wait, are you saying they've fallen victim to the evil family in 'Get Out'?
wait, are you saying they've fallen victim to the evil family in 'Get Out'?
I fee like this is a bait post. Why does this need to be a post exactly? Just seems like a post made to bait people into arguments and honestly doesn't need to be a post.
Based on the information that came out over the weekend, they just don't care about the players or their feedback despite begging players to be active on alpha/beta and ptr. They're apparently actively badmouthing the players who provide any form of feedback that don't align with whatever they want to do, so why continue to throw money at a dead horse imho.
This doesn't seem like a very rational or unbiased summary of Blizzard's situation. Also it's "laid off" and "leg to stand on".
Is OW dead? I'm skeptical about that. HotS was never particularly successful, and all MOBAs are down massively from the peak in which it launched (even LoL and DotA2 are down hugely). SC2 seems to be a planned ending.
Claiming SL is "BfA 2.0" and will come out in 2021 is pretty wild. No doubt you'll magically forget you ever claimed that when neither comes true.
Diablo IV is on the way and I presume SC3 or WC4 or whatever are somewhere in the pipeline. I have no idea if OW2 will be successful or a trashfire.
Last I heard they had several hundred developers, possibly over a thousand (something like 2000 employees). I'm guessing you're French from the odd grammar errors and raging about Blizzard Versailles, but those people were not developers.
Also how could you miss the obvious "WoW is in limbo" joke re: Shadowlands being literally set in the WoW equivalent of limbo. That's just not trying!
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Considering it's current ones who have anonymously come out and said this to the media not just former I think I'll find this more believable than some random person on the internet.
But keep defending that company that treats it's long time employees like dirt. Strange to see but you do you I guess.....
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Felt the urge to touch on this in particular.
I don't think positive is really the correct word, which might lead to a bit of confusion.
Constructive feedback. That's what Blizzard needs. Constructive discourse. That's what needs to take place between players on forums like this, or between players and Blizzard through the official forums. This thread, and the people like you who make them, don't inspire constructive discourse. It inspires raw toxicity. Its only purpose is to inspire raw toxicity, from both sides of the fence. Regardless of whether or not you intended to be toxic, or if you're just having an emotional fit because of (understandable) frustration and just took a blind shit on your keyboard before clicking Create Thread, "topics" like this only sit within the range between "part of the problem" and "nowhere near a solution".
I'm not defending Blizzard and their decisions, by the way. Negative feedback can be constructive. Emotional discourse can be constructive. You opened up this thread with "I'm not usually negative, but..." to bolster your pedestal and try to mask your subsequent headfirst dive into rancid and puerile negativity, before patting yourself on the back for a job well done afterwards. That's... not constructive, to say the very least. It's clever, in a disgusting way. Probably unintentional. But it's not constructive.
I didn't like BFA very much, and I'm pretty iffy on a few things about Shadowlands the closer we get to it. But regardless of whether or not (or how badly) Blizzard is fucking up, they need more constructive feedback, and they need to listen to it (which they have, in many important cases over Shadowland's development, and hopefully still will). And equally importantly, forums, both official and not, need more constructive discourse, and less of this.
Blizzard cannot win with some people. If it had launched with the bugs people would have gone ballistic, if it gets delayed to fix bugs people go ballistic. I am sure even if it had launched perfect without any bugs, with perfect balance, people would have found something to complain about, because people like you WANT to complain.
I am sure, you as game director for a multi-billion dollar company, know everything about these systems and how they work, what their limitations are and how COVID is affecting the implementation of that.
Very sorry that us mere mortals are not seeing how Blizzard is obviously intentionally sabotaging itself because they don't want people to play their product.
Not to mention that we are talking just about the per-patch the expansion launch has been very smooth for both Legion and BFA.
No. They keep producing their game. They are just not producing the game the way you demand them to and you cannot fathom how any opinion besides your own should be valid in this regard, so you throw a tantrum with lots of caps and exclamation marks.
