Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[TheFirstOnes]

False.

My partner plays strictly horde and she's never been to stormwind.

Also, I'd argue Lothar, Llane, Khadgar, Aegwynn, Medivh, Magni, Tyrande are all much much more above Alleria and Turalyon in being iconic to the series, and iconic to the old alliance.

Literally only 3 people you mentioned were from the "Old Alliance".

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"My partner plays strictly horde and she's never been to stormwind."

k? Go to Argus?

[Sarethion]

My partner plays strictly horde and she's never been to stormwind.

False. The scenario at the beginning of BfA had Horde players raid Stormwind

[Archmage Xaxxas]

Ideally we would see a world revamp with a new 10-50 area that can be used for that indefinitely, or at least in theory indefinitely.

Though, why stop at 50? This automatic separation people put up between 1-50 and 50-60 when discussing world revamps may actually hinder it's eventuality, due to Blizzard fearing that if they put out Endgame content in revamped Kalimdor and EK that nobody would like that.

If they put in enough work for 1-50, then they would likely have their hands quite full enough as to decide to just design 50-60 and endgame within the same areas.

Take a look at Kul Tiras and Zandalar. They were designed for 110-120, and 120 onward. By the time 9.0's new level system/squish happened, Zandalar and Kul Tiras became fuctional as BOTH 1-50 and 50-60, and so on. (though it was really 1-45, 45-50 and onward, you know though)

Which from where I'm standing, would be a dream. I'd probably sub as long as I could during THAT expack. Alts galore!

[Stardrift]

Literally only 3 people you mentioned were from the "Old Alliance".

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"My partner plays strictly horde and she's never been to stormwind."

k? Go to Argus?

Why? Nothing she'd like to do is over there. Bottom of the line is, Alleria is a pretty irrelevant character.

And my point still stands. There are many characters who stand out much further than Alleria and Turalyon. Their deeds are outshined by just about anyone else who hasn't just completely disappeared for most of the series' history.

And must we knitpick? The factions have had so many different iterations and additions, anything before WCIII could be considered "the old alliance".

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False. The scenario at the beginning of BfA had Horde players raid Stormwind

She had skipped the BFA content and went straight to Legion with her DH, and then straight to SL after hitting 50.

[Sarethion]

She had skipped the BFA content and went straight to Legion with her DH, and then straight to SL after hitting 50.

Bummer. BfA questing was quite good But fine, you win

[Sondrelk]

Though, why stop at 50? This automatic separation people put up between 1-50 and 50-60 when discussing world revamps may actually hinder it's eventuality, due to Blizzard fearing that if they put out Endgame content in revamped Kalimdor and EK that nobody would like that.

If they put in enough work for 1-50, then they would likely have their hands quite full enough as to decide to just design 50-60 and endgame within the same areas.

Take a look at Kul Tiras and Zandalar. They were designed for 110-120, and 120 onward. By the time 9.0's new level system/squish happened, Zandalar and Kul Tiras became fuctional as BOTH 1-50 and 50-60, and so on. (though it was really 1-45, 45-50 and onward, you know though)

Which from where I'm standing, would be a dream. I'd probably sub as long as I could during THAT expack. Alts galore!

Not necessarily havingg separate areas when it comes to a world revamp, that could easily just go 10-60. I am rather talking about expansion after that even, when it would streamline things immensely to just have a baseline 10-50 zone without having to worry about future narratives coming too abruptly.

Currently the way levelling works in-game is that 1-10 is the tutorial, then 10-50 is the gradual adjustment to escalating gameplay mechanics as well as learning about the world in general, then 50-60 is the actual important bit where players learn about the expansion specifically.

In future expansion SL would be a bit of an odd one out because the plot doesnt work nearly as well for a new player fresh off of Exile's reach compared to the current 10-50 area of Kul Tiras and Zandalar which are far more "generic".

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Honestly, we won't really have any idea what their plan going forward is until we actually get to see it. They could just go back to each expansion adding another 10 levels, like with iLvl squishes, or they could keep it at a fixed 60. There's valid arguments for either option.

I would argue that the current system being a smash hit would mean that Blizzard recognizes that simply repeating the mistake of expansion stories in the past would be a bad move.

They could obviously simply ignore it, but just like with the stat squish I think this is a system that Blizzard would want to carry forward.

