Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Wangming]

I'd always be down for more druids and druid forms, I'd love to see old races get unique druid forms. The way they added druid stuff to the barber in SL has been amazing.

As a fan of Gilnean lore all the love to Kul Tiran druids made me a bit jelous. not gonna lie.

[PhillyCheese]

Can any dataminers clear something up?

On MMOC there was a datamined string about Teldrassil in 9.2.5 that looked like this: I thought I was crazy but the general forums are backing this up.

Questing

Kalimdor > Teldrassil - Map: Kalimdor. Area: Teldrassil.

Was this deleted because it was a mistake? Or was it deleted because someone asked them to?

[Fahrad Wagner]

As a fan of Gilnean lore all the love to Kul Tiran druids made me a bit jelous. not gonna lie.

They deserve at least as much love as Zandalari and KT druids got. I hope this gets revisited in the future, Zandalari and KT druid forms are fantastic and should serve as direction for all other races other than NE and Tauren.

[therumblings]

Also I don't see how the Tuskarr model is any less playable than the Pandaren model.

[Marlamin]

I could see them revamping/merging some races eventually, right now the biggest issue is racials. If they ever addressed or changed racials I could see, for example, Lightforged being merged under the Draenei label. IIRC @Marlamin and some dataminers found evidence of changing the actual race tag on some races to show up as something else like High Elf for Void Elf for example. There are a lot of possibilities and ways to address this.

I both remember and don't remember this, so I got nothing.

Can any dataminers clear something up?

On MMOC there was a datamined string about Teldrassil in 9.2.5 that looked like this: I thought I was crazy but the general forums are backing this up.



Was this deleted because it was a mistake? Or was it deleted because someone asked them to?

It was deleted, but likely because the initial set of diffs were working with broken database tables due to some structure changes.

[therumblings]

I both remember and don't remember this, so I got nothing.

I remember it being around SL launch, but it's been so long I honestly don't remember.

[PhillyCheese]

Isn't the race tag thing already implemented, where NPCs will call you Zandalari instead of just troll?

[Wangming]

I agree, especially since the work has already been done.

And also because while spirit wolves make a lot of sense for orcs, they make less sense for saaaay tidesages. They would go with idunno, spirit crab forms.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Also I don't see how the Tuskarr model is any less playable than the Pandaren model.

It's not, and it would make a fantastic neutral race. Same goes for Furbolgs and Tortollans.

[therumblings]

Isn't the race tag thing already implemented, where NPCs will call you Zandalari instead of just troll?

I also remember that, it might be related.

[manypillars]

What's happening in Tirisfal? Why is Calia involved? There's a LOT of VO and things encrypted there.

Blizzard wants Calia to replace Sylvanas, possibly with Voss as her advisor. I'm not a fan because I don't want hand me down Alliance characters for Horde leaders, especially since they don't bother to develop Horde characters unless it's a meme or to kill them. On the plus side, Voss would be a key character in the event there's any major Scarlet Crusade plots so developing her is good, and in a distant improbable future where faction war is not a major part of WoW Undercity might make an interesting hub with a city of the living above ground and a city of the dead below.

Why is there another encrypted Anduin model?

Anduin is the new Sylvanas- he gets a new model every patch! But seriously, if they're moving the story forward in 9.2.5 they need a cleaned up, but also worse for the wear Anduin model/texture. Blizzard is not great and storytelling, but it would be really odd to immediately pop him back to fit as a fiddle immediately following being enslaved by the Jailer for a good chunk of the expansion.

What's the encrypted item set for?

Why are there still two encrypted achievements from 9.2? Are those for next reset's content?

Going to guess that with the expansion announcement in under a month the set could be collector's edition/digital deluxe swag, along with achievements related to them. Maybe I've missed it (I haven't been really paying attention, sorry), but is there an ahead of the curve mount?

I dunno, I don't really have anything insightful to add. People who are absolutely dead set on certain classes, races, and expansion themes tend to go kind of insane if they don't get what they want on announcement. Maybe some people might want to have a little moment of self reflection before the 19th so they don't get a forum vacation courtesy the mods and miss out on some of the post announcement hype training.

[Fahrad Wagner]

And also because while spirit wolves make a lot of sense for orcs, they make less sense for saaaay tidesages. They would go with idunno, spirit crab forms.

I was going with spirit cormorant but YES, spirit crab, I'm here for it!

[PhillyCheese]

And also because while spirit wolves make a lot of sense for orcs, they make less sense for saaaay tidesages. They would go with idunno, spirit crab forms.

IDK the internal reason for no more soulshapes, but new additions are definitely happening if they added two for SL (SL focused creatures but still).

Also more travel forms that aren't racially-tied will probably be a new thing as well, as we see with the SL creature forms.

[Wangming]

Anduin is the new Sylvanas- he gets a new model every patch!

Each version more fetish fuel than the last A few patches and we will get catboy Anduin.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Isn't the race tag thing already implemented, where NPCs will call you Zandalari instead of just troll?

