Because playing Sylvanas Windrunner in World of Warcraft is probably more profitable marketing for an expansion than playing what weirdo you want to base a class on. And thats how marketing for new classes work, that you basically can be like Illidan Stormrage or Arthas Menethil. Guess why Monks created barely any hype?
[quote]Because the Dark Ranger concept offers nothing new to the class lineup.[/quote}
We already established as a community that you don't know anything about how this games and how classes work, so how can you say that? Otherwise, it offers an additional mail class and an additional class utilizing ranged weapons, which is something the game currently lacks, while being based on the most popular character who hasn't her own class yet. In terms if class mechanics, they can basically do anything with Dark Rangers. Dots, casts, direct dps, pet gameplay or instead summoning, Banshee form being one heavy burst CD like Metamorphosis or avenging wrath or utilizing similar mechanics as old shadow priest or old Demonology Warlock.
The only less popular classes are healers, ninja and Dancer.Machinist is far from the bottom of the list in FFXIV.
https://gw2efficiency.com/account/player-statisticsAs for GW 2, according to this, Engineers are 8%, and lag behind the bottom tier and middle of pack by a few percentage points.
That one is even better, as it actually shows engagement, as I noticed. So, the playerbase decided that Engineers are the least engaging free to play class to them.
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Probably because Legion already had Demon Hunters, BfA had allied races and a Dark Rangers class would most likely include a starting zone in which we operate under Sylvanas Windrunner, which would give away informations Blizzard consciously wants to keep a mystery during the release of the expansion. Especially since they don't need to include Dark Rangers during Shadowlands, Legion and Demon Hunters made the case of letting a class introduction scenario play during the timeline of past expansions and then include a timejump. Especially since Blizz already teased that time in the Shadowlands moves differently than it moves on Azeroth.
By what measure would you state that Monks generated barely any hype? When they were announced they generated a great deal of hype. The problem is that Blizzard never made them OP like they did with DKs and DHs, and unlike those other two classes, Monks had to start at level 1 BEFORE Blizzard provided level boosts.
As for Sylvanas Windrunner heading an expansion, that happened in both BFA and Shadowlands. Where's the Dark Ranger class?
Hunter class.Because the Dark Ranger concept offers nothing new to the class lineup.[/quote}
We already established as a community that you don't know anything about how this games and how classes work, so how can you say that? Otherwise, it offers an additional mail class and an additional class utilizing ranged weapons, which is something the game currently lacks,
Irrelelvant.while being based on the most popular character who hasn't her own class yet.
You've just mentioned about the majority of the class lineup.In terms if class mechanics, they can basically do anything with Dark Rangers. Dots, casts, direct dps, pet gameplay or instead summoning,
"Banshee form" in its current WoW form simply allows flight. It should be noted that Metamorphosis held a variety of abilities even in WC3.Banshee form being one heavy burst CD like Metamorphosis or avenging wrath or utilizing similar mechanics as old shadow priest or old Demonology Warlock.
And Gunbreaker, and Astrologian, and Blue Mage;The only less popular classes are healers, ninja and Dancer.
https://ffxivcensus.com/
That one is even better, as it actually shows engagement, as I noticed. So, the playerbase decided that Engineers are the least engaging free to play class to them.[/QUOTE]
And like I said, that's largely due to poor decisions on the developer's part and not the class in of itself.
That... is asinine logic at best, completely illogical at worst:
• First, we had zero expansions "based around Sylvanas".
• Second, none of that means "Sylvanas would be viewed as a hunter". That's like saying Illidan should be viewed as a "rogue variant" since the expansion actually centered around him, TBC, yielded no demon hunter class.
You would sort of need to release Dark Rangers in Shadowlands, since Sylvanas is playing a massive part in this expansion, and it is doubtful she will play a massive role in the next expansion. It'd be pretty hard to introduce a Dark Ranger class based on Sylvanas if Sylvanas has nothing to do with that expansion.
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Why are we currently in Shadowlands?
Except TBC came right after Vanilla. Shadowlands came in the traditional time frame for a new class.• Second, none of that means "Sylvanas would be viewed as a hunter". That's like saying Illidan should be viewed as a "rogue variant" since the expansion actually centered around him, TBC, yielded no demon hunter class.
