Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Soulwind]

I like the idea that they would betray everyone else but not each other (unless under extreme duress like with Varimathras) and certainly not their dad. I think it's much more interesting to have a race that is extremely deceitful and at the same time extremely loyal to their own.

I'd almost go for the opposite, a race created for deception that is unable to resist betraying everyone they work with, even if they don't really have a reason to, or a hidden master. Intelligent and sentient, but with such a strong instinct that they feel powerless to their own nature.

Not to go back to the previous conversation about "fiction representing modern issues", but there could be some commentary on addiction to go along with that. Lothraxion legitimally wanting to give himself to a higher power, and maybe failing to do so.

[Osmeric]

I'd almost go for the opposite, a race created for deception that is unable to resist betraying everyone they work with, even if they don't really have a reason to, or a hidden master. Intelligent and sentient, but with such a strong instinct that they feel powerless to their own nature.

Not to go back to the previous conversation about "fiction representing modern issues", but there could be some commentary on addiction to go along with that. Lothraxion legitimally wanting to give himself to a higher power, and maybe failing to do so.

I'm imagining a Dreadlord that believes in honesty, and works to subvert the rest of their society. They'd be seen as evil.

[Lahis]

A level squish every couple of years is fine (maybe the next time we get to 100 or 120) but I wouldn't vote for it right now. It feels unnecessary.

Dropping from 100 to 50 would feel most natural way to do it, just halve everything. 120 to 50 seemed bit weird, but they wanted 60 to be the SL cap.

[Izalla]

It was, Council of Glades was around when we were speculating about 8.0, and then 9.0 speculation was also bringing up Lordaeron because of the mess BfA left.

Wasn't Council of Glades WoD era? Or was that just The Dark Below?

[draugril]

I'm imagining a Dreadlord that believes in honesty, and works to subvert the rest of their society. They'd be seen as evil.

I mean... Lothraxion? Maybe he is legitimately trying to be "good," but deep down, he only did so to betray his race. And once he's been fully accepted, that urge to betray will begin to stir once more...

[Kiivar86]

"Oh, the leak is real, things just changed since then" is my favourite cope, because it essentially means that nothing in the leak matches with reality and you just want it to be real.

Orcs LITERALLY get corrupted by even being exposed to fel magic. They don't have to use it. They get corrupted simply from being close to people practicing it. A Mag'har Orc Warlock wouldn't be a Mag'har Orc Warlock. It would be an Orc. It would no longer be uncorrupted lmao.

And yes, it's not a reindeer mount. This is a reindeer mount and is probably what the OP banked on. And while there are reindeers involved in that mount, if you call that a reindeer mount, then you are being obtuse on purpose.

I'm always amused by people going "well things have changed since the leak" or "leakers put in a bunch of fake parts to hide the truth". Its just goalpost moving.

And yeah as I've argued a bit zealously, the reindeer mount does not match to a sleigh. Yes, they are involved in a sleigh, but the "leaker" didn't say anything about a sleigh, just a reindeer mount. Its a big omission. Furthermore the mount is PH anyway and currently lists Uncle Bigpockets in Kun-lai as a vendor so it could be damn near anything right now anyway.

[Wangming]

Wasn't Council of Glades WoD era? Or was that just The Dark Below?

That was 2015 soo actually Legion. As in CoG was a thing a year into WoD.

[Santandame]

Wasn't Council of Glades WoD era? Or was that just The Dark Below?

Council of Glades was definitely in the buildup for Legion.

WoD era leaks were The Dark Below being the favourite. Then we had the Heroes of the Storm trademark which people theorised could be the 6.0 expansion, obviously that turned out to be another game.

Then we got the WoD name drop leak with some theorising that the Warlords would be demon Warlords from the Legion and that we were going to get a second continent on Outland.

Then we got the actual WoD leak.

Council of Glades was definitely pre-Legion speculation. Forum members were theorising lots of stuff from a Lordaeron war expansion to Me'Dan coming in, to an Old God being beneath Tirisfal (this was actually explained in Legion to be Old God related in some artifact questlines).

BfA speculation was world revamp due to Sargeras sword and a resurrected C'thun/Black Empire. Then when we saw the Blizzcon setup and props, many began theorising Lordaeron again. Ultimately we got faction war and some Lordaeron.

Council of Glades was pre-Legion speculation, definitely.

[username993720]

Rather seems Darkfallen is more than undead elves though. Nathanos, the Undead Vrykul from Stormheim and the Outlaw artifact story all seem to be Darkfallen.So it is a form of undeath with characteristic red eyes and a far lower level of decay that occasionally but not always has vampiric attributes? Definitely could see it as a way to excuse an allied race.

How? There are different types of undead elves.

So a diverge group of undead who are mostly vampiric and include all known Dark Rangers in their ranks. It does seem to mirror the Illidari for a possible playable Dark Ranger.

My thought exactly.

Unless they just straight-up make Darkfallen a third faction with undead variants of present playable races. Seems like an easy and cost-effective way to give us more undead options and spice up the faction dynamic. Horde is no longer the evil one.

