I'm saying that alongside Wrathion, Wrathion searching for the dragon isles, a new dragon flight having evolved from N'zoth, a new chromatic dragon being discovered during Island Expeditions, Vexonia, the uncorrupted Voidwing, the Steamscale Incinerator, the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling, Time Cap'n Hooktail, the dragon pack, and the encrypted mount certainly seem to indicate dragons.....
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Yeah, let's show the lore of ETC;
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Eli...ain%20(L70ETC)Elite Tauren Chieftain (abbreviated for simplicity as ETC; for other and previous names see below) is an American band comprised of employees of Blizzard Entertainment. The band's virtual alter ego, The Tauren Chieftains and the Elite Tauren Chieftain,[1] appear in World of Warcraft as a band comprised of members of the Horde, and retain the logo used by the Level 70 Elite incarnation of the real-life band. Their gimmick revolves around writing content that is based on mainly subjects related to the Warcraft universe, though they have more recently extended into StarCraft and Diablo lore as well. The band debuted in 2003 with their first song, "Power of the Horde", which was featured in the credits of Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne and Warcraft III: Reforged.
You want to build a class and expansion lore around that?
I’d consider an expansion that’d lead us/allow Tinkers would be as polarizing as MoP. Great expansion in ways, but thematically distinct.
I knew this would be where we'd get. But you purposefully ignore every potential "Bard" reference in WoW (the two bands, the April Fool's Joke, Russel the Bard, nameless Bards, a popular character in HotS (which is most of the structure for your Dragonborne class, so that has to count too.)) just because it doesn't fit your criteria. You seem to be under the impression that Blizzard has strict rules about what can and can't be a class, and as someone who actually knows a two people on the dev team, you're way, way overthinking it.
You also seem to be under the impression that it has to either be your two ideas or nothing. Frankly, I'd like multiple new ideas and welcome all of them. Let's get Tinkers, Dragons, Bards *and* anything else.
You really shouldn't look at things as definitively having to work a certain way though, or that the dev team literally needs to do something one way, unless you want to look back on 2015 Teriz' Demon Hunter opinions.
The Wow Classes more closely resemble the Dungeons & Dragons classes than Warcraft 3 classes, with the exception of Hero Classes (which have been pretty much phased out, since they removed their iconic requirements & increased starting level) Priests got nothing from Tyrande. Rogues were created wholesale. Hunters only resemble Rexxar in that they have a pet & none of his abilities. Etc.
Yes. But also, a.) why would an expansion need to revolve around the new class? There's a lot of aesthetic similarity between a new class & the expansion they were added, but the story absolutely did not revolve around that class. And b.) I sense a lot of denial about how much WoW lifts directly from Wizards of the Coasts properties. Google what the moon goddess is named in the Forgotten Realms. Or where the term Shadowlands comes from.
Remember when they added Tyreal's Charger & they had a Diablo themed expansion? That was my favorite. With the Winged Guardian shop mount expansion being a close second.
No, my structure for a dragonborne class is numerous draconic characters in WoW lore who disguise themselves as mortals. We're talking about major characters like Wrathion, Chromie, and Alexstraza. Now once again, compare them to Russell the Bard. You didn't answer my question, so I'll ask again; What has he done exactly? Has he gone on any missions? Has he participated in any major events? Has he traveled anywhere beyond his tavern?
And I'll ask this question as well; Name some unique Bard abilities. Demon Hunters had Metamorphosis and Mana Burn. Death Knights had Death Pact and Unholy Aura. Monks had Breath of Fire and Drunken Haze. What's a unique Bard ability?
I'd like to see multiple new ideas as well, however, we should also recognize why Blizzard has only released 3 new class in the span of almost 20 years; It's because they're very conservative about their classes, and only certain classes make sense in WoW. That is by design.You also seem to be under the impression that it has to either be your two ideas or nothing. Frankly, I'd like multiple new ideas and welcome all of them. Let's get Tinkers, Dragons, Bards *and* anything else.
And I stand by those opinions. I predicted that the Demon Hunter would be a shallow class that hinged largely on Metamorphosis, and I was correct. You'll pardon me if I didn't believe that Blizzard would purposely gut a popular Warlock spec to bring DHs in the game.You really shouldn't look at things as definitively having to work a certain way though, or that the dev team literally needs to do something one way, unless you want to look back on 2015 Teriz' Demon Hunter opinions.
Hey Teriz,
Were I to fast forward a couple of days and see what you're reaction was like to a hypothetical expansion reveal that had literally no connection to dragons or tinkers, what would it look like?
Vanilla NE Priests had a version of Starfall.
Nah, they were based largely on Wardens. In WC3 Wardens were originally Assassins, but Blizzard altered their lore and changed their name, but retained their abilities. Hence why Rogues got quite a few of their abilities. In addition there was the halfocren Rogue Garona.Rogues were created wholesale.
Stampede is a Beastmaster talent, and the entire concept of melee hunters comes from Rexxar.Hunters only resemble Rexxar in that they have a pet & none of his abilities. Etc.
