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  1. #81
    Consider this, go outside to a bar and stay there for like 3 hours. Boom alot more money spent dan 12,99.

    2 weeks ago I couldnt sleep anymore at 05:00 am, so I went online untill like 11:00 am had a blast. I can go online when I want, servers are always up to date. So I guess my money is spent well, and ill gladly pay for wow.

    If you don't want to pay just make alot of gold and you can play for free,

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Jackson View Post
    And I would pay money to do that shit, for nostalgia if nothing else....just not 20$/month worth of money.
    You are making the assumption the hourly rate for a pay-as-you-play to be the same as those for a regularly sub. I highly doubt that would be the case if Blizzard do introduce a pay-as-you-play.

    I would not be surprised if you end up paying around half of a regularly subscription for the small hours you might be playing.

  3. #83
    I really don't think the monthly expense is what keeps people away. For the price of going out to a movie with my wife we could both have 30 days of entertainment versus 2-3 hours. Yeah it's not that bad.
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    No fucking way. The worst idea since democracy.

  4. #84
    So don't play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Jackson View Post
    just not 20$/month worth of money.
    Then don't ? Blizzard don't owes you shit... They offer a product at a price, you have to choose if it is worth it or not for you.
    Really as simple as that.

    If you can't afford a Tesla, you get a toyota.

    I'll add that it's really that you don't have time to play wow (which is totally normal for a lot of adult, who aren't crying about its cost tho). And somehow say you rather buy 10-20 games ? So... You have time to play ? Or you don't ? Because puting 300$ into yearly gaming is the same budget cost. You either have free time worth of 300/year or you don't. What you buy with those 300 is completely irrelevant here.
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    nazi is not the abbreviation of national socialism....
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by oblakoff View Post
    If you don't have 15$ a month to pay for a hobby, no matter what it is, it will be wise to spend less time on video game forums and more on career development.
    This.

    Also, while everyone can do whatever the F they want with their money, i heavily recommend thinking about if WoW is the right game for you (at the moment) if your current situation would only allow you to play one day "for a few bg's" out of a whole month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    Not true. The world is just as full as it ever was without flying. People don't spend most of the time flying in the air, they spend most of their time at points of interest. If anything, having flying concentrates people more on those spots instead of having people spending a big chunk of time riding their ground mounts between points.

    Furthermore, the amount of people out in the world was steadily decreasing before they introduced flying to the expansion. There is only so long that people will care to waste inordinate amounts of time running around on the ground to get to the things they want to do before they become bored of it. Flying was a shot in the arm that massively re-energised the amount of activity going on the world.



    Again, totally not true. People still need to come down to the ground to do stuff. Also, being able to fly helps you to find enemy players. Lastly, when people do indeed using their flying mounts to successfully evade WPvP, that's not a problem with a flying, it's a problem with people not wanting to engage in WPvP.



    It's not like botting has ever been hard. If anything flying helps players because it makes farming for stuff easier for us, thus removing the incentive to pay a botter for the stuff.

    And as with above, don't blame flying for botting. It's disingenuous.



    Irrelevant. If there weren't these WQs and dailies, you'd have an empty world with or without flying.
    It's like a talking to a bot. No point even trying. If you really believe what you just said then I can only /facepalm... P.S no point answering to this, I really cba arguing with someone who has his head up in his own ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorimar View Post
    are you sure youre not on some low pop server?
    Twisting Nether EU (most likely biggest horde server).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihazpaws View Post
    It's like a talking to a bot. No point even trying. If you really believe what you just said then I can only /facepalm... P.S no point answering to this, I really cba arguing with someone who has his head up in his own ass.
    So let me get this straight:

    You flat out made 3 baseless assertions for why flying is bad. Zero explanation. Zero reasoning. Zero substantiation. I respond by taking the time and effort to explain the flaws in each of your 3 points. Yet I am the bot with my head up my ass?

    Have you any idea of how puerile that comes across?

  9. #89
    the people who currently can't pay the monthly fee and is staying away from the game, is usualy people we don't want to play the game in the first place.

    All other mmo's i have played when you share player pool with free to play or limited accounts, people are so insanely toxic, spamming, botting, you name it

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by jellmoo View Post
    Then don't sub? I'm not sure what the idea is here. If you don't find that WoW offers enough value for you to maintain a sub, then, well... don't. The game isn't a offering a menu. It's an all you can eat buffet. They want you to want to try everything, not pick and choose and pay only for the small bits you like.
    Is this what you tell everyone on the bus who pays single fare instead of period passes as well? "Don't have a season pass in the french alps you say? You only want to ski for a week? Go home you filthy casual! The Alps aren't for you."

    To pay for what you play might not be feasible for Blizzard, but the argument for it is certainly there from the customer side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glowpipe View Post
    the people who currently can't pay the monthly fee and is staying away from the game, is usualy people we don't want to play the game in the first place.

    All other mmo's i have played when you share player pool with free to play or limited accounts, people are so insanely toxic, spamming, botting, you name it
    This is actually a fair counterpoint.

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Chat View Post
    if the only thing keeping your friends from playing the game is the thought of paying a monthly sub when you can just.. buy a month outside of the sub x_x i dont understand. You can do this with WoW and FFXIV lol. Subs are not a requirement.

