Proof of Hunter and Joe Biden corruption emerges

[Machismo]

They don’t realise that if they repeal 230 and make a Twitter into a ‘publisher’, they’re gonna get banned 24/7.

This is something that Trump and his cultists don't get... Section 230 is why the internet exists. If a website is liable for all the shit people post, then they will simply stop letting people post.

This is a relatively small site, but even then, it would take a massive amount of manpower to try and read every post, to ensure that someone didn't say something that could et the site in trouble. Every treat, every call for violence, every false or libelous claim.

Now, extrapolate that out to Facebook or Twitter, with literally billions of posts/comments a day between the two. With twitter alone, you'd need hundreds of thousands of moderators to keep the site going at its current rate (because no algorithm could easily catch all the content they'd be responsible for).

Now, let's take a more old-school chat-style format, like Reddit. It still has millions of comments/posts per day. If a moderator was given 30 seconds per post, they are reading less than 1000 posts a day (assuming no actions need to be taken on any of them). That means they would need thousands upon thousands of moderators... and who the hell would do that for free?

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It's not "the Twitter format". It's literally all social media. Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, comment sections, all systems that allow members of the public to provide reviews/ratings, all forums of any format whatsoever. Literally any kind of service that allows anyone but the service provider to express their views publicly in any way whatsoever.

I won't say "it would kill the Internet", because that's ridiculously USA-centric. It would essentially cut the USA off from the rest of the global Internet, however, in much the same way that China's Great Firewall does, and for pretty similar reasons.

So it's not really surprising, I guess, that it's the authoritarian proto-fascists pushing for this idea. Free expression is anathema to their cause.

This right here.

It would kill the internet... for Americans. It would mean that no site would allow others the ability to post to that site, so the internet would be noting more than a storefront, with no dialogue.

This site's forum would be gone, as would all the other forums.

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I find it hilarious that you don't understand the difference between a platform and a publisher.

Please show the law that makes such a distinction.

I'll wait.

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Prager U and other Far Right nuters and grifters: "Ya we repealed Section 230 now Twitter and Youtube can't remove/demonetize our posts and videos!"

*Finds everything gone with a note from the sites: "You are right with Section 230 gone we can no longer remove/demonetize your stuff because we had to shut down the sites because we can't afford to take on the legal liability for everyone who uses our sites. Enjoy your victory because you now have nothing left."

Prager U and other Far Right nuters and grifters: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!"

If the push for repealing Section 230 gets stronger, or the Trumpsters try and take it away from social media companies, those sites should have a "Day without 230," and show what it would be like. Don't allow people to post, and just have a banner up that says if Section 230 goes away, so does that site. Get every site with a comments section to do the same.

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You think Reddit can survive with literally every post approved by a human moderator? Not to mention, subreddit mods are currently volunteers, whereas under a new format, Reddit would be responsible for training them to suss out what's legally acceptable to be posted as factual, and what's not.

Hell, while I don't speak for this forum or the business aspects of it, I don't think MMOC would survive it either. They don't pay us, yanno, we're all volunteer, and I sure as shit am not gonna approve every post in my subforum for factual correctness, and I don't even mod this forum, which is one of the highest trafficked ones.

You're asking for a higher bar of not only moderation, but moderators, as well. It's impossible.

This is what the Trumpsters don't realize, websites would have zero incentive to keep forums and chat available.

They don't think about it like that, they just want to be able to say what they want, and not be banned. In reality, it will simply mean everyone is banned.

I always counter with making it physical. Imagine owning a restaurant, and being legally responsible for every word your customers say to one another.

[Felya]

I guess only time will tell...

This has all been investigated years ago... Trump even got impeached over it.

[Adam Jensen]

I wonder @57State's opinions about Trump claiming that brave American soldiers took over British airfields in the revolutionary war a good ~120 years before the invention of the airplane, or that the 1918 pandemic helped end World War 2, despite occurring almost two decades before WW2 started.

Though I do honestly doubt we'll ever see that burner account again.

Hol' up.

