Incredibly disappointed with class balancing so far

[Mysterymask]

curious of definition of balance in this case
is it

*All classes are capable and wanted for all forms of PVP and PVE and able to perform well in them

or

*MY class does 2% less dps than Class Y AGAIN DAMN YOU BLIZZARD YOU RUINED IT

[Darkautumn]

This is why there is so much negative sentiment about Monks right now.

A couple of months ago: "Wow Monks are the only spec with no blue post or major changes so far. I hope they manage to help Monks before the expansion comes"
A few weeks ago: Blue post saying "We will work on Monks but we first have to get rid of their bugs so we can work on them properly. We will bring the new Monk changes in the next week"
A couple of weeks later: "Monks are heavily nerfed now"
Now: "Still no major changes, no buffs, no talent fixes, still 100% of the problems carried over from Legion and BFA. Also, they are now only doing a small number of minor balance changes"


This is why Monks are worried.

[Sithalos]

It's almost like balancing is ongoing right up until Mythic raid launches.

Starting to think those X year member tags under people's names are lying.

[Bonkbonk100]

What balancing? What are you talking about? Its not even prepatch yet, let alone release.

Never seen this reply before.

[Darkautumn]

It's almost like balancing is ongoing right up until Mythic raid launches.

Starting to think those X year member tags under people's names are lying.

That was true until BFA, where Shamans, Druids, Priests, Warriors were told that they will be fixed in 8.1 because Blizzard ran out of time. Even worse, when 8.1 actually came, they were told again that they ran out of time due to Azerite trait balancing and the classes were given just number changes.

Loss of trust often results in these kinds of posts

[La]

It's almost like balancing is ongoing right up until Mythic raid launches.

Starting to think those X year member tags under people's names are lying.

It's almost like someone always says this and basically nothing changes at all, especially for some classes that are completely broken or totally untouched. Specs that weren't even finished and get delayed and delayed until they redo them in .1 or .2 patches. How many expansions have you played that you're not aware of it? I think BFA was the first expansion that had the most blue posts for balance passes I'd ever seen after expansion launch, yes, yet plenty of specs still were forgotten.

It's like when they ask for beta feedback and listened to zero of it after every single beta. When, in PvP, there was a completely busted warrior/hunter comp that deleted people instantly that got through beta, through live, and wasn't changed very deep into the season. So, you know, people tend to be skeptical of balance despite "It's not even release patch lole" Benefit of the doubt only works if you have a history of following through early enough for it to matter

[arkanon]

Never seen this reply before.

What about my ACTUAL reply? When you selectively take one component of a quote and exclude everything around it, you look like the fool, not me:

What balancing? What are you talking about? Its not even prepatch yet, let alone release. Now, i have a VERY different opinion when it comes to systems and gearing etc - those things dont change from beta usually, so thats a different story altogether. But balancing is literally just turning the nobs to make X hit for Z and Y hit for W. Im oversimplifying obviously, but thats what balancing is.

Now if you are talking about class design and the like, that aint changing much at all from now. I expect a few talents to be swapped around, but no major changes to any classes between now and launch. If you dont like the MW monk design at this stage, it isnt changing. They still have time to be working on some changes to legos, and that wouldnt surprise me at all.

Additionally, they will be working on things behind the scenes and no doubt have some changes in the works that we havnt heard a peep about, and wont until they have undergone internal testing.

[Swnem]

Won't happen until the week after the raid goes live.

Quoted for truth.

[Nzx]

Incredibly disappointed with class balancing so far

That's probably because there hasn't fucking been any. Doing beta testing without an NDA is proving more and more each day to be a mistake, because people who have no idea what they're talking about feel the need to chime in with their valueless opinions.

And, before you all jump and screech about how there "has been balancing", it's a well established fact at this point that actual balance and tuning continues right up until Heroic week on live and sometimes even after that.

From watching videos ( as i don't have beta)

I mean for fuck's sake, seriously?

[BeepBoo]

What? Blizzard has barely started doing any kind of tuning/balancing on the beta yet.

They won't do basically any the entire time. They always put it off and then release it in shit state, then basically never tune it throughout. This has been happening the entirety of wow I can remember.

[pkusa]

What? Blizzard has barely started doing any kind of tuning/balancing on the beta yet.

lol.. the game is coming out in just over ONE month..