Because a new class is a pretty big deal, and needs to make sense within the expansion of its release. Also every class had some level of connection to the expansion it was released in. It certainly helps that the major characters of those expansions; LK, Chen, and Illidan were members of the new class.Yes. But also, a.) why would an expansion need to revolve around the new class? There's a lot of aesthetic similarity between a new class & the expansion they were added, but the story absolutely did not revolve around that class. And b.) I sense a lot of denial about how much WoW lifts directly from Wizards of the Coasts properties. Google what the moon goddess is named in the Forgotten Realms. Or where the term Shadowlands comes from.
I missed the part where I said that EVERY mount released is related to the next expansion....Remember when they added Tyreal's Charger & they had a Diablo themed expansion? That was my favorite. With the Winged Guardian shop mount expansion being a close second.
Nope, but there's plenty of time to explore that in the future. To say it can't happen, given that Bards are the last remaining classical DnD class (something foundational for WoW's creation) is just as silly as saying they'll never do Demon Hunters. Why do you think they even thought of an April Fool's joke for Bards in the first place?
ETC's got Stage Dive, Face Melt, Mosh Pit, any of those could be utilized or repurposed for whatever flavor of Bard they'd use.And I'll ask this question as well; Name some unique Bard abilities. Demon Hunters had Metamorphosis and Mana Burn. Death Knights had Death Pact and Unholy Aura. Monks had Breath of Fire and Drunken Haze. What's a unique Bard ability?
My point isn't that they'll do it *now*, I don't think that in the slightest, but setup can be done any time they want.
And then it shouldn't surprise you plenty of people only care about something like Bard, given it's a classical RPG class. If there's a few slots, people want it given to whatever they're most familiar with. Most people don't give a damn about "setup" and I wish you'd realize that. Setup can be done when it's time, anyway.I'd like to see multiple new ideas as well, however, we should also recognize why Blizzard has only released 3 new class in the span of almost 20 years; It's because they're very conservative about their classes, and only certain classes make sense in WoW. That is by design.
Wrong is still wrong, man. We said it could happen, and it did. Blizzard will do whatever they want to establish whatever they want. I was right about Void Elves, too.And I stand by those opinions. I predicted that the Demon Hunter would be a shallow class that hinged largely on Metamorphosis, and I was correct. You'll pardon me if I didn't believe that Blizzard would purposely gut a popular Warlock spec to bring DHs in the game.
Citation needed. They were based on run-of-the-mill bandits and Outlaws. They didn't get Warden flavor until BC.
Stampede was added way, WAY later. Like, waaaay later. MoP later. It's hardly comparable to Hunters in Vanilla, who shared nothing with Rexxar.Stampede is a Beastmaster talent, and the entire concept of melee hunters comes from Rexxar.
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Yes, and they are pretty specific to the mounts datamined shortly prior to the next expansions. This is whyy no one would use an example like the Steamscale or Dreadwake mounts in this conversation. We aren't just talking about any shop mount for the sake of being a shop mount.
Well that's always great to see. Hype feels good.
You wouldn't feel silly about the thousands of pages of discussion insisting on the dragon stuff?
What D&D does has little bearing on what is contained in WoW. Again, they had a TTRPG largely based on D&D and they STILL didn't create a Bard class.
Because Guitar Hero was a popular game at the time. That's about it.Why do you think they even thought of an April Fool's joke for Bards in the first place?
So you honestly believe they're going to use heavy metal concepts for a Bard class in a high fantasy setting?ETC's got Stage Dive, Face Melt, Mosh Pit, any of those could be utilized or repurposed for whatever flavor of Bard they'd use.
People are free to want whatever they want. I'm merely pointing out that the Bard lacks significant lore foundations to be a WoW class. There's nothing there except a spoof of a rock band, and a homage to a former sound designer. Again, this dearth of Bard lore is by design.And then it shouldn't surprise you plenty of people only care about something like Bard, given it's a classical RPG class. If there's a few slots, people want it given to whatever they're most familiar with. Most people don't give a damn about "setup" and I wish you'd realize that. Setup can be done when it's time, anyway.
Yes, as spoof characters. They're not characters like Anduin, Wrathion, Gazlowe, Thrall, etc. They're just tongue and cheek additions to the game. You're never going to see them in raids helping you slay bosses, go on missions for the Horde, or anything like that.
You might as well say that they're going to make a Mr. T. Mohawk class that tosses mohawk grenades.
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Point is that you saying heavy metal & it’s concepts won’t be used in a high fantasy setting is false.
Probably why you deleted the part after showing all the items the player can already get.
Also they could easily always give them a bit more lore in future expansions, especially if we ever fight Murmur, who is a sound elemental, in his full form.
Of course bards like ETC and Blight Boar would be perfect fighting something like that.
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From what I understand the fae set was supposed to be a reward from an Emerald Dreamway murder mystery that was supposed to be in BfA.
Assuming it was supposed to be like the Deaths of Chromie.
(Which I wouldn’t be surprised if it popped up in next xpac if it’s dragon themed)