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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by Kauko View Post
    And regarding the delay... why did they wait for so long? People made vacation plans already, many of us resubbed for multiple months just to throw that money down the drain now? They knew in what state the game was weeks ago and I bet they knew that people always resub a monthy before the release so that waiting till today was just...
    Aren't you surprised they announced it on the first day of Q4? Gotta collect those numbers.

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Gadzooks View Post
    Why not both over-ambitious, and an internal communication issue? They're not mutually exclusive. No clue what the exact issues were, but yeah - a lot of us beta testers called this when they announced the release date.
    The funny thing is that no one was expecting a release date so early in the beginning. Most people were originally expecting late november or early december. So there was no pressure on Blizzard (from the players) to release it in october. It most have been internal pressure that made them take that decision.

  3. #243
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    Quote Originally Posted by keymil View Post
    Yes. That problem is on me. The problem being I took them for enough respectable company to not delay something that's supposed to be released in 27 days.

    The state of the beta was known for weeks and they knew it would be delayed. Instead of doing the right thing and announcing the delay earlier, they waited until 1st days of Q4 JUST TO MAKE SURE people are subbed still.
    Vote with your wallet and stop supporting them. It's what I do when a company offends me enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    I recommend some ice for your feet mate. With the trail of hot takes you're leaving in this thread they must be burning.

  4. #244
    Honestly I’m ok with this. Especially since we r getting prepatch finally. And I just got beta invite.

  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Gadzooks View Post
    Why not both over-ambitious, and an internal communication issue? They're not mutually exclusive. No clue what the exact issues were, but yeah - a lot of us beta testers called this when they announced the release date.
    Why would be a communication issue? It may as well been deliberately postponed up until the very latest possible date (= expected prepatch launch) in order to keep subs active. Like they care about people taking vacation for this shit.
    Last edited by metzger84; 2020-10-01 at 09:59 PM.

  6. #246
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    Honestly this is very good news. With the sweeping massive nerfs recently and changes I really don't think their anywhere close to being ready to release. And kudos to Blizzard for actually realizing this and delaying instead of trying to push and put how a trash release. In case anyone doesn't know what I am talking about let's use Warlock as an example. Throughout all of raid testing most of the data if not all was done for aff specifically as the decimating bolt drain soul build. Arguably very strong if not OP. However with recent nerfs to both necro lords and venthyr for warlocks they literally have no data for aff lock raiding outside of their own internal tests. And this is just the case with one spec for one class. This will give them more time to continue working on classes and covenants and dial back, modify and rework some of these massive sweeping changes they have made over the last couple of weeks and get some more data of the beta testers and the new covenant/spec builds. Believe me I am a little ticked off also that BFA is going to continue but one of our biggest gripes as a community has been about how Blizzard lost sight of quality before profit and have blamed Activision for years. This just shows Blizzard is willing and capable of running their own show and pushing back for a better quality game before release.

  7. #247
    What a relief...

  8. #248
    Fuck you blizzard. You guys have been doing a shit job last years. You fucked up lore, gameplay and even destroyed a great classic by doing a shit remake.
    But now you have reached max level at sucking. You promissed to deliver us shadowlands in 26.10.2020 and FAILED.
    I could expect that from a free to play game. But not from a pay to play game.
    You guys are a fucking deception

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by metzger84 View Post
    You mad, son?
    Happy as a clam, champ.

    Quote Originally Posted by drbatman View Post
    correct, they are wrong no matter what. My analysis is accurate.

    here is a simple version for you:

    If you give me $10,000, I will sell you my truck at the end of the month. then at the end of the month ill change my mind and change the delivery time to some date before end of the year.

    sounds fair right!
    Except your analogy is flawed because they didn't promise SL in October when they launched the pre-order. The per-order explicitly stated "before the end of 2020".

    So your analogy would need to be "if you give me $10,00, I will sell you my truck at the end of the month. Then a few days later I say 'hey I'll get it to you in a week." Then halfway through that week I change my mind and change the delivery time to some date before the end of the month.

    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    Not on one where my duty has been to lie my butt off about project lagging behind schedule. If things have been out of schedule for any reason, the customer/s have been informed about it. This isn't what acti$$ard has done. The singular message for months has been: we're on schedule. On schedule despite corona. Yea, BS. But that's what they chose to tell us the entire time anyway.
    The problem here is you are assuming they lied their butt off when you have no evidence of this. And you haven't worked on large scale projects.

