Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Sondrelk]

I'm pretty happy if Blizzard are making all Raid Tiers in an expansion relevant. Yes, there's itemization concern but Mythic already had them. Variety is the spice of life and I think it is really nice.

Obviously I'd prefer Progressive Raiding than to just basically upgrade ilvl every Season. But, hey I am liking this!

Good stuff, happy to see that Q4 2022 is dead in the water now. Thank fuck.

I don't think making all the raids valid is the correct move as that just places undue pressure on making tier sets and trinkets that are not too disruptive, which tends to mean fewer fun abilities.

What I would like though is making more old raids into Timewalking, and have them on a rotation so you can gear through several avenues on a more lenient lockout, maybe 2-3 months per raid.
So you do the first raid of 10.0, but you can also get gear from NM and possibly HC versions of Isle of Thunder, which later in the tier swaps to Blackrock Foundry. Next tier maybe it's raids in Firelands and Battle for Dazar'alor?

Also how is Q4 2022 dead in the water? We don't know anything about the expansion at all other than that there will be a later tier that is specifically stated to be designed with less prestige in mind.
A 2022 release isnt off the table until it is either specifically stated, or Alpha/Beta starts much later than what would allow a full development cycle in time for a release.

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and definitely confirms the existence of a scrapped SL tier.

I mean, does it? WoD also had an extra "season" at the end, and all that had were recolors of the same appearances from the previous one. No reason to assume this won't be the same and just give another couple unused mount tints.

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Season 4 "intention announcement" seems interesting... specifically adding new M+ dungeon selections into the current pool is always welcomed. For the WoD choices I've voted for Grimrail Depot (get mad haters) and Upper Blackrock Spire.


Adding a seasonal affix to all of the Shadowlands raids and making them all relevant again is an awesome idea... but I wonder how loot scaling will go. I assume LFR, Normal, Heroic, and Mythic item levels will scale the same across all of the raids?
"More power levels of raid loot dropping throughout all of them" ...so I can chase after my beloved Occular Gland again. Lit.


Also don't expect 10.0 to launch in the first 2 quarters of 2023. Late 2023/early 2024 is my guess now.

[Sondrelk]

Season 4 "intention announcement" seems interesting... specifically adding new M+ dungeon selections into the current pool is always welcomed. For the WoD choices I've voted for Grimrail Depot (get mad haters) and Upper Blackrock Spire.


Adding a seasonal affix to all of the Shadowlands raids and making them all relevant again is an awesome idea... but I wonder how loot scaling will go. I assume LFR, Normal, Heroic, and Mythic item levels will scale the same across all of the raids?

Aww yeah, Grimrail Depot 4ever. Never listen to those who just want a safe experience. I want to hijack a train and use gatling guns to kill legions of mooks.

[draugril]

Season 4 "intention announcement" seems interesting... specifically adding new M+ dungeon selections into the current pool is always welcomed. For the WoD choices I've voted for Grimrail Depot (get mad haters) and Upper Blackrock Spire.


Adding a seasonal affix to all of the Shadowlands raids and making them all relevant again is an awesome idea... but I wonder how loot scaling will go. I assume LFR, Normal, Heroic, and Mythic item levels will scale the same across all of the raids?


Also don't expect 10.0 to launch in the first 2 quarters of 2023. Late 2023/early 2024 is my guess now.

I really hope UBRS breaks into the top two. As fun as some of those dungeons were, and even considering that it was a remake, UBRS is just absolutely iconic.

[infinitemeridian]

So are they retiring the dungeons from SL or are the S4 dungeons on top of that? It sounds like these 8 will replace what we currently have instead of expanding the pool.

[Sondrelk]

I really hope UBRS breaks into the top two. As fun as some of those dungeons were, and even considering that it was a remake, UBRS is just absolutely iconic.

As much as I don't love that dungeon I will absolutely vote for it solely to give me a reason to visit it. And also because any chance at Bloodmaul Slag Mines winning the poll is a risk too high.

The forums don't seem to want me to log in though, so maybe they know what I intend to vote and are trying to stop me...

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So are they retiring the dungeons from SL or are the S4 dungeons on top of that? It sounds like these 8 will replace what we currently have instead of expanding the pool.

