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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiradon View Post
    3 patch makes sense without a doubt. But “raid tier” feels like 2 more (including 9.1) I wasn’t expecting them to rush the attack on the Maw.

    Again feels like this is gonna end in Azeroth
    Not to me. It's pretty clear the Maw is just the initial staging area for the Jailor and his actual goals lie elsewhere in the Shadowlands. We're not going to deal any major blows to his plans in the first act.

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    It's time to accept reality.
    What reality? That you're just making up things to fit your preconceived outcome?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiradon View Post
    3 patch makes sense without a doubt. But “raid tier” feels like 2 more (including 9.1) I wasn’t expecting them to rush the attack on the Maw.

    Again feels like this is gonna end in Azeroth
    SL gave them an opportunity to come up with ANY environment they want while being lore friendly. Using Azeroth in any point would be a waste.
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  3. #1043
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    SL gave them an opportunity to come up with ANY environment they want while being lore friendly. Using Azeroth in any point would be a waste.
    Sure it might be a waste creatively, but it would be perfect narratively.

    As good as Shadowlands looks it shouldnt be used as an excuse ot have a fitting ending. Putting visuals before story is what Michael Bay blockbusters or Fast and Furious does, and I want WoW to at least try to be held to a higher standard.
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  4. #1044
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    What reality? That you're just making up things to fit your preconceived outcome?
    Okay, dude. I'm sure 9.1.5 is going to have the fabled Drust raid and 9.2 is going to be some cuhrazy Shadowlands finale mid raid where we deal with some First One who's secretly the brother of Zovaal but slightly weaker than him and then 9.2.5 comes and we get 2 new dungeons about setting up against Zovaal's new primal Death forces in Death-infused Stormwind and 9.3 is Zovaal doing fusion dance with Azeroth and our brand spanking new artifacts we got just for 9.3 help us deal the world-shattering blow to defeat him once and for all, with the help of X'alatath, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    Okay, dude. I'm sure 9.1.5 is going to have the fabled Drust raid and 9.2 is going to be some cuhrazy Shadowlands finale mid raid where we deal with some First One who's secretly the brother of Zovaal but slightly weaker than him and then 9.2.5 comes and we get 2 new dungeons about setting up against Zovaal's new primal Death forces in Death-infused Stormwind and 9.3 is Zovaal doing fusion dance with Azeroth and our brand spanking new artifacts we got just for 9.3 help us deal the world-shattering blow to defeat him once and for all, with the help of X'alatath, of course.
    Or you know...

    9.2 Ardenweald/Gardens of life zone and raid.
    9.3 Jailer attacks Azeroth and we stop him.

    Or really anything. Doesnt need to be as complicated as you make it out to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Or you know...

    9.2 Ardenweald/Gardens of life zone and raid.
    9.3 Jailer attacks Azeroth and we stop him.

    Or really anything. Doesnt need to be as complicated as you make it out to be.
    "Gardens of life zone and raid" Lol. You guys crack me the fuck up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Or you know...

    9.2 Ardenweald/Gardens of life zone and raid.
    9.3 Jailer attacks Azeroth and we stop him.

    Or really anything. Doesnt need to be as complicated as you make it out to be.
    Sure, or something related to the devourers, wherever the Brokers came from and such or just a new SL related afterlife. They can do whatever they want honestly. Until 8.1 sheds some light on things its pretty much unknown where shit is gonna go.
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  8. #1048
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    9.3 won't happen and not because I'm cynical but because not only does this timeline suggest no 9.3 due to how late 9.1 is coming and how it's completely differently structured compared to the usual .1 patch, but I also believe Blizzard has planned only up to 9.2 from the start and wants to transition to the next expansion faster. Oh, let's not also forget the lore. The enemies this expansion are The Jailer and Sylvanas. There's the Drust but they are a minor nuisance and the Cartel is getting their big payoff in the Megadungeon.