How so? Blizz seems to be kinda set on having her be a main character over multiple expansions? We have already her being a central character in the past 3 expansions and expansion cinematics, so what makes you assume they change and instead make this one character you like nobody even knows about the main character?
Yeah, no, Blizzard will not have Sylvanas be a central role for a third expansion. They were pushing it with this expansion, which is probably why she has a high likelihood of biting the big one in the next raid. I would argue that a vast swath of the WoW community despises her at this point.
Yeah, I never argued that NB would be more popular than BELF. I said that based on the argument here, NB should be the most popular AR on the Horde.
That's not the case.
You can apply what I said earlier largely to those characters as well. I'm not going to go over each and every one of them for you.Sorry I wish I could use a laughing emoji here and I don't mean to be rude, but you literally just completely proved yourself wrong hahahaha. You just explained how other characters actually are major/iconic unlike gazlowe, mekkatorque etc.
Sorry what about the other 20 lesser known chararacters I mentioned, id actually love you to go on because we both know 1/2 of those characters are not significant yet still show up before Mekkatorque/gazlowe. Here ill make it easier for you.
Medivh, 'Goblin', Durotan, Lothar, Saurfang, Doomhammer, Grom, Turalyon, Aegwynn, Cairne, Vereesa, Antionidas, Baine, Chen, Yrel, Draka, Onyxia, Garona, Magni, Alleria, Blackmoore, Lorthermar, Med'an, Valeera, Mannoroth, Kargath, Taran Zhu.
Sorry please explain to me about these ones, half of these characters have no major role in the story/lore.
Again, view the response to the Undermine April Fool's post. No one said that expansion didn't fit WoW. No one said that WoW shouldn't do that expansion. The vast majority of responses to that concept was that Blizzard should do it, and that its better than the content we have now.Im showing that I can actually debate in a fair constructive manner and listen to the other side of the argument to understand their POV. I would probably enjoy that content, but gazlowe, mekkatorque and undermine are by no means iconic, and I doubt Blizzard would focus an entire expansion on it, its too 'thin' and polarising. You're making claims like mekkatorque and gazlowe are super popular and iconic as a means to support your argument for this content when they arent. If you were arguing that you think its cool, and you think others would find it cool, sure ill support you, but not when you're trying to prop up your argument with some wildly popular claims that I cannot agree with.
Can you name a prominent Gnome Mage hero character in Warcraft?Well I don't agree, half of the original warcraft videos showed gnome mages, gnomes have appeared in many fantasy universe as iconic wizards and blizzard played into this. I just don't think they're that popular, if people liked them so much, they'd play them regardless. Would they get more popular with a class to fit their own, YES. But whats your point.
The point is that every race has a class that matches their race's prominent characters except for Goblins and Gnomes. Orcs for example already have Thrall who is a Shaman, Garrosh and Saurfang who were Warriors, and Gul'dan who was a Warlock. Prominent Goblin characters are Helix Blackfuse, Gazlowe, and Gallywix. ALL of them pilot robots into battle.If they made a blademaster spec for warrior, orc would get more popular.
If they made a necromancer class, undead would get more popular.
Whats your point?
BFA wasn't about Mechagon. Mechagon was mid-expansion content that was welcome, but totally not what the expansion was about. Heck, Goblins and Gnomes didn't even appear in the opening cinematic of BFA.I mean I agree with you here, but then we got mechagnome and a huge piece of tech content and no mention of making tinkers playable so...
If they intended on doing an entire expansion for gnomes/goblins/tech, wouldn't they have saved that content?
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https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ed-to-the-game
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-in-9-0/page37
Polls like that for starters.
Why did we go to Outlands, back in TBC? Why did we go to Pandaria?
Irrelevant. There was no apparent "pattern" established so we could technically have a class in the first expansion. Or a class AND races. Or nothing.Except TBC came right after Vanilla. Shadowlands came in the traditional time frame for a new class.
So are you arguing that this expansion is NOT about Sylvanas, despite Sylvans being the reason we're in this expansion in the first place, and is pretty much driving it's events?
Blizzard stated that no new class concept fit the setting, story, or theme of Shadowlands.Irrelevant. There was no apparent "pattern" established so we could technically have a class in the first expansion. Or a class AND races. Or nothing.
