Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Hitei]

That's what I've been trying to convey through most of this conversation; Once players actually play this race the way they're meant to be played, no one is going to want to play as them in a different class, because it would make zero sense.

What a completely baseless assumption.

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I've been calling Murozond a lot the past few days. Gonna disagree on Yrel though.

I see one of the following happening:

- Murozond opens up a portal to an undisclosed timeline. A villain from WoW's past who we haven't encountered, a villain from far off in the future, or an alternate character of well known hero(who is a villain in their timeline) hops through and later brings their army/forces through with them.

....so Yrel?

[Revamp Man]

That's what I've been trying to convey through most of this conversation; Once players actually play this race the way they're meant to be played, no one is going to want to play as them in a different class, because it would make zero sense.

Additionally, if @Ersula is right and they're super tall, they might not get much of a bulk increase.



I wouldn't be surprised if 10.0 was in November, with expansion release in Q1.

They said that prepatch is designed for two weeks of content
SL prepatch was just long because of delays

If they launch in November it would have to be early because of the raid opening while the expansion could launch mid December and have the season beginning delayed

If they meant calendar q1 in the leak then I see January with prepatch in December for holidays

[Ersula]

Additionally, if @Ersula is right and they're super tall, they might not get much of a bulk increase.

Why does everyone say that like I'm theorizing: You can see the size comparison here. They're a good 25% larger than the larger playable races.

[Revamp Man]

Interview just confirmed that Murozond will happen in the future. My money is on him being the final boss for sure.

That's what gonna lead to Yrel coming to our time line and setting up 11.0 light vs void.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/warcraf...nos-the-326792

So the leak redshirt guy posted was real

Q1 release

[Teriz]

Why does everyone say that like I'm theorizing: You can see the size comparison here. They're a good 25% larger than the larger playable races.

Ah, good point. Damn, they're pretty huge.

Yeah, you can't make that into other classes. It would cause all sorts of issues with armor and weapons.

[Ersula]

In most cases we can datamine it slightly before that, actually.

You can datamine before the player servers go up, obviously. But you have to be able to download it first.

[Dracullus]

I think season 4 is not necessarily meant to be super long. Just enough do SOMETHING until DF release.

Still I think they wouldn't bother if expac is 2022, Sepulcher from March to November would be one of shortest last tier anyway.

[Marlamin]

You can datamine before the player servers go up, obviously. But you have to be able to download it first.

We don't need the patch to be out to Battle.net launchers to download it, every now and then it just being on (the non-encrypted) CDN ready for deployment is enough. I'm kind of hoping they fix that issue so things are a bit more fair game in the future, though, which is why I'm happily publicly talking about it.

[Santandame]

What a completely baseless assumption.

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....so Yrel?

Well, you got me. Just not Yrel. I don't really see a Light themed expansion happening yet. I keep thinking it'll be Ancient Kalimdor.

[Khaza-R]

The encrypted wowdev CDN endpoint is now on 10.0!

9.2.5.43180 → 10.0.0.43342!

IT COMETH

Time to re-fire the hype train engines already.

[ChairmanKaga]

Has there been much speculation about the two halves of the sphere Stoney Tony pushes together in the cinematic to 'relight the beacon' for the Aspects return to the isle?

[Ersula]

Shouldn't there still be multiple versions on the CDN? 9.2.5 doesn't seem done yet.... If that's all the content until 10.0 we're in trouble.

[Marlamin]

Shouldn't there still be multiple versions on the CDN? 9.2.5 doesn't seem done yet.... If that's all the content until 10.0 we're in trouble.

All the currently public WoW products share the same CDN directory, 1.14, 2.5, 9.0.1, 9.0.2, 9.2.0, 9.2.5 and I might have even forgotten a few. They all share data inbetween them and 10.0 will likely be no different whenever it comes off of the encrypted CDN. There's no infighting or anything like that going on, they can perfectly well run a 9.2.5 PTR together with a 10.0 Alpha/Beta.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I just mean it would be the best thematic overlap. Getting any class, yeah, would be slim.

... remember when people expected 4 classes plus a bunch of class skins that are equally art intensive? I hope this reveal was a permanent tempering of expectations.

