Genshin Impact

[BeepBoo]

If that's all you want to do, great. If you want to do other stuff - I always feel pressured to get more weapon leveling mats, ascension mats, etc - then do it.

Everything I need to upgrade is always something I have to get from resin, and it takes 15 minutes to farm away 160 resin. Ore? XP tomes? I have like 10x too much of those things for the number of people I actually care about. What else are you even talking about that DOESN'T cost resin that you feel pressured to get and how do you have none of it? Maybe occasionally I need to go pick flowers or some dumb garbage for some characters... but I hate that shit with a passion and I'm only doing that as much as absolutely necessary, avoiding all combat while doing so.

As far as the "I want more specific rewards now" nah. Again, I'd gladly spend 3-4x the time I currently do just to farm for artifacts, but they won't let me nolyfe/bruteforce their retarded casino.

I'm saying I *WANT* to play for longer, but I'm only willing to do that if it's making progress towards the actual good stuff (artifacts, talent leveling mats, etc). Not dumb shit like xp tomes, infusion trash, etc.

I suppose there's also the important caveat that I'm unwilling to spend money on resin, and I'm not logging into the game more than one time a day. I'm someone that plays my games in one large session from like 8pm to 2am every night. I'd be happy to give genshin all of that time slot a few nights a week, but... like I said... they won't let me do anything actually worth-while for more than 15 minutes in a session.

[Big Thanks]

Ok. Just got my C6 Fischl. I feel like I should probably stop wishing on this banner now and just wait for other banners? Not sure Albedo is really worth it since he's GEO and the elevator thing seems lame.

I personally use him as a energy battery for zhongli and the gameplay feels amazing. Dont use his elevator at all.
Funny story, i actually know someone who wants him for the "elevator" and for the elevator only.

Personally i build him for Burst damage...but there is a DEF build out there that his passive hits for 10k to 12k passive hits every 2 seconds.
But with this build...his Burst hits for shit damage at c0. And i dislike that

My Albedo so far:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Imp...od_and_smooth/

[rogoth]

This is one thing I still don't understand personally. I play longer than 30 mins a day every day regularly. I am AR 49 and still have a ton I could do. I have no idea how people are 6+ levels higher and have nothing to do. Heck, I had no idea how they had nothing to do at ar 40 even.

i have not spent any money because i simply can't afford to, but i have played since day 1 of the release and i'm AR52 right now, i can log in and literally be finished with my 'to do list' within 20 minutes if i'm being quick, 30-45 mins if i take my time but ultimately i have nothing to do that would cause me to spend more than an hour in game without just idling around.

to answer your question, once you have found all chests in the game, completed all quests and have spent all of your resin there's almost nothing to really do in the game, if you really wanted to you could strip mine your own world of all resources for the day but because of how respawns work they wouldn't repopulate for at least 3 days in most cases for the stuff that actually matters giving you even less stuff to do until then, basically mihoyo needs to remove the resin system entirely but they won't because it would cause them to potentially lose money.

[GreenJesus]

I personally use him as a energy battery for zhongli and the gameplay feels amazing. Dont use his elevator at all.
Funny story, i actually know someone who wants him for the "elevator" and for the elevator only.

Personally i build him for Burst damage...but there is a DEF build out there that his passive hits for 10k to 12k passive hits every 2 seconds.
But with this build...his Burst hits for shit damage at c0. And i dislike that

My Albedo so far:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Imp...od_and_smooth/

I wasn't able to get Zhongli. So.. I guess a battery for Ninguang? I just tried out the trial and he feels pretty good though.

[rogoth]

I have to admit, I don't get the whole, "I only play 30 min a day" complaint.

If that's all you want to do, great. If you want to do other stuff - I always feel pressured to get more weapon leveling mats, ascension mats, etc - then do it.

