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  1. #101
    Considering that a lot of blizzard is currently on strike against activision... that may also have something to do with the delay.

  2. #102
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    Nov 1-7 - Election week
    Nov 8-14 - too soon no content because of Console launches
    Nov 15-21 - too soon no content because cyberpunk competition
    Nov 22-28 - Thanksgiving week no content
    Dec 29-5 - too soon for release, maybe pre-patch part 2
    Dec 6-12 - too soon for release, maybe pre-patch part 2
    Dec 13-19 - too soon for release, maybe pre-patch part 2
    Dec 20-26 -too soon for release, maybe pre-patch part 2
    Dec 27-2 - Christmas week/New Years
    Jan 3-9 - probably not ready for launch coming off Xmas/NY's
    Jan 10-16 - Launch week release Jan 12th (imo)

    Any longer and hype will be gone and it will be a dead launch compared to expansions past. Between all the competition and holidays I don't expect the launch until January unfortunately.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Agrossive View Post
    Nov 1-7 - Election week
    Nov 8-14 - too soon no content because of Console launches
    Nov 15-21 - too soon no content because cyberpunk competition
    Nov 22-28 - Thanksgiving week no content
    Dec 29-5 - too soon for release, maybe pre-patch part 2
    Dec 6-12 - too soon for release, maybe pre-patch part 2
    Dec 13-19 - too soon for release, maybe pre-patch part 2
    Dec 20-26 -too soon for release, maybe pre-patch part 2
    Dec 27-2 - Christmas week/New Years
    Jan 3-9 - probably not ready for launch coming off Xmas/NY's
    Jan 10-16 - Launch week release Jan 12th (imo)

    Any longer and hype will be gone and it will be a dead launch compared to expansions past. Between all the competition and holidays I don't expect the launch until January unfortunately.
    Most of your arguments here are just "i think its too soon".

    Doesnt seem to be much thought process behind this at all

  4. #104
    Honestly i truly hope it doesn't go into 2021.
    Yeah, i am glad for the delay and i think it was a great move by Blizzard but if i could, i would step my foot into the new zones and experience all the new quests, lore, things to do today. I am just so ready to leave BfA behind even with the pre patch being live.

    I wish it will come in Dec.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Lol "possibly up to 5 months", if they delay to 2021, it'll be Jan. Its not in THAT bad of shape.
    How do you know this and why are you stating it was fact? Couple weeks ago it was impossible to delay at all lol.
    In that same tune. I know it will be delayed to 2021. Start of Q2. Prove it wrong or prove yourself right. I'll wait

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylenna View Post
    even if these 'disgruntled' players could even mount a lawsuit due to the december 31st date, it would never go through. maybe a fine, maybe some gesture towards the players might come out of that. but when a game is not ready, it is not ready.

    imagine the outcries when the date gets pushed to 2021. and the outcries when they make december. not to be confused with the general outcries. ugh.
    I might be wrong, but isn't America especially the land of class action law suits? Where lawyers will take no fee from you, but a big chunk of the settlement? So if any of those "vultures" would smell that there is money to be made from a delayed release date, we would have already seen game companies in court.

    So it seems chances are slim to zero.

    But I must admit that I was confused how Blizzard set such an early release date...and barely after had to cancel it. Definitely not the Blizzard I thought I knew. Or did they push release dates (though somebody claimed in another thread that TBC release date was moved. But here my memory fails me)

    EDIT: Found this https://bit-tech.net/news/gaming/The...ade_delayed/1/ - though it says they "hoped to have it ready for Christmas but moved it to January" - I don't see however if they ever did set an official December release date or just "hoped" for it.

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    The game is ready as it is.

    They could've done tuning or fixing during the weeks when the raids aren't open yet.

    Delaying it is just a waste of everyone's time.
    Covenant abilities are still a mess for many classes, tuning (even initial tuning) hasn't happened yet, legendaries are in many cases crap, trinkets are in many cases OP, there are still major bugs preventing you from continuing the SL story, The Maw is still an empty and unfun place...

    It's not ready.

    Even pre patch has some severe bugs (e.g. Alliance unable to start BfA etc.). Pre patch wasn't ready to be released but they still chose to do to give players something, but in the end I'm not sure if it was the right decision. I enjoy it, but some things shouldn't have made it to live servers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Most of your arguments here are just "i think its too soon".