Not the 1918 pandemic. No. Trump can't even get that right. He claimed it was the 1917 pandemic

Twice.

[Sunseeker]

Why is this thread still open? What is there to discuss? The misleading title and this thread remaining in recent posts simply serves to legitimize the bullshit, which at this point every network except right-wing ones have dropped.

[Machismo]

Even Fox news is now saying that it's probably bullshit, but they are still upset that more people aren't talking about the bullshit.

[Endus]

Moderated forums that can actually moderate content can potentially survive. Which means either smaller forums or bigger moderator teams.

Taking down content on complains from relevant authorities is also well-established practice.

Then you don't have any comprehension of what we're talking about.

Without Section 230, sites can be held liable for things posted to their system. That doesn't mean you need a moderation team to take things down quickly if they break the site rules or the law, it means the moment anything is posted through your services, you share liability for that message. Some user got upset with site administration after 6 years of being a good user and posted child pornography embedded into his post? That means everyone who owns the site is now responsible for the posting and distribution of child pornography. Even if it's removed and the user banned within 30 seconds of it being posted.

Without section 230, sites would be obliged to shift to an approval system for posting, where a moderator has to actively approve any particular post before it actually gets posted. This would also have to be paid positions, because they're responsible for your company's survival and managing its liability, in a legal sense; that brings liability issues onto themselves, and you'd have to be an idiot to do that for free.

There would be no "taking down content on complaints from relevant authorities". There would be court orders forcing the site to shut down completely, for civil suits, and officers getting arrest warrants for everyone who owns the site at least and likely everyone who works at the site in any capacity that would have been involved with this in the case of criminal actions, like the child pornography example I used.

Total protection of some entities goes well beyond sensible levels..

What "entities", pray tell?

Because the status quo is just that websites are free to manage their own membership, as long as they don't run afoul of contract law (unlikely, if they had a lawyer review their terms before issuing them, and particularly if they aren't charging users directly for access), or protected class legislation (and being an abusive carbunkle is not a protected class).

[apeiron1234]

You're dead wrong. It's already been proven fake. This isn't some, 'maybe just maybe' situation.

EDIT: Nevermind, you're a Trump supporter. No lie is too big for you. Another for the ignore list.

Um okay? Have a nice day I guess.

[Felya]

So... with this story taking a turn for ‘how hot is Hunter Biden’... is this the return of ‘heroin chic’? Is Kate Mose still alive enough for a comeback?

[eschatological]

Having a moderator team being required before starting any new subreddit? Definitely net plus.

Also, rather then single entity you could have Reddit separate as actual service provider (providing no moderation themselves, but only a service for forum-like discussions, with servers, databases, and ad systems) with subreddits (and their moderator teams) being actual entities responding to legal complaints - as conservative complaints "how can they enjoy 230 protections?!" stem from what they see as arbitrary enforcement by those big entities.

You're saying that traditional media that does not enjoy such protections is impossible.

It's possible; it's just not effortless.

Look at forum threads as opinion pieces.

Traditional media essentially hires their "post writers." The NYT doesn't let anyone publish anything on their pages. They hire people to investigate, verify, and write their stories, and then these are examined and vetted by layers of editors above them.

[Zan15]

This is something that Trump and his cultists don't get... Section 230 is why the internet exists. If a website is liable for all the shit people post, then they will simply stop letting people post.

This is a relatively small site, but even then, it would take a massive amount of manpower to try and read every post, to ensure that someone didn't say something that could et the site in trouble. Every treat, every call for violence, every false or libelous claim.

SNIP

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It goes even farther than that just on your first point.

Even after all that good faith effort is put in....people are assholes.....they will still sue and it will result in huge legal fees.

That is why there are so many lawsuit commercials on TV no matter how ridiculous. These lawyers will file a suit even for just a few bucks profit/charges and companies will have to deal with that cost.

Anyone think MMO can handle hundreds of stupid lawsuits a month just from comments on a stupid fucking message board?

