Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[therumblings]

I simply said they'll appear in an expansion about the Void, with a purple logo and a purple login screen.

I disagree. The void and light expansion/expansions could be separate from a Dragon Expansion. There has been suggestions that they could easily fit together but I don't see how having Dragons on their own with additional subplots is an impossible expansion concept.

[Sondrelk]

About Pandas, and about FACTION WAR, OLD GODS, TROLLS, and MOGU.

For instance, the entirety of 5.1 is about the faction war. Are pandas important in that patch? No. Their land simply becomes a battlefield and the action often moves elsewhere like in Darnassus (with the Divine Bell Theft), Dalaran (Purge of Dalaran), and Echo Isles (when Garrosh besieges it). 5.3 also has little to do with the pandas, it's mostly about the preparation for the Siege of Orgrimmar with fights in Durotar and Barrens.

So really the pandas weren't that important after the questing experience. Even in the Thunder King patch, the player forces were mostly led by Jaina and Theron, with the panda ninja tagging along to spew his usual nonsense about peace and balance.

In fact did anyone even care about the pandas after the questing experience? Nope. All focus was on Garrosh, Jaina, Varian, the Mogu, the Sha, Y'Shaarj.

The plot in MoP was about Faction War in Pandaria. What Blizzard adds to that is hardly the point. The Mogu and Thunder King is not literally pandas, but they are undoubtedly part of Pandaria and the ongoing struggle there.

[therumblings]

The thing is, it is really not. All the locations and their denizens easily fit into what already we had on the Azeroth. If zones weren't in afterlife and the races werent about "finding your place", people wouldn't notice. Legion was full cosmic at the end, where we literally fought space ships and had sci-fi architecture everywhere. And we just had an Azeroth expansion in BfA, where you deal with things like pirate rebellion and mysterious cults.

I actually agree with this, I'm mainly talking about the overarching plot and premise. Before Shadowlands we never really dived too deep into cosmic lore, and I'm still formulating my opinion on it.

[Nagawithlegs]

If I was a betting man I think Turalyon putting on the Crown of Light will be the big marketing thing for 10.0 with the name being “Awakening” or something similar (maybe the worlds soul)

[Varodoc]

The plot in MoP was about Faction War in Pandaria. What Blizzard adds to that is hardly the point. The Mogu and Thunder King is not literally pandas, but they are undoubtedly part of Pandaria and the ongoing struggle there.

The plot in MoP was about Faction war in Pandaria up to 5.2. And even that is debatable since the very infamous questline "Purge of Dalaran" had nothing to do with Pandaria.

After that the plot of the Faction war moves to Durotar and the Barrens and culminates in the Siege of Orgrimmar.

So not only it is incorrect to say that the pandas carried that expansion, it is also incorrect to say that that expansion took place mostly in Pandaria, because half of that expansion took place elsewhere. Even the scenarios of 5.3 (that had relevance to the plot) took place elsewhere. Like that Alliance scenario that took place in Dun Morogh, or that scenario that took place in some generic sea setting.

[Nagawithlegs]

The plot in MoP was about Faction war in Pandaria up to 5.2. And even that is debatable since the very infamous questline "Purge of Dalaran" had nothing to do with Pandaria.

After that the plot of the Faction war moves to Durotar and the Barrens and culminates in the Siege of Orgrimmar.

So not only it is incorrect to say that the pandas carried that expansion, it is also incorrect to say that that expansion took place mostly in Pandaria, because half of that expansion took place elsewhere. Even the scenarios of 5.3 (that had relevance to the plot) took place elsewhere. Like that Alliance scenario that took place in Dun Morogh, or that scenario that took place in some generic sea setting.

Funny that you mention how MoP pivots away from Pandaria because it looks like Shadowlands is doing the same thing. All the zone storylines are effectively finished save for the fate of Denathrius.

Unless we get covenant ARs we are probably done with the Shadowlands themselves this patch.

[Sondrelk]

Did you even read the context of the conversation before jumping in? Because apparently I have to explain this, No I didn't say the Dragon Isles will never appear, I simply said they'll appear in an expansion about the Void, with a purple logo and a purple login screen.

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I'm going to press X to Doubt. An expansion with C'Thun on the cover art would be more nostalgic than dragons. Since C'Thun is probably one of the most iconic bosses of "old WoW" (before Cataclysm). Along with Yogg-Saron naturally.

Besides the expansion that destroyed people's nostalgia the most had a dragon on its cover art so, not really.

Not that I think dragons are the biggest and best Nostalgia can offer, but players do like Dragons, and they do know to some extent who the important dragons are.

Besides, if you just want to go for dragon bosses as a source then they are pretty up there as far as nostalgia goes. We have Nefarian, who is one of the truly iconic raid bosses. We have Cata, which was just aghast with dragons. We have WotLK with big raid fights against dragons, including an entire 3 mini-raids dedicated to them, including an entire zone.
Pretty much every single expansion the devs make a point of having us fight a dragon in a big way, and the reason is very clearly that fighting dragons is the quintessential RPG staple, players generally just like dragons.

