If they made a new class in the future, what would it be?

[Ielenia]

if you just read what i wrote, there was no point in "assume" anything.

I read your whole response to Triceron's first line. At no point you specified what you were talking about, leaving us to assume.

nope, they can't, they can adapt and make their own thing based on then that fits in the world of warcraft, b ut they can't take the same class and just shove here period.

Why not? Who said they can't? You? Are you the owner of Activision-Blizzard who has the first and last say on what can and cannot be done for their products?

[Roship]

Venthyr require anima to continue existing like literally every other denizen of the Shadowlands. If they became playable, Blizzard would literally be throwing away the most important element of the expansion. So yes, if covenant races became playable, Blizzard would be shitting all over the lore they JUST established in Shadowlands. Because anima doesn't exist outside the Shadowlands.

Unless at the end of the expansion, all they literally have to do is create some reason after the jailer/sylvanas/whoever is defeated, that they no longer need anima to be created/exist, and can now exist outside the realm of death. Its new lore. They can take it in a new direction easily if its want they want, there's no decades old lore for them to trample over if they decide to.

[TheRevenantHero]

Unless at the end of the expansion, all they literally have to do is create some reason after the jailer/sylvanas/whoever is defeated, that they no longer need anima to be created/exist, and can now exist outside the realm of death. Its new lore. They can take it in a new direction easily if its want they want, there's no decades old lore for them to trample over if they decide to.

Sure, if Blizzard wants to further shit all over their own lore.

[Triceron]

Sure, if Blizzard wants to further shit all over their own lore.

I mean, the past 20 or so years of WoW have pretty much laid out that shitting on their own lore is what has been making WoW profitable. Any sensible lore should have honed in on maintaining and unifying to actively prevent disasters like what we have in Shadowlands. Instead, expansions are built on having everyone react to a new threat that should have been expected and prevented decades ago. Shitting on the lore is a byproduct of working with episodic content in 2-year cycles.

[TheRevenantHero]

I mean, the past 20 or so years of WoW have pretty much laid out that shitting on their own lore is what has been making them most profitable, considering any sensible lore should have honed in on maintaining peace after Warcraft 3.

Shadowlands has been the WORST lore abuse out of every expansion. It's actually worse than WoD.

[Triceron]

Shadowlands has been the WORST lore abuse out of every expansion. It's actually worse than WoD.

Anything in particular?

Cuz WoD was a such a shit show I can't imagine it really being any worse than that.

[TheRevenantHero]

Anything in particular?

Cuz WoD was a such a shit show I can't imagine it really being any worse than that.

The power of the Helm of Domination was drastically changed. Originally Frostmourne was just as powerful as the Helm. Yet when the helm was destroyed it ripped a hole in reality but when Frostmourne was shattered it just released its trapped souls.

How Kil'jaedan got those two items was dumbed down to make him look like a two-bit thief rather than being a badass villain.

In BfA it was established that Sylvanas was breaking death by creating undead because it was preventing souls from moving on. But apparently she had been funneling souls into the Maw since Wrath even though we were told in BfA by Bwonsomdi and the Lich King that souls weren't going anywhere. It was a pretty egregious retcon.

Before Shadowlands, it was established that the Shadowlands was just a misty and gray version of whatever area you were in. We go there in numerous quests. Yet suddenly, it's a collection of realms with some even having vibrant colors and news races. Makes absolutely no fucking sense.

[Ielenia]

The power of the Helm of Domination was drastically changed. Originally Frostmourne was just as powerful as the Helm. Yet when the helm was destroyed it ripped a hole in reality but when Frostmourne was shattered it just released its trapped souls.

Being "just as powerful" does not mean "having the exact same powers". Frostmourne was a powerful sword that could easily drink the souls of those it kills, while the helm commanded the undead and had a connection to the Shadowlands. At least as far as I understand it. And it's that connection to the Shadowlands that caused the rip in the sky.

[FossilFree]

It's time for the sonic damage class anyways. Why should NPCs be the only ones who can use them? Aren't the players supposed to be more powerful than NPCs? It feels wrong for them to have exclusive access to sonic abilities.