Sounds to me like it revolves more around wanting specific rewards sooner, not "being limited in playtime".

i may be wrong, but my assumption is that you have yet to reach a point in the game where your game time is hamstrung and limited by resources beyond your control, because if you had reached that point you would understand why people (myself included here) literally log in, do the daily commissions and maybe a couple other tasks, spend their resin for the day then log out and repeat the following day.

you want to level a character up? gotta spend resin on leyline pods, you wanna level a weapon up but don't have the mora to do so? gotta spend resin on leyline pods, wanna ascend a character past a certain level threshold? gotta spend a huge amount of resin on the world bosses while getting a pittance in return.

by all means go around your world and strip mine it of all ore/crystals if you fancy, go and pick every flower/herb possible, go and kill the non resin gated 'elite' enemies but once you have done a full rotation they have to respawn and some take ages to do so, i am almost at 100% for EVERYTHING in game right now, i just log in and do my daily commissions, spend resin on stuff i need, log out and repeat the next day because i literally cannot play the game in the way i would like to because everything revolves around resin, and i as i mentioned above i cannot afford to spend any money on anything right now so if i want to boost my resin total i must forgo wishing using my primogems i cannot have both, and this issue is going just get worse and worse as time goes on and more and more people enter 'endgame' in terms of character levelling etc because they are gonna have too many characters they can't use because they cannot get the resources needed to level them up and as such are just gonna quit playing because their favourite character is useless to them, which is why specifically the western audience had such an outcry regarding the resin system and why it needs to go but we all know it's not gonna change, this new event is a step in the right direction for that but still nowhere near enough.

[Big Thanks]

I wasn't able to get Zhongli. So.. I guess a battery for Ninguang? I just tried out the trial and he feels pretty good though.

Seems to also be a good combo with Ningguang.
You lose the "pillar geo construct AoE's" but you gain the Geo buff when you walk through Ningg wall.

But Albedo is kind of a mess in terms of building him. Really counter intuitive.

In one hand, you want to build defense for those passive 10k hits...but then your burst hits for crap (good particle generation still though)
And if you build attack and geo damage your passives hit for 3k damage but your burst hits for more.

Is bullshit that he only feels "intuitive" at constellation 2...not fun at all.

[rogoth]

Quite the opposite. I've got every character in the game, many at 80+ and of the ones that aren't 80 they're leveled enough to be decent supports. AR51/WL7, 1-or-2 cycle most world bosses, but I guess I haven't 9-starred Floor 12 yet so there's that.

If I just "logged in and did commissions and a few domains and logged out" I'd probably be in trouble. It's in large part because I've worked on so many characters, but I'm always close to running out of this or that ascension material, or enhancement ores, or whatever.

Sure, I'd like to be able to get more artifacts every day - and some days I just don't feel like doing anything other than spending my resin - but I've always got something productive I could be doing.

my question to you then is, how much of the ascension materials did you have banked from lower world levels before you hit the higher levels?, because that will play a MASSIVE role into why you are yet to feel the squeeze, personally i did the 'wrong' thing and i played as normal, went through the content and levelled up 'on time' which made it harder and harder to acquire the ascension materials meaning it took me longer to get the amount i needed for each of my characters, added to the fact that because of how shit the resin system is you're forced to either focus on getting character ascension materials, character talent materials, weapon ascension materials or xp/infusion materials you cannot efficiently acquire a bunch of all of them, so you're forced to spend days at a time focussed on one character and that's your gameplay for the day/week, you cannot do anything else at that point because you need that resin to do that aforementioned task so you are locked out of hunting artifacts, you cannot do weekly world bosses unless you allocate time/resin for it on a day you know you can't get any of the materials you need due to the way the domain loot worked (no longer a thing thanks to the latest update) etc.

my point was that if you wanted to get a team of characters regardless of whether they are 4* or 5* kitted out with 'above average' artifacts, a decent weapon and their talents upgraded to a point that is suitable for your world level you will forever be behind the curve unless you spend money on the game because of just how restrictive the stupid resin system is.

