This Lawsuit is Why McConnell Will not Pass Covid Relief

[Elegiac]

Are you really trying to blame your employer for firing you for not showing up for 2 days?

Y'all are hilarious because you'll complain about how damaging rioting is to people's livelihoods in one breath and in the next insist that someone's livelihood should be put at risk because they were absent a few days during *checks notes* a literal fucking plague.

Still pretending you give a shit about the average American?

And yeah it wasn't anything to do with globalism that made the US vulnerable to COVID; it's the fact its culture and economy do not allow anyone but the privileged to prioritise their health or that of their communities or else risk destitution.

[Glorious Leader]

Are you really trying to blame your employer for firing you for not showing up for 2 days?

In a fucking plague well yea. In the particular instance "personal responsibility" would include not becoming a vector for corona virus and staying home to recuperate.

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Y'all are hilarious because you'll complain about how damaging rioting is to people's livelihoods in one breath and in the next insist that someone's livelihood should be put at risk because they were absent a few days during *checks notes* a literal fucking plague.

Still pretending you give a shit about the average American?

And yeah it wasn't anything to do with globalism that made the US vulnerable to COVID; it's the fact its culture and economy do not allow anyone but the privileged to prioritise their health or that of their communities or else risk destitution.

Its delicious irony. Corporate personhood stops at well any chance of a corporation being personally responsible.

[Milchshake]

885,000 people filed for first-time unemployment benefits last week.
As the holidays approach, a whopping 20.6 million Americans are on unemployment aid.

[Hadriker]

back to the Stimulus package

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/polit...est/index.html


We are looking down a Barrell of a 900 billion dollar bill, largely based off the bi-partisan bill that was introduced a few weeks earlier. it does look like it will contain stimulus checks, but only half of what we got earlier in the year. It approaches the point of being insulting to the Americans that are in need. A 600 dollar check isn't going to do shit for someone who is 3 months behind on rent or utilities becasue they lost their job to covid.


Progressives are pushing for more, but the likelihood of them getting it is slim. Time is running short on getting a bill done before the holidays. Real help probably just isn;t possible with the GOP blocking it at every turn.

[Antiganon]

back to the Stimulus package

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/polit...est/index.html


We are looking down a Barrell of a 900 billion dollar bill, largely based off the bi-partisan bill that was introduced a few weeks earlier. it does look like it will contain stimulus checks, but only half of what we got earlier in the year. It approaches the point of being insulting to the Americans that are in need. A 600 dollar check isn't going to do shit for someone who is 3 months behind on rent or utilities becasue they lost their job to covid.


Progressives are pushing for more, but the likelihood of them getting it is slim. Time is running short on getting a bill done before the holidays. Real help probably just isn;t possible with the GOP blocking it at every turn.

The trick here is that if they pass something, anything, that only helps the GOP in GA Senate special elections.

If they don't pass anything, and can effectively pin it on GOP obstruction, that helps the DSCC immensely. If the Dems can manage to flip those two seats, that puts Dems in a much stronger negotiating position for the stimulus under current Senate rules, and if they don't want to buy what the GOP is selling, they can change the rules in 2 weeks and pass the 3.4 Trillion bill passed by the House back in like May.

That's a lot of ifs though. I'm not optimistic.

[Milchshake]

The trick here is that if they pass something, anything, that only helps the GOP in GA Senate special elections.

If they don't pass anything, and can effectively pin it on GOP obstruction, that helps the DSCC immensely. If the Dems can manage to flip those two seats, that puts Dems in a much stronger negotiating position for the stimulus under current Senate rules, and if they don't want to buy what the GOP is selling, they can change the rules in 2 weeks and pass the 3.4 Trillion bill passed by the House back in like May.

That's a lot of ifs though. I'm not optimistic.

That's a great intuition, fear of losing the Senate is finally motivating McConnel. Fun article makes a more indepth case. One reason, and one reason only, an inedquate-but-much-better-than-nothing relief bill might be passed by the Senate. And it’s that Republicans think they can lose the Georgia runoff:

Pressure works. That’s what we’re learning from the news that congressional negotiators are moving toward a deal on an economic rescue package that includes stimulus checks for individuals.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has now suggested on a private conference call with GOP senators that a key reason for this movement is that the two Georgia Republican senators, both of whom face runoffs in January, are “getting hammered” over Congress’ failure to pass a new rescue bill.