If we had an expansion involving Technology with Gazlowe initiating the entire storyline and driving the overarching narrative, yet there was no Tinker class, and Blizzard said that no new class concept fit the setting, story, or theme of the expansion, I'd be writing off the Tinker class as a future class concept at this point.
Okay, but what you personally expected isnt the point of the discussion. The point is that Elves shouldn't be considered the main determining factor of future content simply because BEs are wildly popular.
I've already answered this question.Okay but Teriz don't you see that you're contradicting yourself at this stage. You've just given 3 examples for 3 characters in the list, and why they are iconic and relevant, as a means of explaining why they are in the list.
You asked me to give an example of WoW players desiring a WoW underground expansion, I give you that example, and now you're arguing that any expansion idea would garner desire from WoW players? Then what was your point in the first place?Again, I'm sure if you wrote up 10 ideas for expansions involving existing Azeroth lore, a large majority would gain positive responses. People are excited by expansion talk.
They are of major importance, as a technology-based pair of races. The problem is that there are no technology classes in the game, thus people wanting to play those races as the technology-based races they are pushed as have no way to immerse themselves in that fantasy.Millhouse manastorm, but that's about it. But I'm not denying that, I said in fantasy and in promotion material, and I believe gnomes/goblins are not of any major important anyway.
It would be like if we had Orcs being shown as savage warriors and brutes, with the leaders being shown as such with huge axes, bloodstained armor, and spikes all over the place, but the only class options were fairy and lollipop, and you had to dress the orcs up in dresses and they had rainbow and candy powers. In that game, not many people would roll the Orcs.
Yeah, they're not afraid, or else we wouldn't have gotten what we got in BFA. They're simply waiting for the appropriate expansion to release the class in. They made that quite obvious in the Shadowlands announcement.Dude..................... I AGREE with you, I've tried to make that clear so many times. But as I've said in so many posts, I think the devs are afraid of having tons of robot soldiers running around wow, and making it feel super technological as it would errode the fantasy feel for a lot of players. I don't think gnome/goblin related content is particularly attractive to most people too, compared to other alternatives they have.
If they add another class and it isn't 3 ranged specs, then they're doing it wrong.
This expansion is not about Sylvanas, just like Legion was not about Gul'Dan, and WoD was about Garrosh.
Wrong. They never said that.Blizzard stated that no new class concept fit the setting, story, or theme of Shadowlands.
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He'll never stop doing that. He acts like everything he posts is absolute, objective fact, despite more often than not posting his own personal opinions, and dismisses everything people say as "personal opinions", even when facts are provided, if they go against his own personal opinions.
I said that WoW players have shown a desire for an underground expansion based on Undermine, you didn’t believe that, and when I showed the evidence you immediately switched to “Well all expansion concepts based on WoW lore are popular”. Like I said, I don’t see the point of your original question.
And yet in multiple polls over multiple years, the Tinker is consistently ranked at or near the top of most desired classes, easily beating out the traditional fantasy options.But again, you fail to understand that a large percentage of WoW's playerbase are here because of the traditional fantasy aspect, you know LOTR has been accredited for a lot of WoW's success by the devs themselves?
Yeah, see above. As for the profession, it has nothing to do with the Tinker hero concept.Most players accept technology as part of this specific fantasy, but that doesn't mean they like it, many are neutral, I consider myself neutral, I don't mind, I kinda like it and I kinda dislike it. I find all this spaceship shit cringe and not the reason I fell in love with Warcraft. I find the tinker thing a cool boss to fight, but I don't like the idea of everyone being able to be one. You're failing completely to understand that just because something exists in small pockets doesn't mean that the developers want to spread it amongst the entire world and make it commonplace. I think there's a reason Blizzard originally created engineering as a profession instead of a class, because I don't think they want everyone running around in terminator suits.
If Goblins and Gnomes are shown doing nothing but riding around in mech suits, why would it be illogical for Gnome and Goblin players to also be riding around in mech suits?I understand you and others who like that fantasy feel like you're getting screwed, but until you understand the logical reasoning behind why it might be a bad idea to make it possible to play as a rocket firing mechasuit wearing grenade tossing ironman a playable class in a game where most of the heroes use magic swords, bows and primitive guns, then you wont ever be able to support a logical argument about the topic.
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I’m not the one bringing up the topic.