Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Ersula]

This never happened the worgen came from silver pine/shadow fang keep and infected the Gilneans not the other way around.

Yes, but the Forsaken army cleared out Shadowfang keep nearly a decade before the invasion happened, and the Worgen just kept coming. Now from Gilneas. Which was the reason for the invasion. But if you're trying to go back to the source of the curse, Shadowfang keep was originally part of Gilneas, not Lordaeron.

Justification doesn't mean you have to agree with it.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Yes, but the Forsaken army cleared out Shadowfang keep nearly a decade before the invasion happened, and the Worgen just kept coming. Now from Gilneas. Which was the reason for the invasion. But if you're trying to go back to the source of the curse, Shadowfang keep was originally part of Gilneas, not Lordaeron.

Justification doesn't mean you have to agree with it.

Again that just flatly didn’t happen the forsaken never fully cleared silverpine the Bloodfang pack were still around and they were the leading force to attack gilneas from silverpine, the invasion also never had any thing to do with worgen and was all about the horde expanding at garrosh’s command.

And while shadow fang was part of gilneas it stopped being so during the scourge invasion.

Literally no part of the invasion had any thing to do with the worgen or even the gilnean’s.

[Ersula]

Again that just flatly didn’t happen the forsaken never fully cleared silverpine the Bloodfang pack were still around and they were the leading force to attack gilneas from silverpine, the invasion also never had any thing to do with worgen and was all about the horde expanding at garrosh’s command.

And while shadow fang was part of gilneas it stopped being so during the scourge invasion.

The forsaken pushed the Bloodfang back to Purgation Isle but they were still coming over the wall. Obviously that's not the Gilnean's fault but it was the direct response to the Bloodfang's movements: Ivar even says hes transforming Gilneans to provoke a military conflict. You can take an "all war is bad" stance if you want but invasion is a pretty standard (and if you're the united states, justified) reaction to occupation by insurgents.

I'm just tired of this war game treating very basic war strategy as vilification.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The forsaken pushed the Bloodfang back to Purgation Isle but they were still coming over the wall. Obviously that's not the Gilnean's fault but it was the direct response to the Bloodfang's movements: Ivar even says hes transforming Gilneans to provoke a military conflict. You can take an "all war is bad" stance if you want but invasion is a pretty standard (and if you're the united states, justified) reaction to occupation by insurgents.

I'm just tired of this war game treating very basic war strategy as vilification.

no one is taking a "all war is bad" stance you just don't know what your talking about and are just making up nonsesne that has no basis in actual lore.

the bloodfang pack weren't pushed back to Purgation Isle until after they lost silerpine which only happens after gilneas has already fallen. Prior to that they were invading gilneas from silverpine under the command of alpha prime to both grow there numbers to get revenge on malfurian and to find the scyth of elune.

the mass transforming of Gilneas also doesn't even start until after the forsaken are already beating down the wall it had nothing to do with provoking a military conflict as the conflict has already started before the turnings.

[Ersula]

the mass transforming of Gilneas also doesn't even start until after the forsaken are already beating down the wall it had nothing to do with provoking a military conflict as the conflict has already started before the turnings.

No it didn't: The gilneans say the Worgen were there way before the Forsaken showed up & they were situated on Purgation, IE, in vanilla. If what you were saying is true, why would Ivar attack Gilneas when it was already getting attacked by the Forsaken?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

No it didn't: The gilneans say the Worgen were there way before the Forsaken showed up & they were situated on Purgation, IE, in vanilla. If what you were saying is true, why would Ivar attack Gilneas when it was already getting attacked by the Forsaken?

The worgen were around before the forsaken but they weren't actively infecting people they were little more then a local legend or fairy tale.

I also already told you why the worgen attacked Gilenes you edited it out.

they were invading gilneas from silverpine under the command of alpha prime to both grow there numbers to get revenge on malfurian and to find the scyth of elune.

Alpha prime took advantage of the forsaken attacking as away to grow his numbers faster as the Gileans would be busy letting him spread his wolf cult and infect more people until he hit a critical mass.

Ivar him self never actaully even attack's Gilneas just his pack does under Alpha prime's command rather Ivar gave the pack members willingly or Alpha prime took them by being more Alpha is up in the air.

[UndedoKoleda]

Do you guys think we'll be getting some kind of class/pvp balance changes in some future PTR patch or if they intended to do something they would have put it in already?

[Makabreska]

Do you guys think we'll be getting some kind of class/pvp balance changes in some future PTR patch or if they intended to do something they would have put it in already?

Man, PTR been up for only 2 weeks, of course they will balance it later.

[huth]

Do you guys think we'll be getting some kind of class/pvp balance changes in some future PTR patch or if they intended to do something they would have put it in already?

Balance is always the last thing they do. After 8 expansions i'd expect people to have picked up on that.

[Dracullus]

Nice, 4 bosses tested this week, including Anduin. It is starting to feel more like February than March release.

[Makabreska]

Nice, 4 bosses tested this week, including Anduin. It is starting to feel more like February than March release.

They go ham with testing, titties crossed for quick release.

[Marlamin]

[Lady Atia]

Nice, 4 bosses tested this week, including Anduin. It is starting to feel more like February than March release.

Especially if they aren't testing the last 3 bosses on PTR - that would mean Mythic raid testing is next!

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Oh yesss it's Pelagosboooooy. I actually prefer the original Arbiter model though. Also could this imply that the Jailer originally did look a bit like that instead of a wannabe Lichking oO?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Not bad and not the character I expected to asend that way but better then some alternatives *Shudder*

[TheFirstOnes]

my mans said “lets goooooo”

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

Ahahahahahahaha this just awful.

[Makorus]

The model looks kinda crap ngl

[Alanar]

haha, i don't know about this model.. the face looks weird as well.

[Revamp Man]

I’m hoping we get the explanation of why it’s pelagos. I haven’t kept an eye on the new chapters

[TheFirstOnes]

I’m hoping we get the explanation of why it’s pelagos. I haven’t kept an eye on the new chapters

Cause he’s not really Kyrian whatsoever and we need literally anyone BUT Sylvanas