    Jailer is being dealt with in 9.2, guys. It's time to accept reality. There's no "mid-boss" before the Jailer after Sylvanas croaks.
    So, did you just ignore the possibility of the Gardens of Life being a thing? Or?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Sure, or something related to the devourers, wherever the Brokers came from and such or just a new SL related afterlife. They can do whatever they want honestly. Until 8.1 sheds some light on things its pretty much unknown where shit is gonna go.
    Didn’t we legit face the biggest and most threatening devourer in Castle Nathria? We could get an in between dungeon or something like that in 9.3, maybe even a questline, but that’s about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    "Gardens of life zone and raid" Lol. You guys crack me the fuck up.
    I mean, you're the guy that claims 4 months into expansion with absolute certainty that SL wont have 9.3. Cuz reasons.
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  10. #1050
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Or you know...

    9.2 Ardenweald/Gardens of life zone and raid.
    9.3 Jailer attacks Azeroth and we stop him.

    Or really anything. Doesnt need to be as complicated as you make it out to be.
    Agreeing with 9.2. But for 9.3, I genuinely think we’re gonna kill the Jailer at the Seat of the Arbiter. If we do go to Azeroth tho, and the Eternal Ones, the Arbiter, and the maybe Life Pantheon still aren’t enough to stop him, maybe the First Ones themselves will say “oh yeah, btw, you’re our avatars lol kick his ass” and they just empower us enough to beat down the Jailer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    "Gardens of life zone and raid" Lol. You guys crack me the fuck up.
    The Gardens of Life exist in lore, and there are already multiple connections between that realm and Ardenweald, not to mention Ardenweald has a vulnerability for that realm, as well as the fact that the Heart of the Forest from within Ardenweald is the thing that’s keeping the Jailer at bay. This expac is also about Life, not just Death. And if the Death Pantheon fails in 9.1, what’s to stop the Winter Queen from communing with the Life Realm, and asking for the Life Pantheons aid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Sure, or something related to the devourers, wherever the Brokers came from and such or just a new SL related afterlife. They can do whatever they want honestly. Until 8.1 sheds some light on things its pretty much unknown where shit is gonna go.
    Idk about a new SL zone. Maybe an in between zone for 9.3 could be likely, but my thoughts remain in that 9.2 will be focused on Life and getting the Life Pantheon to help us out against the Jailer. That way, Life can also have its own counterpart to the Domination Magic’s, and we could learn more about that, and maybe, with it, that could turn into a cure for Anduin’s mind control ordeal. The possibilities for the patch are massive. Could also be 3 zones like Argus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    Agreeing with 9.2. But for 9.3, I genuinely think we’re gonna kill the Jailer at the Seat of the Arbiter. If we do go to Azeroth tho, and the Eternal Ones, the Arbiter, and the maybe Life Pantheon still aren’t enough to stop him, maybe the First Ones themselves will say “oh yeah, btw, you’re our avatars lol kick his ass” and they just empower us enough to beat down the Jailer.
    I don't really see Oribos raid like some been predicting. Like, this is a gigantic flying dildo of a place with circular structure and same decoration. Sure, they could come up with new levels or portals or something but still don't like it. Orgrimmar at least had an entire underground base created.
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  12. #1052
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    I mean, you're the guy that claims 4 months into expansion with absolute certainty that SL wont have 9.3. Cuz reasons.
    Also, if Blizzard delays the whole 2 year expansion plan just so they could finish off SL and it’s plotline, that’s ok. Especially considering the Jailer is supposedly the enemy of all, so he’s a pretty big fucking deal, unlike with WoD, where Blizzard just threw in Archimonde and said “oh yeah, this is fine”. That was excusable, since WoD was a filler expac for Legion. SL is quite possibly one of the most important lore expansions ever, if not THE most important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    I don't really see Oribos raid like some been predicting. Like, this is a gigantic flying dildo of a place with circular structure and same decoration. Sure, they could come up with new levels or portals or something but still don't like it. Orgrimmar at least had an entire underground base created.
    The raid could start off at the in between, and end at Oribos. Would make sense, considering the Jailer has to travel through there just to get to his targeted location.