    Even if money is an issue.. with 1 month of game time.. you have a good enough time to farm the necessary gold to buy another month. That's how I've been keeping myself subbed up. The minute they allowed me to pay with gold.. I never looked back.
    Its not money thats an issue, its the value. They haven't played in ages and it would take both an initial investment to get the current and missing xpacs + a month sub and the question is always - why would I pay that to play an old game when I could play a much newer game for less? So nobody is touching wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Jackson View Post
    The only thing I would be missing is pissing off millenials in world PVP

    Based on the information given, you're almost definitely a millennial yourself lol
    Anything worth doing is worth over-doing. Moderation's for cowards.

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by dojichan View Post
    A few things:
    Isn't a wow subscription 15$ ? I only buy them in gold atm so I don't watch but I feel like 20$ is higher then it is,

    Honestly this would be to their advantage; It is true that buying one day at a time(2$) would be expensive because of credit card fees... There is another approach. Allow players to buy 8 days of playing(so they can log on 8 times over one month) for 10 dollars(or so)...

    You save money if you are rarely playing...They make money off someone who wouldn't normally pay. Win win and not hard to program.
    its 20$ Canadian or 15$ USD

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Tronski View Post
    Is this what you tell everyone on the bus who pays single fare instead of period passes as well? "Don't have a season pass in the french alps you say? You only want to ski for a week? Go home you filthy casual! The Alps aren't for you."

    To pay for what you play might not be feasible for Blizzard, but the argument for it is certainly there from the customer side.
    Some things have an "a la carte" menu and some don't. It's not an apples to apples thing. You may want to ski for only a week, but you may have to pay for a pass for all slopes, not just the one slope you plan on using. You may want to see the live version of Hamilton but only like the music in the first act. You still have to buy a ticket to the whole show.

    Obviously people can want whatever they want. They may think it would be great to have a menu of services and only purchase what they want from WoW off of it. My one and only point is that clearly Blizzard doesn't believe that it's in their best interest to offer that. Maybe that will change one day. But for now, it's an all you can eat buffet, not a diner menu.

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by jellmoo View Post
    Some things have an "a la carte" menu and some don't. It's not an apples to apples thing. You may want to ski for only a week, but you may have to pay for a pass for all slopes, not just the one slope you plan on using. You may want to see the live version of Hamilton but only like the music in the first act. You still have to buy a ticket to the whole show.

    Obviously people can want whatever they want. They may think it would be great to have a menu of services and only purchase what they want from WoW off of it. My one and only point is that clearly Blizzard doesn't believe that it's in their best interest to offer that. Maybe that will change one day. But for now, it's an all you can eat buffet, not a diner menu.
    But they do offer this in other parts of the world, so it's more of a market to market evaluation and which model makes the most money where. Europe is probably the region most difficult to treat as one entity.

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Tronski View Post
    But they do offer this in other parts of the world, so it's more of a market to market evaluation and which model makes the most money where. Europe is probably the region most difficult to treat as one entity.
    I'm not disagreeing with that. My assumption is that they continually analyze their subscription data and plot out the course that will allow them to maximize both subscription revenue and retention. If they believed it was it their best business interest to change their subsctiption method and offer more options, I'm sure they would. I think, and this is pure suposition, that they don't do that with every narket simply because they want more stable revenue from those markets, and they want to encourage players to engage with all aspects of the game.

  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Yeah...they really really succeeded on that one when they went for Titan.

    So..what are all those "amazing and much better games they could have made instead"? I am sure they would happily take advice from all the folks on forums how to totally make those.

    In the meantime they continued to make a shit ton of money beyond WotLK - and no other company listening to players feedback on how to make "amazing and much better games" actually did.

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    ...which I guess is the reason that a brand new and most recent iPhone in India does not cost 100 dollars.

    Sorry to be so harsh...but when you need to work 3 days to earn 20 dollars, you probably have other things to focus on beyond video games. Not least: If you cannot afford the sub fee to WoW, you aren't even coming close to buying a comp to run the game on.

    Or is Asus, Nvidia, Microsoft and whatnot suddenly selling my 1500$ rig for 150$ in "developing countries"?
    Bringing a garbage elitist company like Apple into this conversation and using it as reference is potentially the worst contribution you can do here, purge that damned S tier trash.
    Also I do have that 1500$ rig although it cost me 3 times that much and I don't find it pleasant, I'm just saying the price is not a good incentive for people from those regions to try out the game, although I appreciate the first 20 free levels(which might get removed in Shadowlands now) and the possibility of playing the game with in game gold although once more, stronger economies sort of shape the game's economy by pouring those dollars into the game which makes poorer people slave themselves for at least a week to afford their next month's token. I'm just saying it isn't fair lol.

  18. #98
    I mean if the game isn't worth the monthly fee don't play it. Lord knows many other people have made that decision over the last couple years.
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    Nah nah, see... I live by one simple creed: You might catch more flies with honey, but to catch honeys you gotta be fly.

  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Zoneseek View Post
    Its not money thats an issue, its the value. They haven't played in ages and it would take both an initial investment to get the current and missing xpacs + a month sub and the question is always - why would I pay that to play an old game when I could play a much newer game for less? So nobody is touching wow.
    well at that point.. your friends just don't wanna play WoW regardless of what happens then..
    which I understand... people grow out of things.

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