Just look at a few of the examples:

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=300524/song-of-azshara
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=303695/inhuman-scream
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=293986/sonic-pulse
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=314333/force-and-verve
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=314304...of-the-empress
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=314332/sound-barrier
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=131287/sonic-eruption
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=125441/sonic-scream
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=80555/sonic-spear
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=125373/windsong
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=125805/staggering-sound
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=125004/sonic-blast
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=123788/cry-of-terror
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=123735/dread-screech
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=125907/cry-havoc
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=124949/sonic-blast
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=124944/sonic-boom
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=127922/concussive-wave
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=129419/dread-resonance
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=127908...of-the-empress
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=128381/sonic-field
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=128360/war-cry
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=127840/sonic-hook
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=16798/enchanting-lullaby
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=93653/wedding-hymn

[Revamp Man]

The power of the Helm of Domination was drastically changed. Originally Frostmourne was just as powerful as the Helm. Yet when the helm was destroyed it ripped a hole in reality but when Frostmourne was shattered it just released its trapped souls.

How Kil'jaedan got those two items was dumbed down to make him look like a two-bit thief rather than being a badass villain.

In BfA it was established that Sylvanas was breaking death by creating undead because it was preventing souls from moving on. But apparently she had been funneling souls into the Maw since Wrath even though we were told in BfA by Bwonsomdi and the Lich King that souls weren't going anywhere. It was a pretty egregious retcon.

Before Shadowlands, it was established that the Shadowlands was just a misty and gray version of whatever area you were in. We go there in numerous quests. Yet suddenly, it's a collection of realms with some even having vibrant colors and news races. Makes absolutely no fucking sense.

1. the helm and blade are powerful but they always had different pruposes

2. he didnt steal anything he was given the items by the dreadlords and they said they stole it from their creators

3. they never ever in any way shape or form said that she "broke" death by making undead only that she was upsetting the balance.

4. this is true until legion when we got the story of Odyn's eye and even Thros

you need to read up on the current lore if you wanna complain about it not making sense

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also anyone else notice the whole "tyrande mirrors illidan and sylvanas mirrors arthas" going on??
they even clash in 9.1 with a similar outcome lol

[TheRevenantHero]

Being "just as powerful" does not mean "having the exact same powers". Frostmourne was a powerful sword that could easily drink the souls of those it kills, while the helm commanded the undead and had a connection to the Shadowlands. At least as far as I understand it. And it's that connection to the Shadowlands that caused the rip in the sky.

Originally, it didn't have a connection to the Shadowlands afaik. It was just meant to be two powerful artifacts that could command the undead.

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1. the helm and blade are powerful but they always had different pruposes

2. he didnt steal anything he was given the items by the dreadlords and they said they stole it from their creators

3. they never ever in any way shape or form said that she "broke" death by making undead only that she was upsetting the balance.

4. this is true until legion when we got the story of Odyn's eye and even Thros

you need to read up on the current lore if you wanna complain about it not making sense

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also anyone else notice the whole "tyrande mirrors illidan and sylvanas mirrors arthas" going on??
they even clash in 9.1 with a similar outcome lol

I'm talking about the lore BEFORE Shadowlands. Everything you mentioned was changed FOR Shadowlands.

[Ielenia]

Originally, it didn't have a connection to the Shadowlands afaik. It was just meant to be two powerful artifacts that could command the undead.

True, we didn't know of the connection to the Shadowlands back then, AFAIK, but even then the two artifacts had different properties. Frostmourne was the stealer of souls, while the helm was the prison of Ner'zul's soul.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

It boggles my mind that in the 17 years since WoW released, they never did a Tinker class. It was one of THE absolute most requested classes... ever, if not THE most.

[Syegfryed]

Oh for sure. Bards were STUPID strong in 3.5 but in 4e and 5e, they are much more like a support class. They really don't have much in the way of strong spells or anything. They're fantastic at buffing other players though..

bards in 5e are strong as much like other casters, they are not blasters like sorcs but they can hold their own, in doing damage and supporting pretty much like a cleric or a druid.

There is even some subclasses focused on dealing damage and making the target fail their spell saves.

Bards would be one of the easiest classes they could adapt in wow because everything would be new. They could go wild doing a spec focused on ranged dps, blasting with magic, and a support healer, pretty much like a priest or a druid. Since they do magic with music they could be a spellcaster class that by example can cast things while moving, and that would be their differential.

I read your whole response to Triceron's first line. At no point you specified what you were talking about, leaving us to assume.

there was rly nothing much to assume, but you do that constantly, and, attack the points you assumed.

Why not? Who said they can't? You? Are you the owner of Activision-Blizzard who has the first and last say on what can and cannot be done for their products?

lets just say it is something logical and/or obvious.