[blackpink]

i may be wrong, but my assumption is that you have yet to reach a point in the game where your game time is hamstrung and limited by resources beyond your control, because if you had reached that point you would understand why people (myself included here) literally log in, do the daily commissions and maybe a couple other tasks, spend their resin for the day then log out and repeat the following day.

What you wrote is correct but it doesn't apply to beepoo because they said dragonspine is more of what the game needs when nothing about it has changed. It doesn't allow them to spend hours in the game to get the rewards they care about because it's just an hour (at most) event, one time. Nothing really changed.

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Seems to also be a good combo with Ningguang.
You lose the "pillar geo construct AoE's" but you gain the Geo buff when you walk through Ningg wall.

But Albedo is kind of a mess in terms of building him. Really counter intuitive.

In one hand, you want to build defense for those passive 10k hits...but then your burst hits for crap (good particle generation still though)
And if you build attack and geo damage your passives hit for 3k damage but your burst hits for more.

Is bullshit that he only feels "intuitive" at constellation 2...not fun at all.

I personally think going defense build is better overall. Hitting for 12k on each E hit adds up quite a lot. But it really doesn't matter. People who like going for bigger hits on ult can build attack and do well too.

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Ok. Just got my C6 Fischl. I feel like I should probably stop wishing on this banner now and just wait for other banners? Not sure Albedo is really worth it since he's GEO and the elevator thing seems lame.

I think Albedo is better than zhong li and the elevator cheeses the flower boss, worth imo LOL.

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Right now all the content creators are going off about the 3* sword being best in slot for him since you don't need to care about ATK. It's true that going for the def/crit E build makes Transient Blossoms hit like trucks but leaves you short on ATK so his Q won't be as much of a heavy hitter. I'm not sure how I feel about that just yet.

I'm personally not convinced about the HOD, but as a f2p or people who can't play a lot and / or don't have patience to grind artifacts for another character...it's 100% best option. But for people willing to grind artifacts and get good artifacts? I'm not so sure it is.

[BeepBoo]

What you wrote is correct but it doesn't apply to beepoo because they said dragonspine is more of what the game needs when nothing about it has changed. It doesn't allow them to spend hours in the game to get the rewards they care about because it's just an hour (at most) event, one time. Nothing really changed.

Wait wait wait, I never said it was an INFINITE supply of what I needed... I was simply saying taht this is the type of content updates that keep me playing, not chores like you had previously said where "but if you don't want to endlessly farm for artifacts and just bumblefuck around picking daisies, wHy ArE YoU PlaYinG?"

I'm here for the new content the game will release. I don't NEED grinds to give me reasons to play. I need actual new content to experience. Grinding is boring AF and if that's all the game actually was going to be, I would 100% quit. If you think they could string me along with farming to optimize diluc for years you're insane. I should be finished with him for good by now IMO. Perfect stats, etc. I've dumped like 6000 resin into that domain and gotten not even one excellent quality 5* artifact. It's bullshit.

This was me saying "see, the game actually does put out stuff and thus I don't have accept perpetual impossible endless korean style grind goals as something needed as a motivator."

The game can and does give me enough to warrant coming back without them tying character optimization behind impossible numbers and then limiting my casino slot machine pulls to 8 a day. They can drop that bullshit and (assuming they keep the content pace up like they have been) there will be more than enough reason for people to stick around.

TL;DR: your* assumption you made a while back about how artifact grind is the "real" end-game and is necessary for the game to stick around and that I should learn to accept it is bunk.

This is what I want out of the game (new and novel content, new quests, and solid chunks of entertainment time that aren't limited by resin), not low-chance korean grinds.

*I say "your" because I'm 90% positive it was you who were saying the game wasn't for me and it would only ever amount to a korean grind MMO, but if it wasn't you and it was some other poster I apologize

[Video Games]

Dragonspine has been so fun ive probably played 18 hours in the last 3 days alone. I havent played this much since like late october when i was done with mostly everything. Granted now ive used all 30 of my rein refills trying to get albedo and zhongli artifacts with middling success.

