McConnell the Father of Poverty; US Poor Grows by 6 Million

[Milchshake]

Somehow McConnell has held onto power since stating open contempt for the working class since the 2008 crisis.
And then they follow through on that hatred.

After an ambitious expansion of the safety net in the spring saved millions of people from poverty, the aid is now largely exhausted and poverty has returned to levels higher than before the coronavirus crisis, two new studies have found.

The number of poor people has grown by eight million since May, according to researchers at Columbia University, after falling by four million at the pandemic’s start as a result of a $2 trillion emergency package known as the Cares Act.

Using a different definition of poverty, researchers from the University of Chicago and Notre Dame found that poverty has grown by six million people in the past three months, with circumstances worsening most for Black people and children.

Significantly, the studies differ on the most recent month: While the Columbia model shows an improvement in September, the Chicago and Notre Dame analysts found poverty continued to grow.

“These numbers are very concerning,” said Bruce D. Meyer, an economist at the University of Chicago and an author of the study. “They tell us people are having a lot more trouble paying their bills, paying their rent, putting food on the table.”

The recent rise in poverty has occurred despite an improving job market, an indiction that the economy has been rebounding too slowly to offset the lost benefits. The Democratic House has twice passed multitrillion-dollar packages to provide more help and to stimulate the economy, but members of a divided Republican Senate, questioning the cost and necessity, have proposed smaller plans. President Trump has alternately demanded that Congress “go big” before the elections and canceled negotiations.

That Republicans are willing to lose the Senate and the presidency rather than stop people from descending into poverty says all you need to know about this party.

[SirBeef]

Somehow McConnell has held onto power since stating open contempt for the working class since the 2008 crisis.
And then they follow through on that hatred.

After an ambitious expansion of the safety net in the spring saved millions of people from poverty, the aid is now largely exhausted and poverty has returned to levels higher than before the coronavirus crisis, two new studies have found.

The number of poor people has grown by eight million since May, according to researchers at Columbia University, after falling by four million at the pandemic’s start as a result of a $2 trillion emergency package known as the Cares Act.

Using a different definition of poverty, researchers from the University of Chicago and Notre Dame found that poverty has grown by six million people in the past three months, with circumstances worsening most for Black people and children.

Significantly, the studies differ on the most recent month: While the Columbia model shows an improvement in September, the Chicago and Notre Dame analysts found poverty continued to grow.

“These numbers are very concerning,” said Bruce D. Meyer, an economist at the University of Chicago and an author of the study. “They tell us people are having a lot more trouble paying their bills, paying their rent, putting food on the table.”

The recent rise in poverty has occurred despite an improving job market, an indiction that the economy has been rebounding too slowly to offset the lost benefits. The Democratic House has twice passed multitrillion-dollar packages to provide more help and to stimulate the economy, but members of a divided Republican Senate, questioning the cost and necessity, have proposed smaller plans. President Trump has alternately demanded that Congress “go big” before the elections and canceled negotiations.

That Republicans are willing to lose the Senate and the presidency rather than stop people from descending into poverty says all you need to know about this party.

But both sides....

Facts are facts. Dems help the working class, the GOP destroys it. John brown and come cry a river about some minute statistic or about his pay not getting better under Obama or some other shit while clutching his pearls because Buden isn't left of Marx. But it's still facts. If you want a stronger working class you vote blue.

[Mihalik]

But both sides....

Facts are facts. Dems help the working class, the GOP destroys it. John brown and come cry a river about some minute statistic or about his pay not getting better under Obama or some other shit while clutching his pearls because Buden isn't left of Marx. But it's still facts. If you want a stronger working class you vote blue.

If you want to live in a first world developed nation existing on a habitable planet Earth you'd be voting Democrat.

If you want to live in a fascist hellscape of poverty, oppression, religious lunacy existing on Earth that is pretty much utterly hostile to human life, then you vote Republican.

Cuz you know... something about transgender people in the bathroom, guns and walls.

[JohnBrown1917]

But both sides....

Facts are facts. Dems help the working class, the GOP destroys it. John brown and come cry a river about some minute statistic or about his pay not getting better under Obama or some other shit while clutching his pearls because Buden isn't left of Marx. But it's still facts. If you want a stronger working class you vote blue.

As much as the Go is far worse and just pure out fascists, that does not change that the democrats have no interest in actually doing anything that would close the wealth gap. And I dont see anybody proving those stats wrong, ones that clearly show that wealth gaps have been increasing, worldwide, no matter the government in power in this worlds most powerfull countries.


Something funny about how multiple posters on this forum using anarcho-communist avatars keep defending democrats. Lesser evil'ism does not really work if you ignore all critism of your beloved.

[Milchshake]

Breaking News!

McConnell Won’t Support $1.8 Trillion White House Stimulus Bill—Even If Pelosi And Trump Make A Deal

Andrew Yang, Ro Khanna, Wolf Blitzer, and their twitter posse of Cosplay Socialists are crying somewhere.