[arkanon]

It's almost like someone always says this and basically nothing changes at all, especially for some classes that are completely broken or totally untouched. Specs that weren't even finished and get delayed and delayed until they redo them in .1 or .2 patches. How many expansions have you played that you're not aware of it? I think BFA was the first expansion that had the most blue posts for balance passes I'd ever seen after expansion launch, yes, yet plenty of specs still were forgotten.

It's like when they ask for beta feedback and listened to zero of it after every single beta. When, in PvP, there was a completely busted warrior/hunter comp that deleted people instantly that got through beta, through live, and wasn't changed very deep into the season. So, you know, people tend to be skeptical of balance despite "It's not even release patch lole" Benefit of the doubt only works if you have a history of following through early enough for it to matter

Which classes are completely broken or untouched?

[irdsyd]

They've done a little bit of balancing but there's a lot still to be done. At the moment affliction locks, mages and shadow priests are doing really well on beta. I've been in a number of betas and the general rule is that classes that seem overpowered a month before release get the biggest nerf bat - and go from fotm to not played a lot. Think demonology locks before bfa - they dominated in bfa beta and were over nerfed and it took a long time before they were competitive again in Bfa. You can expect the nerf bat to hit affliction locks (I don't want that, I play a lock and a monk (healer and dps)). Im not a high end raider (my limit is heroic) so I have more freedom to pick classes based on their playstyle rather than performance ranking. I was going to drop lock - but affliction now plays closer to what it used to and is a style I really like. The Bfa incarnation of affliction lock made me want to abandon the class. I also like windwalker and monk healing. They are both playing well on beta but windwalker still seems like a spec that won't get picked a lot because of its dps ranking - while monk healers will be very good for mythic+ again.

[apelsinjuice]

Not sure you fully understand how long they have ALREADY been working on this....lol

number tuning is ALWAYS done the final 1-2 weeks of prepatch and then there is always another big round of number tuning after the first raiding week of normal/heroic before mythic raid is released

[Tarba]

What? Blizzard has barely started doing any kind of tuning/balancing on the beta yet.

Exactly. They are obviously waiting for the next expansion. The 10.0 one.

[exsanguinate]

What? Blizzard has barely started doing any kind of tuning/balancing on the beta yet.

Do you read patch notes fella?

[shise]

IT is good, it would be a problem if it was balanced towards the first patches.

The game needs to be balanced towards the endgame of the expansion and not towards its first half.

Achieving full balance is impossible.

[Great Destiny Man]

Just because specific specs are getting a large volume of changes doesn't mean they're in a good place.

Balance druids have had LOTS of changes over alpha/beta but the spec is still fairly meh at the minute, especially after the latest build which pushed through nerfs and questionable changes to Lunar Eclipse.

Number tweaking will continue all the way to S1, I'll certainly keep my options open with alts in case shit hits the fan but it's far too early for doom and gloom.

[Elias01]

Just because specific specs are getting a large volume of changes doesn't mean they're in a good place.

Balance druids have had LOTS of changes over alpha/beta but the spec is still fairly meh at the minute, especially after the latest build which pushed through nerfs and questionable changes to Lunar Eclipse.

Number tweaking will continue all the way to S1, I'll certainly keep my options open with alts in case shit hits the fan but it's far too early for doom and gloom.

O love how people complain about balance yet they have absolutly nothing but their own speculation on it. You have no numbers, you havent played beta with its all systems at all yet somehow you all claim pretty much every single class as unbalanced. I really wonder where do you get your data.

[Nyel]

Class balancing? Where?

Wasn't it said more balancing is coming? I am still waiting for that, we're just about over a month from launch and they still have done almost nothing in that regard. Plus a ton of not working or incredibly useless Covenant skills.

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I agree with this, it is discouraging when I open most YT videos to get the lowdown on how a spec/class is looking for shadowlands (I'm still looking for a new main) and the first thing I hear is, "If you liked how they played in BfA you are going to enjoy this..".

I didn't in fact enjoy most of the class designs in BfA most feel very bland and boring and not engaging at all imho.

This is basically every spec besides Shadow Priest.
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People that keep saying it's just beta (when we're just over a month from launch) amaze me.