Remember media companies get fucking fined for the fucking F word hits live air before 10pm. Howard stern got fined for 2 million dollars for a few suggestive things he did on the air and "words".....

Want internet companies treated the same way as media companies, my god the internet will be basically READ ONLY.

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Traditional media essentially hires their "post writers." The NYT doesn't let anyone publish anything on their pages. They hire people to investigate, verify, and write their stories, and then these are examined and vetted by layers of editors above them.

even worse than that now.

they pay independent contractors to write stories and sign hold harmless agreements. NYT can wash their hands of everything the author says with them being independent.

[Hammerfest]

Because it's all bogus, that's why. I haven't confirmed, but apparently the "emails" are riddled with red flags indicating forgeries, and the origin of the hard drive is deeply suspect.

Wow, you sound like Alex Jones when Obama's certificate of birth dropped.

[Felya]

Wow, you sound like Alex Jones when Obama's certificate of birth dropped.

Did Obama’s birth certificate come from some random repair shop, that then lost the computer? Why did Alex Jones question his birth certificate again?

[postman1782]

Did Obama’s birth certificate come from some random repair shop, that then lost the computer? Why did Alex Jones question his birth certificate again?

Not only that, the Metadata showed that the emails were created after the laptop was supposedly dropped off. Which means, it was either put on the laptop after by the Pro-Trump repairman or it was made by Guiliani and Bannon. So anyone that is believing Guiliani, Bannon, the Repairman, or New York Post, is technically Alex Jones in this analogy.

[Felya]

Not only that, the Metadata showed that the emails were created after the laptop was supposedly dropped off. Which means, it was either put on the laptop after by the Pro-Trump repairman or it was made by Guiliani and Bannon. So anyone that is believing Guiliani, Bannon, the Repairman, or New York Post, is technically Alex Jones in this analogy.

How did Trump react to Obama’s birth cert? Fuck Alex Jones... Trump is the one that offered money for it and claimed he had the “real” birth certificate.

Edit: At this point, you just have to want to be lied to. Did Trump lose a single supporter that believed him about Obama’s birth certificate? It’s a hoax, just like the flu, will go away by summer, liberate Michigan? Did all the lying he admitted to, because he thought Americans were panic ridden children that needed to be scared of Antifa, hurt him at all? No... 0 shame... 0 remorse... still the herald of chloroquine...

[draynay]

Wow, you sound like Alex Jones when Obama's certificate of birth dropped.

Did it drop off the edge of the world?

[TigTone]

Did it drop off the edge of the world?

It was magically teleported to the other side.

[postman1782]

How did Trump react to Obama’s birth cert? Fuck Alex Jones... Trump is the one that offered money for it and claimed he had the “real” birth certificate.

At this point, you just have to want to be lied to.

Trump kept pushing the birtherism after the short and long form BCs were released. He kept going for over 5 years until the election, kept saying he had evidence that Obama wasn't a citizen, then when he got elected, he quietly dropped it and said Obama was a US citizen after people like Hammerfest believed him.

And it wouldn't surprise me if Hammerfest believes this crap, considering he listens to PJW and Mark Dice, one works for Infowars, and the other is an Illuminati conspiracy theorist.

[Felya]

Trump kept pushing the birtherism after the short and long form BCs were released. He kept going for over 5 years until the election, kept saying he had evidence that Obama wasn't a citizen, then when he got elected, he quietly dropped it and said Obama was a US citizen after people like Hammerfest believed him.

And it wouldn't surprise me if Hammerfest believes this crap, considering he listens to PJW and Mark Dice, one works for Infowars, and the other is an Illuminati conspiracy theorist.

I get the believing... I really do... but, how many times does this man have to lie to you, before you wise the fuck up?

[Thelxi]

The tantrum that the GOP is throwing because everyone with half a brain is ignoring this is hilarious. What a hill to die on.

[Edge-]

Wow, you sound like Alex Jones when Obama's certificate of birth dropped.

Those are some words that I'm sure you think mean something. But I'm not sure what you think they mean, can you clarify?