View Poll Results: Should Blizz delay SL launch

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    231 48.73%
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    177 37.34%
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    66 13.92%
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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by facefist View Post
    Judging from posts of people such as the one you quoted, I think Blizzard must be one of the few companies that has consumers who trash talks them and their product constantly, yet use their product very often. So addiction could be quite precise.
    Holy shit. Did you know that it's possible to still enjoy a product while being critical of certain aspects of the development process?

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Vorality View Post
    If you spent any time playing or watching people playing the beta...everything is being rushed. This expansion is FAR from release ready in it's current state. Still have MANY classes with multiple ways of instant killing other players in arena. There is absolutely ZERO balance in it's current iteration. Still 25%+ damage/healing differences between different covenants and conduits as well. Torghast has been unplayable for a very long time, Maw has nothing in it, etc etc...

    But I digress, I'm still having much more fun on the beta than what we currently have in BfA...finished or not...send me to the Shadowlands.
    And how do you know it is rushed? Are you on the inside? No, you are declaring it rushed solely because you don't like what you see, not based on any actual facts. Pure unsubstantiated theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    Eh, I would argue that some. The stability of the game itself seems like it is less than BFA's. I've had more random crashes, etc from SL Beta than I have had from Legion / BFA's. There's also the issue of scaling not working, yet again, as it should. So they will end up having to go in and putting in more blanket tunings. Some class tunings are still off. I'm sure there will be more conduit / covenant balancing. Not sure how well PvP is yet as I haven't touched it and testing just started recently. There are probably other things people can chime in about that I haven't experienced yet.
    I haven't had any of those issues. It is possible the issues are your computer and not on Blizzard's end.

  3. #123
    Rushing yet another expansion that’s filled with bugs and barely working / balanced systems right after BfA sounds like a horrible thing to do.

    Delaying until end of November or even early December would be good, but they don’t do it. The thing is, the new consoles launch two weeks after Shadowlands and with AC Valhalla, Cyberpunk and Demon‘s Souls there are already three lengthy RPG games coming.
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  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    I haven't had any of those issues. It is possible the issues are your computer and not on Blizzard's end.
    100% absolutely not the case. Just because you don't experience them doesn't mean they don't exist.

    Also, if the issue was my computer only then I wouldn't be having similar issues on the four other computers in my house that we use for retail WoW. I wouldn't also have a couple friends who aren't close to me, have different internet providers and machines, having similar issues as well.

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    Holy shit. Did you know that it's possible to still enjoy a product while being critical of certain aspects of the development process?
    Careful now, you're being a rational thinking adult, which is forbidden on the internet.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivank0v View Post
    Careful now, you're being a rational thinking adult, which is forbidden on the internet.
    The guy I quoted lobbed me in with people who were "shitting on Blizzard while still buying their product." I buy the product because I want to support the company which makes it. I know, crazy right? But I can still be critical about Blizzard's insistence on meeting arbitrary deadlines rather than polishing the game. I mean FFS they've been deploying class tuning changes on the PTR rather than the beta because they just want to get shit out the door as soon as possible. It's actually kind of insane. This whole "patch it later" mentality for game development is one of the worst things that has emerged in recent years.

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinChan View Post
    Even if what you're saying is true, it doesn't make what they say (Even if it's worded pessimistically) is actually incorrect. The WoW team tries to develop its systems as best as possible to keep you subscribed and have fun doing it. They obviously don't always succeed on either front, but that's part of their business for their own game.
    It's been the business model since the game launched. Lengthening gameplay to pad subs is how sub based games keep the players playing and make money in the first place. As we see with Classic, it's mostly gotten better over time about it actually, yet you still have people who think themselves great geniuses and protectors of the consumer because they point out that Blizzard cares about money more than about their personal feelings. Yeah, thanks Sherlock, almost like they're a business and that's been the entire point since before they released WC1.

    The date is set, a delay isn't going to happen until catastrophe strikes, and this type of game is always in a constant state of development and always will be, that's the nature of the beast, and I doubt making us spend 2-3 more months in BfA will change much of anything or garner more good will.
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  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    Holy shit. Did you know that it's possible to still enjoy a product while being critical of certain aspects of the development process?
    Thats why I said "trash talk" and not "being critical". There are shit tons of people who find pretty much everything wrong with what Blizz does, yet excessively use their products. Your post wasn't exactly being critical either, but just an attempt to bash the company.
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    Abso-fucking-lutely yes.

    Will they? Of course not. They have quotas to meet and fun little blurbs to put into their Q4 QRs about "engagement" and "breaking records" and other bullshit nobody other than Activision suits actually gives a shit about.
    If you don't want to get associated with those that bash Blizz all the time, then you might want to be a bit more constructive with your critique.
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  9. #129
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    I think it could use an extra 2 months. Launch it when they come back after New Years, but I don't see that happening.