[blackpink]

I've dumped like 6000 resin into that domain and gotten not even one excellent quality 5* artifact. It's bullshit.

You're lying if you say you spent 6k resins and don't have 1 good 5*. Are you counting an "excellent" one as best main stat and every good substat with crit rate and crit dmg upgraded each time? Then yea sure, it probably didn't happen but that kind of odds is for the whales who max resin reset everyday.

This is what I want out of the game (new and novel content, new quests, and solid chunks of entertainment time that aren't limited by resin), not low-chance korean grinds.

*I say "your" because I'm 90% positive it was you who were saying the game wasn't for me and it would only ever amount to a korean grind MMO, but if it wasn't you and it was some other poster I apologize

I didn't really say it like you should just accept that it's an asian game and keep playing it despite hating that stuff and that it's necessary for people to stick around. What I said is this is how asian games are and it bein a gacha game on top of it makes that worse. It remains to be seen if mihoyo realizes how popular the game is in the west and adjusts accordingly. So far, it seems they are experimenting. Also, as of right now, artifact grinding is the endgame. Idk why people wanna argue that. Spiral Abyss is honestly a piss poor excuse for endgame. That being said, the game needs better content and dragonspine didn't change a thing and that's my main point.

Honestly, I don't have any financial charts or anything but if you want the game to really change, go make some noise on streamer chats and tell people to stop donating and also tell streamers to stop paying so much money. Mihoyo will not do shit if they keep getting customers who dump $5k / month into their game. I'm pretty confident that even if all f2p players left the game, they'd still do well and honestly it benefits them too (spend less money on their infrastructure).

Also, I said this before but I find this so ridiculous. You're expecting something out of a gacha game, that isn't a gacha game. They do need to fix the drop chances and stuff but none of this stuff will ever really change at its core.

[rogoth]

Dragonspine has been so fun ive probably played 18 hours in the last 3 days alone. I havent played this much since like late october when i was done with mostly everything. Granted now ive used all 30 of my rein refills trying to get albedo and zhongli artifacts with middling success.

i think the new area is beautiful from an aesthetic PoV, the music is nice also, makes a change from the same stuff that has basically been on loop for the last few months, but the area is one massive 'power creep' from what went before it, this might just be on my end but i struggled with some of last quests in the zone as i have no character higher than lvl 80 (cursed resin grind and all that), so when i got into the later areas all enemies for me were 85-90+ meaning that the 'level suppression' was in effect making it harder that it needed to be, on top of that the new climate system is just another 'hidden' mechanic to throttle players exploration, and while it's thematic to the zone and i understand it from a story PoV i dislike how there's a very limited amount of resources available per day in the zone to help combat the climate meaning it would take like a week maybe two depending on your play time to get enough materials to make a decent stockpile of the food etc.

as far as your artifact farming goes i would have just advised you to get a decent set of noblesse oblige ready and levelled up for those characters and work on getting the more dedicated sets over time instead of trying to go at it in one big chunk, might be my confirmation bias but when i have done artifact farming, i seem to have gotten better results if i do domains spread out over time than chain running them back to back (rng is rng so results may vary) but from my limited sample pool that's generally been the rule so far.

[BeepBoo]

You're lying if you say you spent 6k resins and don't have 1 good 5*. Are you counting an "excellent" one as best main stat and every good substat with crit rate and crit dmg upgraded each time? Then yea sure, it probably didn't happen but that kind of odds is for the whales who max resin reset everyday.

Nah, I'm talking just a 5* artifact with the main stat I want and all 4 sub-stats I want before any upgrading.

That being said, the game needs better content and dragonspine didn't change a thing and that's my main point.

I beg to differ. The game could use some harder (not "harder" because they're super restrictive with which people you can use and thus you have to have like 10 characters buff enough to be able to swap stuff... looking at you abyss) boss fights, but I think that is the only thing the game "needs" besides a steady drip of exactly the type of stuff they've been giving us. Exploring a new area ONCE is fun. New quest lines are fun. The events are generally fun enough, if not losing a little bit of their luster by the time they're over (which is fine IMO, makes me not miss them when they're gone). Just keep giving us new chunks of world, a'la dragonspine recipe, with new chars every 1-2 months and I'll be a giddy child for years.