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    Also, if Blizzard delays the whole 2 year expansion plan just so they could finish off SL and it’s plotline, that’s ok.
    No it isn't, don't even suggest such a thing.


    I don't really see Oribos raid like some been predicting. Like, this is a gigantic flying dildo of a place with circular structure and same decoration. Sure, they could come up with new levels or portals or something but still don't like it. Orgrimmar at least had an entire underground base created.
    Zovaal does have to go to the Arbiter eventually, she is supposed to be a "key" so I expect him to show up at Oribos...eventually.
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    This thread should be renamed to "crackpot fantasies and sky-high wishes" and not any realistic speculation. Just being honest here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    This thread should be renamed to "crackpot fantasies and sky-high wishes" and not any realistic speculation. Just being honest here.
    I mean, it's pretty hilarious because you keep describing your posts here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Zovaal does have to go to the Arbiter eventually, she is supposed to be a "key" so I expect him to show up at Oribos...eventually.
    That's what cut-scenes and scenarios are for.
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  16. #1056
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    This thread should be renamed to "crackpot fantasies and sky-high wishes" and not any realistic speculation. Just being honest here.
    Or you could try to explain why you think these theories don't work or present your own theories instead of making sarcastic comments.
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  17. #1057
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    This thread should be renamed to "crackpot fantasies and sky-high wishes" and not any realistic speculation. Just being honest here.
    What about what I said was a sky high wish? It’s literally established lore that the Jailer wants to claim the realms of Death for himself, as well as kill the Arbiter. Also, what’s wrong about speculating that we’ll likely lose at the end of the Sanctum raid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    No it isn't, don't even suggest such a thing.




    Zovaal does have to go to the Arbiter eventually, she is supposed to be a "key" so I expect him to show up at Oribos...eventually.
    Why would delaying things not be ok? Blizzard’s delayed stuff before with positive results. I mean, it literally happened with SL. Not trying to say they should ditch the 2 year plan as a whole, but if they delay the expac past the 2 year mark so that it could be a complete expac, then I’d say that’s alright, if the expansion continues to keep people interested. Especially in regards to the lore.

    Also, yes, the Jailer does need to get to her. That’s why I suggested the whole In Between thing.

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    Why would delaying things not be ok?

    Sorry, my understanding was you are ok with shortening SL, which I don't want. I rather each expansion not shorten itself ever again.
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  19. #1059
    Quote Originally Posted by ohwell View Post
    i would definitely concede about the fires as i didn't remember that, but it really depends on where their employees lived as it wasn't a statewide impact necessarily. There were a few relatively close to anaheim which i'm fairly certain their main building is located, but people in ca commute ridiculously especially in the tech industry(there's quite a few documentaries about people commuting hours to and from work where it's basically get home eat sleep and not see family while working for these companies since they can't afford to live where their base of operation is). So in the long run, yeah there could have definitely been an impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Has nothing to do with different teams, it's the same game and the playerbase somehow overlaps. Just look at BfA vs. Classic, it was all very well-timed that it doesn't overlap, especially in the first months. It will be the same this time and as I said, TBC launch > 9.1 when it comes to $$$.

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    This. We're dealing with COVID for one year now and by this time companies, especially in this industry, should have applied to the circumstances already. Other MMORPG / gaming companies have and are able to deal with it, and we're talking about Blizzard, which is a multi billion dollar company. So there's really not much of a COVID excuse left.

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    So another thing, the 9.1 raid is basically the Maw raid we were expecting already, so what will the final raid of Shadowlands be? Oribos, as many of us were already guessing? Or something entirely different?
    Blizzard already said there’s not a ton of overlap between the games


    9.3 will be oribos raid and possibly a new covenant or something allowing a kind of overlap

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    I actually think the Jailer won't be dealt with in Shadowlands since he is built as this grand design plotter titan ++ guy , even if SL ends up being 2 patches which i still doubt although no build today is pretty disappointing.

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