No, all the SL dungeons are still there for M+. They are upper/lower Karazhan from Legion, upper/lower Mechagon from BfA, and 2 dungeons from WoD. They are widening the pool.

[Sondrelk]

So are they retiring the dungeons from SL or are the S4 dungeons on top of that? It sounds like these 8 will replace what we currently have instead of expanding the pool.

I think they are just added. The words used are "include" though, so might be that they full replace the ones we have. Might be why they are upfront about not having leaderboards, might be putting a bit too much pressure on getting it just right if those are the only M+ dungeons we can go for.

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I really hope UBRS breaks into the top two. As fun as some of those dungeons were, and even considering that it was a remake, UBRS is just absolutely iconic.

Same. I loved vanilla WoW UBRS and even liked the WoD remake.

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Aww yeah, Grimrail Depot 4ever. Never listen to those who just want a safe experience. I want to hijack a train and use gatling guns to kill legions of mooks.

RIP all pug groups on 2nd boss.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Looking at this poll I forgot how many good dungeons were in WoD because all anyone ever seemed to run was the damn train dungeon.

Gimme Auchindoun and Skyreach.

[Lahis]

So 10.0 late 2023 at this point?

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

THIS IS NOT A DRILL!

"New Tirisfall Glades map." (No image yet)

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/statu...43242425581572

[Hyrja]

9.2.5 on PTR! 800MB update coming from 9.2

[Dracullus]

just stiven's twitter, nothing visual atm.

that's almost impossible, but what if they are actually doing Wow 2 à la Overwatch? wowdev1 is the legacy evergreen wow, wowdev2 is classic, wowdev3 is the future.

10.0 with Revamp, new engine and new client? Hell yeah.

Another theory I have is that wowdev3 is for 10.0 demo, usually it was on Blizzcon/Gamescom on their computers, but now reveal is digital.

[draugril]

As much as I don't love that dungeon I will absolutely vote for it solely to give me a reason to visit it. And also because any chance at Bloodmaul Slag Mines winning the poll is a risk too high.

The forums don't seem to want me to log in though, so maybe they know what I intend to vote and are trying to stop me...

I'd need to resub to vote. So if in a week, UBRS needs one more vote... that's worth $15 to me.

[Grimbold21]

Looking at this poll I forgot how many good dungeons were in WoD because all anyone ever seemed to run was the damn train dungeon.

Gimme Auchindoun and Skyreach.

Jeisus, Skyreach? I'd put that in the "Please No" pile along with Grimrail Depot.

Id personally go BSM+UBRS; BSM + SMB; SMB + UBRS

Shadowmoon Burial Grounds would be fun just cause even back in WoD, ppl used to wipe a lot on Ner'zhul

[Kiivar86]

Apparently a new Khadgar model?

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/statu...44203625930752

Or something at least.

[Sondrelk]

Same. I loved vanilla WoW UBRS and even liked the WoD remake.

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RIP all pug groups on 2nd boss.

Going by the poll it seems like Grimrail Depot is by far and away the favorite, with Iron Docks as the far away second, and Everbloom and UBRS as the runner ups.
Never got the appeal of Iron Docks, but I have been told it's the favorite dungeon of many, so shouldnt be a surprise.

Hopefully this trend keeps going and it isnt just a case of the most fervent believers in Grimrail Depot voting first.

[Kiivar86]

Going by the poll it seems like Grimrail Depot is by far and away the favorite, with Iron Docks as the far away second, and Everbloom and UBRS as the runner ups.
Never got the appeal of Iron Docks, but I have been told it's the favorite dungeon of many, so shouldnt be a surprise.

Hopefully this trend keeps going and it isnt just a case of the most fervent believers in Grimrail Depot voting first.

Ew, Iron Docks? Yeah I never got that one either.

Auchindoun's my favorite so sad to see it apparently not even rank.

[Sondrelk]

Jeisus, Skyreach? I'd put that in the "Please No" pile along with Grimrail Depot.

Id personally go BSM+UBRS; BSM + SMB; SMB + UBRS

Shadowmoon Burial Grounds would be fun just cause even back in WoD, ppl used to wipe a lot on Ner'zhul

Why in gods name would you want to run BSM in M+, that dungeon is easily among the most boring and unimaginative dungeons Blizzard have made.