I just wish it was something as simple as ticking a case when created the character. Do you want to be referred to as 1. High Elf or 2. Void Elf., as 1. Dwarf 2. Wildhammer, etc. This could add further to the character customisation, and it's such a small thing to add (I think?).

I also hope they'll revamp the character screen background for some of the older races, and adjust it for the AR so we have something that is more fitted and well-centered for some races, with less light issues as well. It's details... but to me it's important!

Each version more fetish fuel than the last A few patches and we will get catboy Anduin.

Please stop, you're gonna wake Wrathion up.

[therumblings]

It's details... but to me it's important!

Sometimes I feel like the only one, but some of the most minor and easily fixable little things like that always bug me! Goblins for example, their background really should be elsewhere, rather than the Island they crashed on for 5 levels.

[PhillyCheese]

I just wish it was something as simple as ticking a case when created the character. Do you want to be referred to as 1. High Elf or 2. Void Elf., as 1. Dwarf 2. Wildhammer, etc. This could add further to the character customisation, and it's such a small thing to add (I think?).

I also hope they'll revamp the character screen background for some of the older races, and adjust it for the AR so we have something that is more fitted and well-centered for some races, with less light issues as well. It's details... but to me it's important!

This is one thing that points to a revamp for me. People are sleeping on how shitty the game looks graphically to new players: Exile's Reach consolidates introductions for new players, but people forget it also looks really nice and Blizzard made it look really nice on purpose. This is also probably why they updated Arathi and Warsong: because PVPers see the same areas over and over again, they need them to look nicer.

If the next expansion is on Azeroth, which it seems to be, Blizzard is very likely to make many graphical adjustments so that casual new players don't immediately log after seeing how godawful Stormwind and Org look.

They can get away with having new players be in SW/Org for two seconds before going to Dragon Isles but again there are way too many racial stories set up in BFA and SL that can't all happen on Dragon Isles.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Sometimes I feel like the only one, but some of the most minor and easily fixable little things like that always bug me! Goblins for example, their background really should be elsewhere, rather than the Island they crashed on for 5 levels.

Yeeeep, it makes no sense at all. Neither does the one for the Mag'har with is Iron Horde aesthetics, or the fact that the Zandalari troll background is at night time...

It doesn't sound like much, but it bugs me out everytime. That and the terrible lighting choices in the Vulpera one...

This is one thing that points to a revamp for me. People are sleeping on how shitty the game looks graphically to new players: Exile's Reach consolidates introductions for new players, but people forget it also looks really nice and Blizzard made it look really nice on purpose. This is also probably why they updated Arathi and Warsong: because PVPers see the same areas over and over again, they need them to look nicer.

If the next expansion is on Azeroth, which it seems to be, Blizzard is very likely to make many graphical adjustments so that casual new players don't immediately log after seeing how godawful Stormwind and Org look.

They can get away with having new players be in SW/Org for two seconds before going to Dragon Isles but again there are way too many racial stories set up in BFA and SL that can't all happen on Dragon Isles.

Orgrimmar and Stormwind deserve some proper HD love, I agree. As for Exile's Reach, the whole experience looks fantastic and modern: jumping into the old world after that... is an eye sore, I won't lie. But I'm hopeful, if not for the next expansion that eventually the old world will receive some love, even if it is gradual (actually that might even be better than a whole revamp done at once).

[PhillyCheese]

Yeeeep, it makes no sense at all. Neither does the one for the Mag'har with is Iron Horde aesthetics, or the fact that the Zandalari troll background is at night time...

It doesn't sound like much, but it bugs me out everytime. That and the terrible lighting choices in the Vulpera one...



Orgrimmar and Stormwind deserve some proper HD love, I agree. As for Exile's Reach, the whole experience looks fantastic and modern: jumping into the old world after that... is an eye sore, I won't lie. But I'm hopeful, if not for the next expansion that eventually the old world will receive some love, even if it is gradual (actually that might even be better than a whole revamp done at once).

It made sense lorewise to happen after BFA, but there wasn't a lot of stuff in the files. Now we have more stuff in the files AND a shorter expansion pointing towards a cut for a larger expansion following, as well as no direct expansion hook like Sylvanas -> Shadowlands.

If we don't get a revamp for 10.0 it's solely because they STILL need more time, which they needed after BFA. It's not a matter of if its a matter of when and they wouldn't bother to make so many nice old world assets in HD for Arathi and Warsong when they are experienced solely by PVPers.

The biggest worry is the lack of HD resources for races like Dwarves and several Kalimdor Horde races, but that doesn't discount those being part of 10.0 launch. But... this could explain an EK-only expansion, as controversial as it would be.

[huth]

What alternate clues have I missed? You can’t make claims like this and not provide any evidence. I’m perfectly willing to stack whatever alternatives you’re talking about against Dragon and Undermine hints and see what we come up with.

And with that you once again show you haven't grasped what the problem even is.

Your fundamental approach to the situation is incorrect. Not your analysis ony any particular piece of evidence. Giving you more evidence is pointless because you can't properly process it.