    Quote Originally Posted by Izzyfurious View Post
    I will admit, i would have being a medium amount dissapointed by this delay if they still hadn't made a pre-patch release date. But the fact they also had that, made me feel awesome about this delay.
    Yeah, that was a smart move on their part. Absolutely softened the blow for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Subrias View Post
    sorry what i meant to say was i took a sick day. i never scheduled a whole vacation around it. im not on my high horse, i just think its funny that people schedule vacation around a game instead of actually taking a vacation.
    Especially in the year of COVID, I'm unsure how it's funny that people would use time off to play a game. Not to mention that some people might simply see playing a game to be a good vacation. What people do with their time off is pretty much their own business (unless it involved hurting other people of course).

    Quote Originally Posted by Nachtigal View Post
    anyone berating a company for delaying a game to fix its issues doesn’t really have an opinion worth considering. Delays are to be seen as a good thing.
    You would think with all the people that constantly scream how Expansion <insert name here> was "rushed out the door" and therefore "trash", that a delay would indeed be welcome.

    But alas, this is just another demonstration of how Blizzard probably should just never take things on forums with a grain of salt. People just like to bitch.

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by metzger84 View Post
    Why would be a communication issue? It may as well been deliberately postponed up until the very latest possible date (= expected prepatch launch) in order to keep subs active.
    Because they have a non-standard communication situation currently?

  11. #251
    This is pretty ominous.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Botter View Post
    Vote with your wallet and stop supporting them. It's what I do when a company offends me enough.
    Sadly I pre-purchased SL long ago and I'm eager to play it anyway. But I'm definitely cancelling my sub until the launch.

  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    It won't be 2 months, 1 month maybe, but releasing in december wouldn't work out well. First 2 weeks and you force raid progress during the holidays, last 2 weeks and you're trying to handle an expansion launch around employees being on vacation.
    I'm just guessing.

  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Gadzooks View Post
    I'm betting this releases in the first week of December, with the first raid opening the first week of January. Scourge invasion starts around Thanksgiving.

    I'm in the beta. This was NOT ready for release, it's a buggy mess. All of it needs a lot of work. I'm betting there's going to be some big changes rolling through in all of it - Chromie time, professions, the maw, Torghast, all of it. The only parts that don't need a lot of work are dungeons and the raid. Covenants, soulbinds and conduits are going to see the most changes, even as far as conduits being scrapped outright.

    You don't defy Activision-Blizzard and the shareholders and take the public slam to your reputation over small tweaks and polishing. They hit the emergency brakes, hard. They have to include this in the Q3 shareholder call now, and that's not going to go over well.

    I'm not saying they can't recover. I'm not saying this is a bad thing. But for them to slam on the brakes this late into beta...yeah. You don't do this for another week or two of tweaking.
    That is very possible, yeah. Corona may have hit them harder than they let on, and I strongly doubt the brakes are hit because of poor balance or a few bugs. I believe them when they say it wasn't an easy decision because this might throw off all their post-launch content plans and we know Ion is otherwise pretty on point with that sort of thing under his watch.

    I had a week off to take myself and took it on launch week so RIP, but I'm not angry at all, this year's been a shitshow for everyone, delays happen, and if the xpack was going to be a broken mess on the 26th it is much better to delay it.
    It is all that is left unsaid upon which tragedies are built -Kreia

  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by zRares View Post
    Could have announced it earlier before people actually took time off from work... a lot of people just f'ed their vacation time...
    Haha, vacation time for video games.

    I hope you find something more important than that in life.

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Crushima View Post
    Haha, vacation time for video games.

    I hope you find something more important than that in life.
    Says the guy wasting his time on a videogame forum.

  17. #257
    Disappointed to see it delayed this close to launch, but if it needs more time then so be it.

  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    It won't be 2 months, 1 month maybe, but releasing in december wouldn't work out well. First 2 weeks and you force raid progress during the holidays, last 2 weeks and you're trying to handle an expansion launch around employees being on vacation.
    The first raid doesn't open on release. Uldir released 3 weeks after BfA opened, I just looked it up. So if they open Shadowlands the week of Dec 1st, a release of the Castle Nathria would be fine the week of Dec 31st, or the week of January 1st.

    They don't have to worry about Blizzcon, either, as it's pushed back to Feb, and can do 'What's next" and patch 9.1 stuff. In fact, them pushing the online Blizzcon back to Feb made me think they were pushing it just in case SL was delayed.

    The raid, as it stands right now in the Beta, is ready to go. They can release it whenever. I'd bet the world first and mythic raiders would be okay with tackling it after the holidays. But it would be way less fun with everything else being broken and half-finished, during the holidays.

  19. #259
    I hope its delayed untill christmas. Got 2 weeks vacation there. noice!

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    Great news!!
    Now where are all those people that said “No way will they postpone it”.
    I just hope it’s not too late to reschedule the holiday

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