Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Raetary]

cant even tell whats male/female

It's a lizard.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think there's no chance to new classes to be added for this new race.

at most, there's like 1% chance that they will be able to wear armor in dragon form or we get additional body type/model tweaked to at least have a difference.

It's a lizard.

We have female and tauren pandas with boobs, don't try logic here.

[Zulggun]

i think colors do alot for dracthyr, some colors make them look wimpy as fuck, like the red one theyve shown, while others can look quite good, black, white, the teal variant from the blizzard preview page... would still be nice if they gave the male ones a 20% bulk though, cant even tell whats male/female

Yeah and while we're at it, give females huge boobs so we can easily spot them.

[therumblings]

I think anyone who is expecting full armor in dragonform is so out-of-touch with reality re: how Blizzard operates (and again, has always operated, since Vanilla), and so misunderstands the "dragon-person" fantasy that they're inevitably going to be massively disappointed. At very most we might get chest/shoulders. But that's it. And even that is "not getting it".

A bulky form option would be a vastly bigger deal than armor, in terms of impacting popularity.

At the very least they should give a huge amount of customization options to the preset armor they have on their dragon form, lack of transmog is just gonna suck because a lot of people wanted a Dragonkin that could wear armor, but if there is enough barber options to change it can soften the blow.

[Eurhetemec]

As a huge FFXIV shill I'll say that FFXIV is super fucking unfriendly to alts. To offset this there isn't much you need alts for as you can have all classes and all professions on one character.

Exactly. You don't need alts. And for most players, that's freeing.

WoW can't work like that, but we could reduce the re-grinding to make it closer, in practical terms.

[Teriz]

I think anyone who is expecting full armor in dragonform is so out-of-touch with reality re: how Blizzard operates (and again, has always operated, since Vanilla), and so misunderstands the "dragon-person" fantasy that they're inevitably going to be massively disappointed. At very most we might get chest/shoulders. But that's it. And even that is "not getting it".

A bulky form option would be a vastly bigger deal than armor, in terms of impacting popularity.

i think colors do alot for dracthyr, some colors make them look wimpy as fuck, like the red one theyve shown, while others can look quite good, black, white, the teal variant from the blizzard preview page... would still be nice if they gave the male ones a 20% bulk though, cant even tell whats male/female

Yep. Bulk is the real issue here. Some players (myself included) prefer being large, imposing characters. I think if you resolve that issue, you're removing 70-80% of complaints. Seeing that Reddit alteration made me like the race 100% more than I already did.

[Eurhetemec]

At the very least they should give a huge amount of customization options to the preset armor they have on their dragon form, lack of transmog is just gonna suck because a lot of people wanted a Dragonkin that could wear armor, but if there is enough barber options to change it can soften the blow.

I definitely agree with that. It might be cool if raids (etc.) gave you extra dragon-armour/jewellery customization options, either as drops or just unlocked by killing certain bosses, too, though the very second that happened, Druids would be humping Blizzard's leg frantically shrieking "ME TOO DADDY BLIZZARD ME TOO!".

[Shadochi]

i think colors do alot for dracthyr, some colors make them look wimpy as fuck, like the red one theyve shown, while others can look quite good, black, white, the teal variant from the blizzard preview page... would still be nice if they gave the male ones a 20% bulk though, cant even tell whats male/female

Honestly, the bulk option shouldn't be related to the option of gender in human/elf form. It makes more sense that way seeing how dragons don't really have such genders and can choose a different one for humanoid form

[Raetary]

I said it before, but they should either add Drakonids as another dragon race option, so we can fulfill our regular dragon fantasies.

Or keep slowly expanding the dracthyrs humanoid customization options to other race models, the class is quasi available to all.

[therumblings]

I said it before, but they should either add Drakonids as another dragon race option, so we can fulfill our regular dragon fantasies.

Or keep slowly expanding the dracthyrs humanoid customization options to other race models, the class is quasi available to all.

Or both at the same time, that would be awesome.

[Hugnomo]

Interesting talk http s://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/a-suspicious-4ch-leak-from-3-days-ago-speculation925-spoilers/1223381

I seems less and less likely, but I'm still hoping for shadowlands covenant playable races.
When can we expect to know what it is? (if we actually do get some sort of ar)

[Eurhetemec]

Yep. Bulk is the real issue here. Some players (myself included) prefer being large, imposing characters. I think if you resolve that issue, you're removing 70-80% of complaints.