Unlikely. Unless you make a Night elven faction as well.

[Tusks r cool]

Are we still able to trace Blizzard's trademarks?

[Soulwind]

Are we still able to trace Blizzard's trademarks?

Sometimes they appear just before the annoucement. They've learned they can file them in specific countries, which dates the trademark at that moment, but won't show up in public databases until some months later.

[KayRule]

Yeah they've generally gotten pretty good at timing it out. Even big ones for new brands like Overwatch, which require dozens of extra filings to cover merch and stuff, only showed up hours before the reveal. That's why when anything shows up now, it's either them being cheeky or someone else filing a false filing that won't end up in the database.

[Wangming]

How? There are different types of undead elves.


Unlikely. Unless you make a Night elven faction as well.

I don't think it is much likely either, but a man can dream. Night Elves would be a weird faction with only one race. But it IS true that they don't really fit the Alliance. They are just there cause they had to be either Horde or the Alliance and they sure as fuck won't be Horde.

If the game were actually true to WCIII lore, there would be six factions:
- Alliance
- Horde
- Night Elves
- Undead
- Illidari
- Legion

Granted back then Illidari were pretty much (I pretend to serve the Legion but really don't) and Undead were in a sort of civil war between Sylvanas and Arthas. but you get the idea. And of course Blood Elves were Illidari.

[Zulggun]

This leak season is definitely too long. It was fun at start (as always) but now it all feels so tired, I feel tired with these bad ideas, or hearing the same thing repetead ad nauseam.
Please, let it be 19th already.

[Wangming]

This leak season is definitely too long. It was fun at start (as always) but now it all feels so tired, I feel tired with these bad ideas, or hearing the same thing repetead ad nauseam.
Please, let it be 19th already.

If you are bored, here is my fake leak back from mid february:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...E#post53595642

I'm actually pretty proud of it.

[Khaza-R]

I don't think it is much likely either, but a man can dream. Night Elves would be a weird faction with only one race. But it IS true that they don't really fit the Alliance. They are just there cause they had to be either Horde or the Alliance and they sure as fuck won't be Horde.

If the game were actually true to WCIII lore, there would be six factions:
- Alliance
- Horde
- Night Elves
- Undead
- Illidari
- Legion

Granted back then Illidari were pretty much (I pretend to serve the Legion but really don't) and Undead were in a sort of civil war between Sylvanas and Arthas. but you get the idea. And of course Blood Elves were Illidari.

That's pretty spot on because at one point in time they proposed 6 armies for WC3 instead of the 4 we ended up getting. With Demons and Naga as the 5th and 6th armies.

Shame Naga never became a playable race in WoW. It probably won't happen at this point either. From my understanding Metzen was the biggest proponent of trying to fit them into WoW.

[Vakir]

Leak Season just needs to not be a thing in general. It's a problem when every section becomes a dedicated place for fan fiction.

I can understand if someone posts an accompanying image or """proof""" or something, but why the hell even allow the sheer flood we see constantly. What separates a clear joke thread that gets instantly closed from a thread that gets to 10 pages that is so out there that it might as well be a joke thread anyway?

[Shadochi]

Leak Season just needs to not be a thing in general. It's a problem when every section becomes a dedicated place for fan fiction.

I can understand if someone posts an accompanying image or """proof""" or something, but why the hell even allow the sheer flood we see constantly. What separates a clear joke thread that gets instantly closed from a thread that gets to 10 pages that is so out there that it might as well be a joke thread anyway?

Leak seasons are fun for speculation and discussion. Only issue is here we had a delayed announcement (we usually get them around November every odd year) so the season has been going on much longer

[Wangming]

That's pretty spot on because at one point in time they proposed 6 armies for WC3 instead of the 4 we ended up getting. With Demons and Naga as the 5th and 6th armies.

Shame Naga never became a playable race in WoW. It probably won't happen at this point either. From my understanding Metzen was the biggest proponent of trying to fit them into WoW.

All the more reason to like the guy. Naga are awesome.

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Leak seasons are fun for speculation and discussion. Only issue is here we had a delayed announcement (we usually get them around November every odd year) so the season has been going on much longer

And none of them are cool meme potential leak like Wrath of the Bolvar or Corgis Unleashed. This leak season is long and boring.

[KayRule]

It's just a change in anticipation culture in general. I remember noticing it jarringly with Smash Bros. Having followed the hype from Brawl and Smash 4 with claimed leaks being so few and far between it was easy to document and keep track of them all, Smash Bros. Ultimate's announcement was followed by almost daily fake leaks, sometimes several a day depending on where you were.

I know for me, with WoW, the game has been such a massive disappointment for so long, as you start to rear around a new expansion, the hope things might turn around really kindles alot of speculation. I think some people are writing leaks out of boredom. Others showing off their ideas and fan fiction but knowing it would potentially get more attention if it was a leak. Others being passive aggressive and intentionally writing disappointing ones.