Why not have an expansion that focuses on Dragons to an extent? It is heavily hinted at, it is often mentioned as somehting players want, and there are loads of different avenues you could take to make a story around it.

[Makabreska]

Guys, we all know why Varodoc demands a Void expansion and brushes other ideas under it. It's so he can have a cheeky wank to his waifu Alleria.

[Varodoc]

Not that I think dragons are the biggest and best Nostalgia can offer, but players do like Dragons, and they do know to some extent who the important dragons are.

Besides, if you just want to go for dragon bosses as a source then they are pretty up there as far as nostalgia goes. We have Nefarian, who is one of the truly iconic raid bosses. We have Cata, which was just aghast with dragons. We have WotLK with big raid fights against dragons, including an entire 3 mini-raids dedicated to them, including an entire zone.
Pretty much every single expansion the devs make a point of having us fight a dragon in a big way, and the reason is very clearly that fighting dragons is the quintessential RPG staple, players generally just like dragons.

Why not have an expansion that focuses on Dragons to an extent? It is heavily hinted at, it is often mentioned as somehting players want, and there are loads of different avenues you could take to make a story around it.

Because I've been waiting like 5 years for an expansion about the Void so I'd rather just get right to it, I'm done waiting.

[therumblings]

Guys, we all know why Varodoc demands a Void expansion and brushes other ideas under it. It's so he can have a cheeky wank to his waifu Alleria.

I mean, obviously, but it's still fun to speculate. If only there was a dwarf expansion for me to have a biased wank over.

[Sondrelk]

The plot in MoP was about Faction war in Pandaria up to 5.2. And even that is debatable since the very infamous questline "Purge of Dalaran" had nothing to do with Pandaria.

After that the plot of the Faction war moves to Durotar and the Barrens and culminates in the Siege of Orgrimmar.

So not only it is incorrect to say that the pandas carried that expansion, it is also incorrect to say that that expansion took place mostly in Pandaria, because half of that expansion took place elsewhere. Even the scenarios of 5.3 (that had relevance to the plot) took place elsewhere. Like that Alliance scenario that took place in Dun Morogh, or that scenario that took place in some generic sea setting.

The plot was about Faction War in Pandaria in that the story was squarely focused on the Alliance and Horde going to Pandaria and what ended up happening as a result.

Yes we moved out of Pandaria midway, but I hardly see how that changes how the ending of the expansion is the Alliance and Horde teaming up to defeat Garrosh because of what happened in Pandaria.
The entire big macguffin the plot centers around is literally the Sha, which was found on Pandaria.

This is like arguing that Legion was not about defending Azeroth from the Burning Legion because the final patch was on Argus.

[Varodoc]

Guys, we all know why Varodoc demands a Void expansion and brushes other ideas under it. It's so he can have a cheeky wank to his waifu Alleria.

Waifu joke! Funny! Haha!

[Makabreska]

Waifu joke! Funny! Haha!

I mean, you make it too easy.

[Sondrelk]

Because I've been waiting like 5 years for an expansion about the Void so I'd rather just get right to it, I'm done waiting.

And you are not willing to wait for even slightly more buildup? Instead preferring the Shadowlands route where we jump straight into the deep end with villains we barely know and whose scale means we have no chance of knowing properly before the expansion ends?

Besides, we can have both Dragon AND Void, Cata did that perfectly well afterall.

[Nagawithlegs]

Do we still think this is a 2 patch expansion by the way? I think it is and that it was planned to be that way, based on how much of .1 was in launch and how much of the Shadowlands zone stories are finished.

[Black Rider]

Man, I miss oldschool datamined stuff speculation.
Isn't there anything that could give us little fire of speculation? @Marlamin @Boubouille

[Varodoc]

And you are not willing to wait for even slightly more buildup?

After BfA? Yes I could have.

After Shadowlands? Noooooope.

Besides, we can have both Dragon AND Void, Cata did that perfectly well afterall.

Yes.

I know.

That was literally the first thing I said here

[therumblings]

Do we still think this is a 2 patch expansion by the way? I think it is and that it was planned to be that way, based on how much of .1 was in launch and how much of the Shadowlands zone stories are finished.

I think it will be at this point, it will still have more content than WoD at least, but the community will see .2 final patch = WoD 2.0.

[Varodoc]

I mean, you make it too easy.

You're talking like most people don't care about Alexstrasza and Ysera simply because they are hot women in bikini armour.

Yeah, I bet they are so popular because of their dragon powers and personality. Totally.

[Nagawithlegs]

Man, I miss oldschool datamined stuff speculation.
Isn't there anything that could give us little fire of speculation? @Marlamin @Boubouille

Have there been any new human building files? I think that the many old models getting updated animations (hippogryphs, mammoths) points to Northrend at least.

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I think it will be at this point, it will still have more content than WoD at least, but the community will see .2 final patch = WoD 2.0.

I think based on how a lot of people don’t like the theme of SL (I do, oh well) that people won’t mind if the next expansion is revealed to be more generally appealing. It kind of explains the lower expansion price.