But this news doesn’t just tell us that Republicans are feeling heat from this failure. The likelihood that this played a key role in moving Republicans also underscores how unlikely they are to help the economy and the country next year, if they do retain control of the Senate.

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Meanwhile, the new proposal would reportedly include $300 in weekly supplemental unemployment benefits, which is half the $600 in last spring’s proposal. Here again, Democrats have continued pushing for the larger sum. (The new proposal also lacks badly needed aid to state and local governments.)

What’s changed? Well, as a matter of fact, “Kelly and David” have indeed been getting hammered on this issue. Their Democratic opponents, Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff, have run numerous ads — see here, here and here — hitting Republicans over the failure to pass more economic assistance.

It’s plainly obvious that this pressure is a key reason that Senate Republicans are now moving towards supporting the economic relief package (which is already far less than the country needs). Indeed, as late as this month, McConnell was still insisting on an even stingier package, one that didn’t include the supplemental unemployment assistance.

Greg’s other point — that McConnell’s behavior underscores that he’s not going to give Biden anything — is also critical. If a relief bill passes Warnock and Ossoff need to pivot to an argument that if Georigans want the better checks and UI benefits they got last time the Insider Trading Duo need to go.

[Cthulhu 2020]

So tell me, if someone is able to do something, is that not reality? Just because something isn't reflective of how the average human behaves or what the average human is capable of doesn't mean it's not reality.

Besides that, if choosing to be exploited over destitution is human nature, then so is exploiting people over actually caring about them. If both of these things are natural, why are we reeling against them? Because someone has moral objections to it? :lol:

I'm more interested in seeing things get tipped back to the proper balancing point instead of figuring out ways to force the most capable to care and carry the most incapable.

Human nature is actually largely found to be caring and cooperation. Exploitation is not the norm, it's the exception. But vicious, cutthroat people who don't give a shit about others are good for profit, so they often find themselves in positions of power, hiring other vicious cutthroat people to help them.

But then again, most of the vicious cutthroat people who lack basic empathy tend to belong to the conservative wing. A keen observation I've noticed, people who would sell out their own mothers tend to be the furthest right wing, people who care about their family but nobody else tend to be right wing, those who care only about family and friends, more center right. And as people gain more empathy for a greater number of people, they tend to move further left on the political scale. Of course there are a large number of exceptions to this rule, but it tends to hold true when I place the model up to reality time and time again.

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If people come into my neighborhood, though, I bet I can get 20:1.

Boy, if I had a dollar for every single free marketeer who thought they were a lion when they were more likely a sheep, I'd be hella rich. You're not making even near that kind of money unless you plan to rely on significant exploitation of people. Unless 20:1 doesn't mean profit to loss or profit to cost.

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Nothing has "inherent" value. The concept of "value" is produced by the market.



Straw man arguments aren't arguments. They're just you lying about basic shit because you can't stick to the actual argument you're presented with.


Well, that belief is objectively wrong. That's now how the value of money is determined. Particularly not since you seem to be suggesting that the government print that money and add it to the money supply, and that's not something people have been suggesting in the first place.

I don't know where you got this completely ridiculous concept, but it isn't rooted in economics theory.

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Not just fiat currencies.

The only reason currency has value is, at its core, the same reason why gold has value. The concept of "value", itself, exists only in the market.

It's kind of amazing that these types always talk about how the magical hand of the free market will create competition and determine which goods are the best or at least most worth buying, as well as making them affordable for people.

Then when it comes to talking about distributing relief aid or raising the minimum wage, they suddenly forget that "competition" is a thing. They think that if you raise the minimum wage by double, SUDDENLY EVERY VENDOR WILL DOUBLE THE PRICE OF THEIR GOODS AND IT WON'T MATTER except they won't because they're all trying to compete to get people to buy their goods rather than the competition's.

[Felya]

885,000 people filed for first-time unemployment benefits last week.
As the holidays approach, a whopping 20.6 million Americans are on unemployment aid.