But why use hyperbole here?

why not? if we all know what it means what is the point of just fighting over semantics? lol

If you say "Such and such is impossible!" or "Blizzard can do that!" I'm left to think that's what you believe and that is flat out wrong.

There is things they can't do, for a number of reasons, the possibility exist, but just because it exist does not mean it will happen or they will do, period.

[jellmoo]

why not? if we all know what it means what is the point of just fighting over semantics? lol

Because we don't know what you mean. We don't live in your head. We can only read what you write and assume your words should be taken at face value. I find it utterly baffling that you would be so adamant against using the proper words to convey your point. It would save a lot of time and effort if you would.

There is things they can't do, for a number of reasons, the possibility exist, but just because it exist does not mean it will happen or they will do, period.

Those are contradictory statements. If it's possible then they absolutely can do it. This is why word choice is important.

[Revamp Man]

Originally, it didn't have a connection to the Shadowlands afaik. It was just meant to be two powerful artifacts that could command the undead.

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I'm talking about the lore BEFORE Shadowlands. Everything you mentioned was changed FOR Shadowlands.

nooooo all of that was literally before shadowlands

[TheRevenantHero]

nooooo all of that was literally before shadowlands

The theft story element and the two artifacts being vastly different in power were absolutely retcons for shadowlands. Also, Bwonsamdi states that Sylvanas raising undead keeps the souls from moving on and that she's keeping them to herself in those undead minions. So the whole story point about her sending souls to the Maw despite Bwonsamdi specifically saying the souls weren't going anywhere makes no god damned sense.

[Revamp Man]

The theft story element and the two artifacts being vastly different in power were absolutely retcons for shadowlands. Also, Bwonsamdi states that Sylvanas raising undead keeps the souls from moving on and that she's keeping them to herself in those undead minions. So the whole story point about her sending souls to the Maw despite Bwonsamdi specifically saying the souls weren't going anywhere makes no god damned sense.

in WC3 the sword didnt give arthas control over the scourge
chronicles 1 mentioned the dreadlords giving him the helm and sword
bwonsamdi talks about her raising dead not about the thousands of dead souls from the tree. If you read the dialogue when he mentions her you will see he is upset that she is messing up the balance not "breaking death"

the sould of someone turned into a forsaken does go nowhere as opposed to the souls of those who were burned in the tree who went to the maw

[jellmoo]

The theft story element and the two artifacts being vastly different in power were absolutely retcons for shadowlands.

My interpretation was that the two items weren't so much different in power as they were different in purpose. Frostmourne was his weapon whereas the helm was a tool to expand his influence. Both very powerful, just in different ways. For me the retcon that made me scratch my head was why on earth they would make it so that destorying the helm sundered the barrier between worlds. It just seems like such a weird thing to add in after the fact. Like, why would The Jailer even design a feature like that? Pretty much requiring him to lose control of the Lich King.

[Ielenia]

there was rly nothing much to assume, but you do that constantly, and, attack the points you assumed.

When one does not offer sufficient information, one has to assume what they're talking about. Again: you gave zero information about what exactly you were talking about. You literally wrote "some things" and then proceeded to dismiss said this vague "some things" with your three vague points.

Again, when you don't make it clear about what exactly you're talking about, don't complain when others have to assume to fill up the gaps in what you wrote.

lets just say it is something logical and/or obvious.

So, no answer, then? Because "obvious and/or logical" is a meaningless answer. Up until the Legion expansion, it was "obvious" and "logical" that the demon hunter would never be a class of its own, according to many people.

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The theft story element and the two artifacts being vastly different in power were absolutely retcons for shadowlands.

They were not, really. Even before we knew the differences: the helm was a prison to Ner'zul, through which he commanded the undead Scourge. And the Frostmourne was the weapon that could steal and imprison the souls of those it slain.

Aldo, as far as I know, at no point whatsoever we were told, or given the impression, that the sword and helm had the same kind of power.

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For me the retcon that made me scratch my head was why on earth they would make it so that destorying the helm sundered the barrier between worlds. It just seems like such a weird thing to add in after the fact. Like, why would The Jailer even design a feature like that? Pretty much requiring him to lose control of the Lich King.

If the helm has a connection to the Shadowlands (as we learn that Bolvar has been getting glimpses into the Shadowlands since donning the helm), I imagine it would require powerful magic to have a connection that transcends planes of existence, and when the helm breaks, the magic goes 'haywire' and causes the barrier between dimensions to shatter. That's my interpretation, anyways.