"But Mr. McConnell, we said please Sir."

[Edge-]

Andrew Yang, Ro Khanna, Wolf Blitzer, and their twitter posse of Cosplay Socialists are crying somewhere.

Andrew Yang, Ro Khanna, Wolf Blitzer, and the others tomorrow, probably: "Yeah, well if she'd have taken the deal from the beginning McConnell would have passed it."

[Gestopft]

Well, if they wanted to not be poor, they should've just donated tens of thousands of dollars to the GOP. Simple.

[Themius]

Andrew Yang, Ro Khanna, Wolf Blitzer, and the others tomorrow, probably: "Yeah, well if she'd have taken the deal from the beginning McConnell would have passed it."

Lawrence O’Donnell interview opening with Nancy was amazing. Calling all of them out without saying their names.

[Krakan]

You can't save something that is doomed regardless.

If you really want to help the working poor you have to take drastic and severe measures to crush globalization. You need in essence to wall off your country and immediately begin opening and training production rolls with any forgien good being heavily taxed to the point it is always advantageous to buy locally.

Unless your willing to do that the best you can offer is stop gap solutions till the working poor have the same quality of life as the ones who are for all purpose slave labor.

[Elegiac]

You need in essence to wall off your country and immediately begin opening and training production rolls with any forgien good being heavily taxed to the point it is always advantageous to buy locally.

How's that working for North Korea.

Also, you forgot your parentheses around globalization if you're going to push that nonsense.

[Krakan]

How's that working for North Korea.

Also, you forgot your parentheses around globalization if you're going to push that nonsense.

Why would it be in parentheses? Labor has a set value. If I can get something done for 1$ by one person and the same job done by another for 15$ I'm never hiring the 15...

You can't have an economy of people only consuming without producing something of equal or greater value to it.

[eschatological]

You cannot stop globalization, even if you wanted to.

The world is too small, in terms of communication, shipping, and every other facet of life outside of commerce. Globalization (as an economic system) is a consequence of the shrinking of the globe, and how easy it is to make raw materials, ship them, manufacture a product, ship them somewhere else, and sell them.

To became economically isolationist in the current world is to suffer hyperinflation to points unsustainable, and would throw our economy into chaos.

That's why the point is to try, through "fair trade" to bring up 3rd world countries to the standards of the U.S. as much as possible, without strangling their growth so they can eventually be equitable partners on the global economic stage. Because capitalism (which is all globalism is, on a worldwide scale) only works if everyone starts from the same starting point. And that's what agreements like the TPP aimed to do.

The everyday steel/coal worker in America might not understand this, but our experts do, and Democrats listened to our experts. And then Mr. Trump came and ripped it all down in the name of "protecting" our workers, when he just ratfucked them hard by making them unable to compete on a global scale at all without any sort of legal framework guiding our importing and exporting.

This is all basic international economic law, which you think someone in the Presidential Administration of the most powerful country in the world would understand (and someone probably does, but doesn't care) and do to protect American workers' interests.

[Shalcker]

You cannot stop globalization, even if you wanted to.

The world is too small, in terms of communication, shipping, and every other facet of life outside of commerce. Globalization (as an economic system) is a consequence of the shrinking of the globe, and how easy it is to make raw materials, ship them, manufacture a product, ship them somewhere else, and sell them.

To became economically isolationist in the current world is to suffer hyperinflation to points unsustainable, and would throw our economy into chaos.

Plenty of targeted measures still work. Like tariffs on foreign goods (which neither cause hyperinflation nor throw economies into chaos).

That's why the point is to try, through "fair trade" to bring up 3rd world countries to the standards of the U.S. as much as possible, without strangling their growth so they can eventually be equitable partners on the global economic stage. Because capitalism (which is all globalism is, on a worldwide scale) only works if everyone starts from the same starting point. And that's what agreements like the TPP aimed to do.

Globalism proceeding means everyone in US ending up lower as labor and service prices equalize.

"Headstart" bonus isn't going to last forever.

The everyday steel/coal worker in America might not understand this, but our experts do, and Democrats listened to our experts. And then Mr. Trump came and ripped it all down in the name of "protecting" our workers, when he just ratfucked them hard by making them unable to compete on a global scale at all without any sort of legal framework guiding our importing and exporting.

Competition and lowest possible price is not the end in itself; economies can work as long as goods produced are affordable.

[eschatological]

Globalism proceeding means everyone in US ending up lower as labor and service prices equalize.

"Headstart" bonus isn't going to last forever.

Competition and lowest possible price is not the end in itself; economies can work as long as goods produced are affordable.