Sorry, I will try to reduce the complexity of my posts. Obviously I meant that classes feel fine DESPITE loosing the unnatural bonus of Corruption and DESPITE not being at max level with several passives missing. Meaning they will be more then fine when we are leveled and have our covenant abilities.
Apart from some details the judgement of people who actually know their stuff (not here in the forums) have been quite positive. And the pre-patch will have content. We know it will, because it was on the PTR already.
If you ask such a question then I can't believe you ever worked for such a company. You don't just "stop" making mistakes and wrong decisions. The best you can do is minimize their impact and learn from them. If you give an honest less rage-fuelled look at what Blizzard has done with the latest few expansions then you will realize that is exactly what they did. Obviously you will not, but that is how it goes.
I'm sorry, there's a lot of replies coming in, I have troubles dancing between my tasks and keeping track properly. I haven't seen this reply.
Not exactly sure what you refer to, but if you're talking about Isle of Quel'Danas, that was a brilliant way to handle the situation. New zone which was incredibly fun due to the gankfest. Buildings to unlock through mutual realm efforts. New dungeon with decent catchup gear. New PvP season AND a whole raid.
I'm talking about the fact TBC was delayed from it's original release date and pushed back to the following year.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2006/10...rusade-delayed
Literally their co-founder and CEO left and built a new company, and their statement said:
“We’re almost trying to create a haven for creators who want an environment that is development friendly, values product, and player experience over short-term financial pressures,”
Acti-Blizzard is not a development/player-oriented studio anymore, it's a mega corporate that exists solely for money. And this is without pointing at them as some evil manufacturer. They are doing what they're doing as a corporate. Cut corners as much as possible, make products for profit and profit only, and try to give us, the players, candies that give us a dose to subscribe again because "see? they didn't change, they listen to us."
Most of the founding members literally couldn't stand how their company has changed and left, this is already nuffsaid, sadly.
Taking a guess here but i'm thinking he is refering to TBC being delayed.
There is nothing i respect more then a company willing to postpone an already set release date because they want to make the quality of their product better.
At the same time i'm struggeling to understand how that can ever be a fuck-up or a negative thing.
You are kidding yourself if you think they couldnt just release it as is and fix it down the line. They made the choice not to release their product because they wanted to make sure it was a better product for you.
Extremism and radicalisation is the bane of society
Every second company treats it's employees like dirt. I am not saying that is okay, but it's what is happening all around the globe. Even if that is going on at Blizzard (and anonymous sources are always suspect at best, anyone could have fabricated that stuff) it's not special.
The corporate world is shit, people are exploited and treated like nothing more then numbers, managers are getting fat by working very little while employees are paid a joke and do all the work. This is just the way it works in our society and screaming about it happening at one company just because this one comes to your attention will not change it.
Yep. And as I mentioned earlier. Even current employees anonymously came out and said a boatload about how deep Activision are pulling the strings over there. And a load of former employees.
You can just tell the passion isn't there anymore at Blizzard and it's all about squeezing every penny out. Just look at BFA and how negatively received it was, look at WC3 Reforged and how it's got one of the worst review scores of all time or how they announced a shit phone game to a crowd of fans and even they hated it.
Yet apparently somehow that's still not believable to some people......
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You are talking about the co-founder who made the deal to sell the company. The co-founder who lead the company through all the stuff we have now. The one who bailed and laid the blame on someone else.
Yeah... Lets see what they are gonna produce without some of the creative people who actually originally created warcraft. I'm guessing absolutely nothing.
Extremism and radicalisation is the bane of society
I can agree to that. Though additionally to constructive I still think a bit of positive feedback would be nice too. I mean the Devs are literally getting attacked here and in other forums for every decision they make, it does not even matter what about. There are always people who dislike it and they are usually the loudest. Can people even imagine how the Devs must feel if they are constantly bombarded with so much negativity? How would people like the OP enjoy getting told every day what a shitty job he is doing?
I assume they are getting trained to just ignore it or practice Zen. Otherwise I have no idea how they are not all heavily depressed.