Still doing better than Bush, when he was done... What’s with GOP presidency resulting in such shit unemployment?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Time to do a little blowing of minds. The conservatives in here often argue that capitalism is not only the best system, they love to think that it is the ONLY system. But every time liberals want to improve the lives of people through doing natural capitalist action (immigration, birth rate/etc) they screech that it will only lead to hardship for everyone. So apparently, capitalism has a lot of shitty downsides, but they still want to use "only purely capitalism/free market and nothing else" when systems like socialism can fill those gaps in where capitalism fails as a purist system, effectively making it so that a mixture of capitalism and socialism can lead to the best outcome for everyone... yet we shouldn't use it because "SOCIALISM BAD" something something capitalism is the only desirable system despite being highly flawed by their own admission...

[Bodakane]

Are you really trying to blame your employer for firing you for not showing up for 2 days?

Just remember the next time you and your ilk are filling your diapers over illegal immigrants, these corporations like Tyson that you defend like bastions of freedom and justice are the ones smuggling the illegals over the border to work in their factory farms.

[Krakan]

Just remember the next time you and your ilk are filling your diapers over illegal immigrants, these corporations like Tyson that you defend like bastions of freedom and justice are the ones smuggling the illegals over the border to work in their factory farms.

Having a decent work ethic isn't worshipping corporations...

[Glorious Leader]

Having a decent work ethic isn't worshipping corporations...

Haha die of corona virus you fucking peasant just don't stop showing up for work. Work ethic!

[Felya]

Having a decent work ethic isn't worshipping corporations...

It is... otherwise they wouldn’t be shitting on immigrants that get paid shit for back breaking labor on our farms.

[Elegiac]

Having a decent work ethic isn't worshipping corporations...

“Arbeit Macht Frei” is a kind of work ethic, I guess.

[Bodakane]

Having a decent work ethic isn't worshipping corporations...

Your response to my post is just as relevant as if you had said, "I like pizza." It has nothing to do with what I said at all. Try again.

[Krakan]

Your response to my post is just as relevant as if you had said, "I like pizza." It has nothing to do with what I said at all. Try again.

Expecting a company to keep you employed when you don't show up without notice isnt gonna get you far in life.

While hard work doesn't guarantee success being slothful will bring you to ruin.

[Orange Joe]

Getting pretty close judging from the way the cops are being chased away from enforcing evictions in places like Portland.

... They came armed and with riot gear to serve an eviction..... Yeah no problem American police at all....

[Vash The Stampede]

Time to do a little blowing of minds. The conservatives in here often argue that capitalism is not only the best system, they love to think that it is the ONLY system. But every time liberals want to improve the lives of people through doing natural capitalist action (immigration, birth rate/etc) they screech that it will only lead to hardship for everyone. So apparently, capitalism has a lot of shitty downsides, but they still want to use "only purely capitalism/free market and nothing else" when systems like socialism can fill those gaps in where capitalism fails as a purist system, effectively making it so that a mixture of capitalism and socialism can lead to the best outcome for everyone... yet we shouldn't use it because "SOCIALISM BAD" something something capitalism is the only desirable system despite being highly flawed by their own admission...

Want me to blow your mind? It's not just a matter of socialism bad capitalism good, but the wealthy have socialism. Large businesses are not allowed to fail. The stock market is not allowed to fail. We socialize losses for the wealthy but we privatize their wealth. We did this crap in 2008 and they got away with it.

2021 will not be a better year than 2020. Maybe COVID will be under control but the economy is going to fail hard. Like... super hard. January 1st they're going to let them come after you for rent or mortgages unpaid since this started. The amount of people about to be homeless is really bad. The jobs aren't coming back, and in 2021 Walmart, CVS, and UPS are going to start rolling out self driving delivery trucks. Jobs are being lost to automation quicker during COVID because it's the only way to run a business now. The stock market will fail again because at some point the government has to stop giving them money.

The COVID relief bill is far too little too late now. We have to admit that we need to move towards Medicare for All, UBI, and to wave all debt under a certain income. This is the only way.

[Bodakane]

Expecting a company to keep you employed when you don't show up without notice isnt gonna get you far in life.

While hard work doesn't guarantee success being slothful will bring you to ruin.

Jesus christ.....deal with what I wrote not some shit you made up.

[Glorious Leader]

Expecting a company to keep you employed when you don't show up without notice isnt gonna get you far in life.

While hard work doesn't guarantee success being slothful will bring you to ruin.

The virtuous peasant is the one who will work himself so his feudal land lord can extract the most surplus from his labor before he dies from corona virus.