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    Holy shit. Did you know that it's possible to still enjoy a product while being critical of certain aspects of the development process?
    So you do not notice the widespread paradox that people rage about Blizzard as being lazy, stupid, greedy, etc and their product as absolute trash and yet they still play the game year after year? To me it is super striking and it is a sociological and psychological curiosity. The closest parallel I can come up with is to professional sports teams (not all of them.) Some sports teams' fans love to rage about how horrible and stupid their teams are, yet they continue to buy tickets and merchandise.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    It's been the business model since the game launched. Lengthening gameplay to pad subs is how sub based games keep the players playing and make money in the first place. As we see with Classic, it's mostly gotten better over time about it actually, yet you still have people who think themselves great geniuses and protectors of the consumer because they point out that Blizzard cares about money more than about their personal feelings. Yeah, thanks Sherlock, almost like they're a business and that's been the entire point since before they released WC1.

    The date is set, a delay isn't going to happen until catastrophe strikes, and this type of game is always in a constant state of development and always will be, that's the nature of the beast, and I doubt making us spend 2-3 more months in BfA will change much of anything or garner more good will.
    Compare Leigon to BfA's launch. Then consider that Antorus was one of the shortest end-tier patches while HFC was one of the longest. There is definitely a difference between rushed launches and ones which Blizzard polishes.

    (And before you mention it, yes, I know MoP's end tier was quite long and WoD's launch was an abortion. But I think WoD's botched launch is what forced Blizzard to develop the sharding technology that made Legion's launch so much smoother so it wasn't all for naught.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by facefist View Post
    Thats why I said "trash talk" and not "being critical". There are shit tons of people who find pretty much everything wrong with what Blizz does, yet excessively use their products. Your post wasn't exactly being critical either, but just an attempt to bash the company.


    If you don't want to get associated with those that bash Blizz all the time, then you might want to be a bit more constructive with your critique.
    I'm sorry I didn't add "but I still love Blizzard and I'm going to continue simping for them" to my post when I was responding, literally, to the question in the poll.
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  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by TigTone View Post
    What should be cancelled is the never ending thread creations of how SL is unfinished, trash, “filler” and so on.
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    And no, they should not wait: it will not get better in such a short time, and i personally don't think that it needs to. Fixing bugs is a necessary evil, and they will have surely enough to do it when the patch goes live in a few days.
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  13. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    Eh, I would argue that some. The stability of the game itself seems like it is less than BFA's. I've had more random crashes, etc from SL Beta than I have had from Legion / BFA's. There's also the issue of scaling not working, yet again, as it should. So they will end up having to go in and putting in more blanket tunings. Some class tunings are still off. I'm sure there will be more conduit / covenant balancing. Not sure how well PvP is yet as I haven't touched it and testing just started recently. There are probably other things people can chime in about that I haven't experienced yet.
    Different experiences I guess, beta has been really stable for me. There have been minor issues (missing/black textures, bugs with new customization, etc) but most of them have been addressed as I've reported them. I haven't had a CTD since probably... July, I'd reckon.

    I'm sure there need to be balancing passes, of course, but the game's never going to be perfectly balanced no matter what they do so I honestly don't worry much about that. I play what I enjoy mechanically, and I'm going to pick covenants based on how the themes match up with my characters.
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  14. #134


    No matter what they did after BFA, it was full of bugs and I will remember it that way.

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    Hell naw, tune it as we go along, can't wait any more :P

  16. #136
    Since when has wow been balanced?

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    Compare Leigon to BfA's launch. Then consider that Antorus was one of the shortest end-tier patches while HFC was one of the longest. There is definitely a difference between rushed launches and ones which Blizzard polishes.

    (And before you mention it, yes, I know MoP's end tier was quite long and WoD's launch was an abortion. But I think WoD's botched launch is what forced Blizzard to develop the sharding technology that made Legion's launch so much smoother so it wasn't all for naught.)

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    I'd think a much bigger difference is that WoD was cut short while Legion wasn't. As you said yourself Mists had a 14 month end patch WoD still came out with too many issues to list. ICC lasted a helluva long time -the OG content drought- and Cata had a buggy mess of a launch too if memory serves and had many half-baked aspects to it design wise, in fact I think every xpack launch except Legion's and to a lesser extent Mists's was rocky in terms of bugs and stability, to say nothing of vanilla barely even being functional for the first few weeks back then, with how often it was down for maintenance and fixes.

    To add to this, Shadowlands's beta was the most reactive I've seen Blizzard be to feedback in recent memory, so to me it doesn't look like they're half-assing it unlike BFA's beta where we barely even got to test Azerite and Warfronts at all before release. I've no doubt the xpack will have balance issues aplenty on launch, but that's inevitable and the best that can happen is to get the outliers in line when Mythic releases. I can understand concerns, but doubt Blizzard will fix enough in a handful of months for a delay to be worth it for them and for most players.
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  18. #138
    What is a "good state"? When things are exactly as you want it? Then what if someone else don't think it's a good state? Delay it again?

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post


    No matter what they did after BFA, it was full of bugs and I will remember it that way.
    This was NOT the reason BfA was bad; because every wow expansion was filled with bugs, so...

  20. #140
    It's like OP isn't even putting short-term stockholder value first!

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