm no historic player and should not be taken as metric, I'm glad I found it as it is and actually like it for its inconsistencies and the somewhat depth it gives.

I sure hope it survives the test of time.

[Apeachy]

I played it religiously during Legion. It became my new favorite Spec/Class.

BfA changes reverting it back to a Semi-Ranged basically ruined the spec fantasy, been Marks since.

I don't think Survival had issues as much as players had issues with Survival. And now it's both.

yea for sure, I really miss survival when it was a "melee" spec. Yea Semi-ranged now..