Honestly, I dislike class skins for the opposite reasons—they're not enough effort to me. Aside from the art-intensity, they are otherwise very low-effort and a terrible compromise from a gameplay perspective. It's the worst of both words, I think. I am very glad we didn't get class skins.

As for Tinkers, they'd definitely fit well. Even with every expectation for both races and classes dashed (perhaps for the better in the long term) with the Funny Scalie People, it nevertheless seems that the theme is upheld that every class must be strongly and explicitly thematic, so I do think that a World Revamp is the only thing that would easily introduce them, since there's simply no other class to get from a revamp.

Admittedly, I also think a revamp would probably add two new races instead of a class—Ogres, for instance, for the Horde. I'm not sure what Alliance would get—couldn't be Ethereals unless they're going for a heavy "archaeology" or "looting" theme.

[Hitei]

Has there been much speculation about the two halves of the sphere Stoney Tony pushes together in the cinematic to 'relight the beacon' for the Aspects return to the isle?

What, like what it's made out of? Inexplicable golden power sources are pretty common in Titan technology in the game so I doubt it's made of some specific, super important substance rather than just being a toggleable power source for the island's defense system.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I did not see he cdn thing happening so soon.

[rhorle]

Why does everyone say that like I'm theorizing: You can see the size comparison here. They're a good 25% larger than the larger playable races.

Because perspective can make things seem taller then they actually are? They are likely the same height as Tauren.

[Hitei]

Because perspective can make things seem taller then they actually are? They are likely the same height as Tauren.

They're probably a bit taller with their longer necks.

[Sentynel]

I've been calling Murozond a lot the past few days. Gonna disagree on Yrel though.

I see one of the following happening:

- Murozond opens up a portal to an undisclosed timeline. A villain from WoW's past who we haven't encountered, a villain from far off in the future, or an alternate character of well known hero(who is a villain in their timeline) hops through and later brings their army/forces through with them.

- The portal goes to pre-sundering Kalimdor (a nod to the start of the reveal cinematic which starts with the sundering), one of the following characters jumps through to fuck with shit:

Azshara - seeking the true throne of power as referenced in her last appearance. This throne of power being her original empire. We get an Ancient Kalimdor/War of the Ancients expansion with Azshara using what knowledge she has from our timeline, to usurp power from both the Old Gods and Sargeras. Azshara is rightfully and finally the focus of an expansion.

Xal'atath - Goes back to get revenge on the Old Gods who devoured her as well as usurp their armies. We get Black Empire styled expansion set on Ancient Kalimdor.

Wrathion - Becomes increasing despondent during Dragonflight, fears there is no saving the Black Dragonflight. Instead heads back to the War of the Ancients to try and stop the Old Gods from corrupting Deathwing. Believes this is the only way to bring salvation to the Black Dragonflight and prevent their near extinction and descent into madness.

- The portal Murozond opens up can't be closed. Lots of different timelines start to bleed into our timeline, including enemies, allies, locations etc. We get a weird timey-wimey expansion. A combination of ''What If?'' style scenarios and events, and different timelines. We could have a combination of the Troll/Aqir war, an evil Alliance timeline, Black Empire, the Horde never being formed etc.

Either way, Murozond is 100% setting up 11.0.

I actually like this idea very much. I'd like to see a pre-sundering Kalimdor expansion.

[Teriz]

I just don't agree with the idea of a spellcaster being more strong in a certain appearance OTHER than something like the shamans turning into ascendants. Dracthyr isn't some superpowered type thing, they are a race that know a special magic.

I would buy it for a melee class needing to look a certain way, but a wizard is a wizard. Disguises are just disguises. Chromie hasn't needed to shift into her main form to do big wacky things in the past AFAIK.

Yes, they would need to turn into a dragon for the dragony combat things like fire breathing and wing buffet, but aside from that?

I think the issue is once again not having standard dragon forms, and instead having more humanoid models which remind people of demon form.

The simple reality is that this is sort of like a mix of Druid and Demon Form, with it leaning way more towards Druid than DH (the dragon forms have emotes for example). I'm pretty sure you're going to be spending 99% of your combat time in dragon form, which is what people want. I can't imagine a situation where you're constantly switching in and out of forms. That would be very taxing on the system.

Because perspective can make things seem taller then they actually are? They are likely the same height as Tauren.

That makes me very very happy.