They do need to fix the drop chances and stuff but none of this stuff will ever really change at its core.

I'd be fine with artifact farming *if* the rates weren't fucking horrible OR we could farm them endlessly without resin. Take all the other stuff out of domains if you have to, but just let me no-lyfe them so I can actually start to hit appreciable statistical values of brute-force instead of the current projection of literal YEARS of time with the current 8 runs/day limit.

Dragonspine has been so fun ive probably played 18 hours in the last 3 days alone.

This is my feel. It's not "different" than the past recipe. It's just "new." I did the same thing in liyhue and monstadt. Explored them all once and enjoyed it. I have 0 desire to do it again and I also didn't bother farming anything more than bare minimum while doing that exploration.

[rogoth]

Nah, I'm talking just a 5* artifact with the main stat I want and all 4 sub-stats I want before any upgrading.



I beg to differ. The game could use some harder (not "harder" because they're super restrictive with which people you can use and thus you have to have like 10 characters buff enough to be able to swap stuff... looking at you abyss) boss fights, but I think that is the only thing the game "needs" besides a steady drip of exactly the type of stuff they've been giving us. Exploring a new area ONCE is fun. New quest lines are fun. The events are generally fun enough, if not losing a little bit of their luster by the time they're over (which is fine IMO, makes me not miss them when they're gone). Just keep giving us new chunks of world, a'la dragonspine recipe, with new chars every 1-2 months and I'll be a giddy child for years.


I'd be fine with artifact farming *if* the rates weren't fucking horrible OR we could farm them endlessly without resin. Take all the other stuff out of domains if you have to, but just let me no-lyfe them so I can actually start to hit appreciable statistical values of brute-force instead of the current projection of literal YEARS of time with the current 8 runs/day limit.


This is my feel. It's not "different" than the past recipe. It's just "new." I did the same thing in liyhue and monstadt. Explored them all once and enjoyed it. I have 0 desire to do it again and I also didn't bother farming anything more than bare minimum while doing that exploration.

1) while i appreciate rng is rng i too have to call bullshit on you not getting at least one 'proper' 5* artifact after spending that much resin, it might not have been one you wanted but you will have gotten one in that time.

2) that's your personal bias, i would love to see them change how the game world is balanced at higher levels because trust me the spike in difficulty is real especially if you go into it under levelled and under prepared, what needs to be done i don't know if they are capable of doing because of it being primarily designed for mobile devices and i doubt they can make it work on that platform.

3) while i would love it if i could farm artifact domains all day every day, sadly i doubt they are gonna change the resin system fundamentally to allow players actual choice in the game, so just gonna have to live with what we got for now.

4) i won't spoil stuff for you if your goal is to explore yourself, but if you don't go back and check in many of the out of the way places, not just in dragonspine, but in monstadt and liyue you're missing out on a lot of cool hidden quests and puzzles, not to mention the hidden chests etc you can get alongside that.

[KrayZ33]

Ok so looking at this again with the actual #s, what talent lv did you use to get these #s? What is the thing you wrote about 1% hp as attack at 90% hp? Where is an extra 2k attack from bennett coming from? Lastly, any attack % substats on artifacts would be a negligible increase since her base attack is so low.

The bold part is wrong, It's 2,3ATK less per %ATK than Diluc and 1,5ATK less per %ATK than most 4 stars characters, with that, ATK% is hardly negligible.

I pick a talent lvl of 8 or 9
The thing about 1% HP as ATK at 90% or 5% at 20% is me talking about not knowing how E will work later because we don't have that info available.
The skill info doesn't say anything about a threshold. But it's quite unbelievable that you get the full 5% from talent lvl 8/9 just by clicking it because it's so strong. But that's the info we have at this point in time. The "Gets stronger with lower HP%" info can be completely unrelated to her E. It could be her first passive too, which is a buff to E if we consider that it has the E-skill symbol as a background and some "crit star-effect" on it, or about the weapon she charries, which apparently has a HP% substat and adds 1% ATK for every %HP missing.