    Doesnt seem to be much thought process behind this at all
    Well any launch early dec conflicts with releasing raids that would be around Xmas which they wouldn't do so it will have to be later.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
    If we have to minorly inconvienience a few people to make the expansion actually good.. yeah Id say that is a trade unquestionably well worth it.
    What makes you so sure the delay will actually make the expansion "good"?

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Agrossive View Post
    Well any launch early dec conflicts with releasing raids that would be around Xmas which they wouldn't do so it will have to be later.
    Unless they push the raid to January

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrossive View Post
    Well any launch early dec conflicts with releasing raids that would be around Xmas which they wouldn't do so it will have to be later.
    It's easier to launch Shadowlands December 8 and delay the raid until mid January than delaying the whole expansion until January. And it makes a lot of sense to separate SL launch and raid release, it gives players more time to prepare for the raid - which is a good thing, especially over the biggest holiday period in the West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whoisqnx View Post
    Unless they push the raid to January
    There's a 0% chance for a Castle Nathria opening on live servers in 2020.
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  13. #113
    never will it happen in mid december. if you take race to world first into account, it will definitely not happen over christmas. no idea what blizzard thinks about it.

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    It's easier to launch Shadowlands December 8 and delay the raid until mid January than delaying the whole expansion until January. And it makes a lot of sense to separate SL launch and raid release, it gives players more time to prepare for the raid - which is a good thing, especially over the biggest holiday period in the West.

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    There's a 0% chance for a Castle Nathria opening on live servers in 2020.
    Yea i completly agree. My bet is still on early Dec release and the raid in Jan.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbselle View Post
    never will it happen in mid december. if you take race to world first into account, it will definitely not happen over christmas. no idea what blizzard thinks about it.
    The race to world first is irrelevant if the raid opens in January, nowhere does it say Blizzard has to open the raid shortly after expansion launch, they could release it within the first two weeks of December and open the raid the 1st or 2nd week of January for all we know.

  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulfric Trumpcloak View Post
    I've heard a couple of reliable streamers mention 2021. Given the sad state of the beta and the pre-patch, I'd say that's about right. Don't expect Shadowlands before December, "at least".
    Let me make a wild guess. Bellular the clickbaitiest of clickbaity youtubers?

    You need to understand something about "reliable streamers". They. make. money. of. drama.

    Drama sells a lot better then sitting in front of the camera and telling everyone how cool and great everything is, hence why people like Bellular make every video title sound like the servers are being shut down tomorrow.

    It is exactly the same pricinple as with the glossy magazines you can buy in the super market for a few cents that scream from the title at you about the marriage problems and deadly deceases of "famous" people. You should ALWAYS take this with a huge grain of salt.

    For now the only realiable source we have says SLs will release this year.

    The pre-order was set for 12/31st as the latest date. Crossing that line will force them to offer full refunds to everyone (which they already do, but then it will simply not be a choice anymore) not to mention the PR backlash of delaying the expansion a second time. So they will move heaven and earth to get it done before christmas.

  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Clozer View Post
    It's 4 weeks for something that's in the work for at least 2 years, what kind of improvements do you expect? xD

    If you compare the beta build from today with from 4 weeks ago - well, except balance nearly nothing at all changed. Same bugs, same systems, same everything except that night fae isn't the way to go for my spec anymore. Thank god they delayed SL for these insane improvements, so I can experience a truly polished game.
    just because you dont like the systems doesnt mean we all agree with you, balancing and bug fixes are nice to be done prior to the release, if they dont think its ready its not ready

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    The pre-order was set for 12/31st as the latest date. Crossing that line will force them to offer full refunds to everyone (which they already do, but then it will simply not be a choice anymore) not to mention the PR backlash of delaying the expansion a second time. So they will move heaven and earth to get it done before christmas.
    Yup. And they're still running ads, right now, after the delay, saying "2020".

    So I don't think there can be much doubt that SL will release in 2020, in some form. Whether it's in great shape or not depends very much on how much they're able to do before that release.

    I am slightly mystified by all these people who think it can't relelase in December because of raids - Blizzard could clearly delay the raid opening into the first half of January without causing any real problems, if they released on Dec 1st/8th/15th. Fixing the inevitable major post-launch issues is more of a problem, so I expect they'll be aiming for the 8th or earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbselle View Post
    never will it happen in mid december. if you take race to world first into account, it will definitely not happen over christmas. no idea what blizzard thinks about it.
    Can we just get rid of this idea that they couldn't just delay the opening of the raid to january? It's really that simple.

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    6+7=13 the prophecy is real !

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