[Makabreska]

Why? Nothing she'd like to do is over there. Bottom of the line is, Alleria is a pretty irrelevant character.

And my point still stands. There are many characters who stand out much further than Alleria and Turalyon. Their deeds are outshined by just about anyone else who hasn't just completely disappeared for most of the series' history.

And must we knitpick? The factions have had so many different iterations and additions, anything before WCIII could be considered "the old alliance".

So like, characters are irrelevant, because she skipped content in which they were relevant? It's like saying "Khadgar/Garrosh were irrelevant, I didn't see them while leveling".

Alleria and Turalyon were major players in Legion, and less so in BfA. Just because a character stepped back from the foreground for the time being does not make them irrelevant. They will be back.

[therumblings]

https://twitter.com/jeffahamilton/st...19803421171714

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Uh oh......

[huth]

https://twitter.com/jeffahamilton/st...19803421171714

Clearly, it's Or.

[Nyel]

https://twitter.com/jeffahamilton/st...19803421171714

Couldn’t this be related to the TBC pre patch coming to PTR? Timing would seem right. Just curious.

[therumblings]

Couldn’t this be related to the TBC pre patch coming to PTR? Timing would seem right. Just curious.

I'd say retail PTR push, considering the guy is on the retail team, but I have no idea, pretty strange for a monday regardless.

[huth]

I'd say retail PTR push, considering the guy is on the retail team, but I have no idea, pretty strange for a monday regardless.

Definitely would make more sense. There's also the question whether BC needs much in the way of PTR testing... did it even have any pre-event? Can't recall anything about that time anymore.

[Nyel]

I'd say retail PTR push, considering the guy is on the retail team, but I have no idea, pretty strange for a monday regardless.

Yeah that was my question if he’s specifically working on retail, never heard of him that’s why I asked.

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Definitely would make more sense. There's also the question whether BC needs much in the way of PTR testing... did it even have any pre-event? Can't recall anything about that time anymore.

I think there was a little demon invasion going on in the Blasted Lands, but it’s 14 years for me as well and I don’t remember it correctly.

[huth]

I think there was a little demon invasion going on in the Blasted Lands, but it’s 14 years for me as well and I don’t remember it correctly.

Now i remember. Although "Demon Slaughter Fest" might be more accurate. Not much in terms of invasion.

[TheFirstOnes]

Couldn’t this be related to the TBC pre patch coming to PTR? Timing would seem right. Just curious.

Ehhhh? Seems more akin to Retail PTR imo. I’d assume this weeks build would be big. Maybe Korthia additions, some music hopefully?, Updated Arthas model to fit with the Uther questline, etc

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Yeah that was my question if he’s specifically working on retail, never heard of him that’s why I asked.

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I think there was a little demon invasion going on in the Blasted Lands, but it’s 14 years for me as well and I don’t remember it correctly.

Yeah, that. Idk how TBC PTR would fit tbh. I was maybe thinking next week tbh.

[Kellorion]

I wonder if Putress worked for the Jailer or was just a means to an end?

[Stardrift]

Bummer. BfA questing was quite good But fine, you win

I'll agree with you there! I actually didn't mind it. Zones could've had a bit more variety (Kul'tiras especially) but other than that, I had no complaints.

I'll drag her through there some day

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So like, characters are irrelevant, because she skipped content in which they were relevant? It's like saying "Khadgar/Garrosh were irrelevant, I didn't see them while leveling".

Alleria and Turalyon were major players in Legion, and less so in BfA. Just because a character stepped back from the foreground for the time being does not make them irrelevant. They will be back.

Their only major and relevant appearance to the plot was in 7.3, on Argus. Immediately after, Alleria and Turalyon were put on the backburners for the future inevitable light vs void expansion.

As of right now though? The both of them are entirely irrelevant all through BFA and SL post 9.1.

[therumblings]

I guess no build tonight then? Unless they are pushing it really late.

[Dracullus]

TBC June 1st release date leak would be a way to still release 9.1 on Q2, 29th/30th is far enough. Typical retail player trying Classic would probably last 2-3 weeks - level and do few Karazhan runs.

Although I still completely don't get why they didn't schedule TBC to be put between 9.1 and 9.2 like with oryginal Classic.