I like what they're doing with faces, colour, and stuff for the dragon forms but I was surprised there was only a "gracile" form for the dragons. I was kind of hoping the dragon form would be like, a small dragon. Not a dragon-person. Failing that at least a robust rather than gracile form would be nice as an option (doesn't have to be gender-locked or anything - we're being spared dragonboobs thank god (D&D take lessons! No-one wants dragonboobs! Well some people do but don't listen to them!).

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Honestly, the bulk option shouldn't be related to the option of gender in human/elf form. It makes more sense that way seeing how dragons don't really have such genders and can choose a different one for humanoid form

Yeah massive agree. No reason to link bulk to gender. This is 2022 people, and we're talking about shapeshifting dragons.

My personal biggest concern is that human female have dopey animations. I get why they didn't go with skinny-AF belf ladies but oh god those animations. Oh well there's always the dudes.

[Shadochi]

I said it before, but they should either add Drakonids as another dragon race option, so we can fulfill our regular dragon fantasies.

Or keep slowly expanding the dracthyrs humanoid customization options to other race models, the class is quasi available to all.

I think a bigger issue is the race not being available to more classes than vice versa, at least for me.

In general more players will switch race than class

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I feel like with a year or even more from release, they have more than enough time to just paint some scales etc on other races, add few hairstyles and copy horns from BE and human female model so we can actually play and be how they said "anything we want".

[Shadochi]

I like what they're doing with faces, colour, and stuff for the dragon forms but I was surprised there was only a "gracile" form for the dragons. I was kind of hoping the dragon form would be like, a small dragon. Not a dragon-person. Failing that at least a robust rather than gracile form would be nice as an option (doesn't have to be gender-locked or anything - we're being spared dragonboobs thank god (D&D take lessons! No-one wants dragonboobs! Well some people do but don't listen to them!).

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Yeah massive agree. No reason to link bulk to gender. This is 2022 people, and we're talking about shapeshifting dragons.

Also the fact that they are reptiles where it should be harder to tell apart the gender. And in WoW itself Chromie set the precedence that the true dragon form and humanoid form aren't linked but chosen. So Dracthyr should operate in the same way.

IMO its not even that much of a 2022 thing but an actual fantasy approach

[Teriz]

I like what they're doing with faces, colour, and stuff for the dragon forms but I was surprised there was only a "gracile" form for the dragons. I was kind of hoping the dragon form would be like, a small dragon. Not a dragon-person. Failing that at least a robust rather than gracile form would be nice as an option (doesn't have to be gender-locked or anything - we're being spared dragonboobs thank god (D&D take lessons! No-one wants dragonboobs! Well some people do but don't listen to them!).

Yeah, I doubt a bulkier form is going to be gender-locked. Blizzard seems to be following dragon lore pretty closely in that dragon females and males look very similar body wise, with female dragons actually being larger than male dragons in some cases. Also some male dragons like Chromie take female mortal forms.

[Nibelheimy]

I feel like with a year or even more from release, they have more than enough time to just paint some scales etc on other races, add few hairstyles and copy horns from BE and human female model so we can actually play and be how they said "anything we want".

I'm hoping this is the case, but if this was there intent and they didn't mention it I'm very confused as to why not. If it ends up being blood elf male skeletons and human female skeletons only, i'ma actually just call lazy on this one. Imagine making a new class/race based on the dragonflights and none of your humanoid forms are able to match the race of the aspects other than 1.. People wanna play alex/ysera inspired characters, and I want to see gnomes at the bare minimum.


+ add the bulkier option in anyway, it looks better, people have wanted bulky and thinner body type for years. But that's not gunna make me play the visual mess of the evoker unfortunately.

[cocomen2]

Someone said bipedal-Spyro, and now i can't get it out of my head.

Deathwing come back,you was right!

[Teriz]

Someone said bipedal-Spyro, and now i can't get it out of my head.

Deathwing come back,you was right!

I guess calling the dragon race "Spyro" is Kung Fu Pandaren for 2022.

[Xilurm]

Ff14 most players have 1 character. You most definitely have to regrind stuff on alts. It's a non comparison imo.

I've been meaning to make an alt in FF14, since they changed up the ARR quests a bit, and especially with some of the latter duty revamps this last patch.

I've never really liked the fact that everything is account-wide in WoW. It makes sense because it's an mmo, I understand that, but when I start a new character I want it to feel like a "New Game" instead of a "New Game +" which is what it feels like right now.

Most people who start an alt don't wanna start from 0 though so everything is gonna always be account-wide. I do wish there was some toggle when making a new character though...