Globalism can't "proceed" as long as exploitative 1st world countries (like the U.S.) prevent substantive changes in their 3rd world manufacturing bases to keep expenses low. Multinationals fight the progress that might come from a unionized labor force (largely unheard of in the 3rd world), and 3rd world governments appease these companies to line their own pockets at the cost of their citizens well-being. Artificially, this suppresses and stifles real competition, as no 1st world wage worker can compete with the oppressed workforce of the 3rd world. Nor should those 1st world workers feel the pressure to dumpster dive to penny wages to compete - as those wages are literal slave wages that are only excused by Americans because it isn't Americans earning them.

America's role, as a leader, should be to insist, legally, through the framework of various trade deals, that these countries be better, if they want to do business with the U.S. (or the EU, or any other major power).

BTW, this happens as a microcosm in the U.S. I'm from the Rust Belt, once the steel manufacturing center of the U.S. NAFTA has created a net surplus of jobs in the U.S., but you wouldn't know it here in the Rust Belt. Most of the jobs lost in the Rust Belt have been lost not to Mexico or other countries.......but other states in the U.S. who don't support unionized work forces. Jobs from NY, Michigan, and Ohio fled not across the border with Mexico, but across the border of Texas, Tennessee, and Kentucky. This happened with Reagan's inhumane union busting in the 80s, and, not coincidentally, it parallels the rise of the necessity of two-income households in the U.S. for the average American household to survive.

[Mihalik]

You can't save something that is doomed regardless.

If you really want to help the working poor you have to take drastic and severe measures to crush globalization. You need in essence to wall off your country and immediately begin opening and training production rolls with any forgien good being heavily taxed to the point it is always advantageous to buy locally.

Unless your willing to do that the best you can offer is stop gap solutions till the working poor have the same quality of life as the ones who are for all purpose slave labor.

That is by far the single dumbest fucking thing you could ever even attempt. By far.

I'd have to literally write an Economics 101 text book to even begin to explain why that is utterly retarded. Congratulations you just pulled off a Gish Gallop.

International trade is good, that has been self evident since literally the Bronze Age. In the modern age there have been 3 states that even remotely attempted the whole self reliance nonsense. Communist Albania, North Korea and Mugabe's Zimbabwe, an illustrious group of misery, poverty and oppression.

[Shalcker]

Globalism can't "proceed" as long as exploitative 1st world countries (like the U.S.) prevent substantive changes in their 3rd world manufacturing bases to keep expenses low. Multinationals fight the progress that might come from a unionized labor force (largely unheard of in the 3rd world), and 3rd world governments appease these companies to line their own pockets at the cost of their citizens well-being. Artificially, this suppresses and stifles real competition, as no 1st world wage worker can compete with the oppressed workforce of the 3rd world. Nor should those 1st world workers feel the pressure to dumpster dive to penny wages to compete - as those wages are literal slave wages that are only excused by Americans because it isn't Americans earning them.

"It is not real competition if you don't provide them same benefits"? EU provides a lot better benefits to their workforce then US and seems to be doing okay.

In fact US benefits are abysmal compared to US cost of living. You could even make a case that plenty of Russians do better then Americans.

Profit extraction by US companies isn't limited to third world, fair part of it is domestic. And that can be (potentially) fixed on US side rather then world side.

America's role, as a leader, should be to insist, legally, through the framework of various trade deals, that these countries be better, if they want to do business with the U.S. (or the EU, or any other major power).

That doesn't work though. Both TPP and TTIP failed.

Current US "leading" position is not sustainable, and trying to solidify it through special rules for US interests isn't going to fly. Trying to maintain it through intimidation isn't going to work for long either.

There is no way for US population but down.

BTW, this happens as a microcosm in the U.S. I'm from the Rust Belt, once the steel manufacturing center of the U.S. NAFTA has created a net surplus of jobs in the U.S., but you wouldn't know it here in the Rust Belt. Most of the jobs lost in the Rust Belt have been lost not to Mexico or other countries.......but other states in the U.S. who don't support unionized work forces. Jobs from NY, Michigan, and Ohio fled not across the border with Mexico, but across the border of Texas, Tennessee, and Kentucky. This happened with Reagan's inhumane union busting in the 80s, and, not coincidentally, it parallels the rise of the necessity of two-income households in the U.S. for the average American household to survive.

Race for the bottom at it's finest.

[PC2]

Mitch McConnell isn't causing poor people to be poor though. Being poor means the person doesn't have the knowledge to generate a decent income and blaming the Republicans for that is called scapegoating.

[Attackrabbit]

Being poor means the person doesn't have the knowledge to generate a decent income

Yes, clearly all poor people are just stupid...

[PC2]

Yes, clearly all poor people are just stupid...

Not necessarily because a poor person could be highly intelligent and have a college degree while still lacking useful knowledge in a marketable field.

[jonnysensible]

Mitch McConnell isn't causing poor people to be poor though. Being poor means the person doesn't have the knowledge to generate a decent income and blaming the Republicans for that is called scapegoating.

*snipped*

pls no