Bennett adds up to 1k ATK
the 5k is a rough estimate with really good gear. The 4k with average gear.

2k is baseline without substats and a 4* weapon and E active with 5% HP as ATK and with Plume + Flower already being calculated.
100% HP bonus already adds 772 ATK. 1 Main stat HP% item and 2 substat rolls on HP on every slot (very doable)
A 5* weapon adds another 100-150-ish ATK
So we are at 3k ATK already.
70%-100% ATK is reasonable from both substats AND weapon buffs/noblige etc. etc.
Base ATK is ~780 with a 5* weapon. So +~600 ATK

All that is achievable with Crit% or Critdmg% helmet and an elemental cup and still far away from perfect rolls, but good rolls nonetheless

3,6k without Bennett. - 4,6k with Bennett

[BeepBoo]

1) while i appreciate rng is rng i too have to call bullshit on you not getting at least one 'proper' 5* artifact after spending that much resin, it might not have been one you wanted but you will have gotten one in that time.

Like I said, what I mean when I say "perfect" base-line piece is a 5* that is of the right set that has the right primary stat and all 4 substats that I want.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Imp...ach_attribute/

This is what it takes to get that BEFORE considering that most of them drop with only 3 substats and before any consideration for which of the 4 substats gets upgraded.

"but other ones could be just fine" you don't understand my need for at least having a "perfect" base. As I said, I should be done with this by now for even just my one main (diluc) but I'm nowhere close.

4) i won't spoil stuff for you if your goal is to explore yourself, but if you don't go back and check in many of the out of the way places, not just in dragonspine, but in monstadt and liyue you're missing out on a lot of cool hidden quests and puzzles, not to mention the hidden chests etc you can get alongside that.

I'm pretty sure I've covered all of those hidden things, but again.. those are one-time things. I have no problem with that. It provided me content once for a solid chunk of time like it was supposed to, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about not wanting to go 're-experience" it (or the worse more mundane aspects) of any of those places again. I want it to be like an old-school game level where once I'm done I never go back to it and move on with life unless I want to just for nostalgia (personally, I never would, but I respect that others do and it's an easy thing for devs to do).

[Temp name]

1) while i appreciate rng is rng i too have to call bullshit on you not getting at least one 'proper' 5* artifact after spending that much resin, it might not have been one you wanted but you will have gotten one in that time.

I mean there's no guarantee, really.. I spent over 1000 resin at AR40 on getting 4 piece witch set
Not 4 good pieces
4 pieces.
Yes I got a lot of duplicates, but I went over 1000 resin without getting a 4th item to equip for the set bonus.
Buuuuuut..

Nah, I'm talking just a 5* artifact with the main stat I want and all 4 sub-stats I want before any upgrading.

That's not an excellent item. That's a BIS item. There's a difference.
Excellent is correct mainstat and 2-3 correct substats

[Yunru]

81 rolls uf.....I guess xiangling now goes into trash



....i wanted Mona or the other one tho...

[Big Thanks]

You guys are playing the Artifact game wrong.

This is a godamn CASINO! And as such you should roll the dice as much as possible in hopes it rolls all Crit DMG.
Basically, you are losing on a possible scenario where you get "lucky"

Just feel the adrenaline rushing through your veins and roll the dice as much as possible

A +20 artifact can transform a +0 one into a +18....so you dont lose that much by rolling.
Give in to temptation, or you will never be lucky.

This is coming from the artifact master himself (>_<)

[KrayZ33]

81 rolls uf.....I guess xiangling now goes into trash



....i wanted Mona or the other one tho...

~77 rolls with the update?
How? No longer F2P?

Did you spend your gems on the normal banner? I find that rather risky considering that it's not unlikely to get a weapon.