Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Yeah? You wanna go look up Mesopotamian literacy rates, chief?

To be fair, those weren't actually that low. There were plenty of written records, and it was common enough that there was once a Mesopotamian businessman who kept a whole shack full of tablets inscribed with complaints about his shady business practices.

[Alexjimithing]

If a video game takes place in a time period where reading and writing are the exception, not the norm, and a society appears to give absolutely no shit about texts, then yes. I assume illiteracy, why would you not? If you see a race's landlocked city that has no boats, and few if any fishing poles or nets, do you assume that everyone in that race is competent at fishing?

Go ahead and quote me the lore saying the average/majority of Darkspear trolls are literate. Or any race's citizens besides maybe gnomes, pandaren, dalaran humans, goblins, blood elves and dwarves.

How do you know reading/writing are the exception in WoW’s universe?

Zabra could read Common and brought back books for others to read. There’s no reason to assume illiteracy.

[ChairmanKaga]

If you are not pleased about my comments you are free to use the ignore function

The ignore list is the only thing that makes this forum bearable.

[Ersula]

Tuskarr would be too powerful as an Allied Race!

I hate it here.

[Wangming]

If a video game takes place in a time period where reading and writing are the exception, not the norm, and a society appears to give absolutely no shit about texts, then yes. I assume illiteracy, why would you not? If you see a race's landlocked city that has no boats, and few if any fishing poles or nets, do you assume that everyone in that race is competent at fishing?

Go ahead and quote me the lore saying the average/majority of Darkspear trolls are literate. Or any race's citizens besides maybe gnomes, pandaren, dalaran humans, goblins, blood elves and dwarves.

How are these random farmers and fighters of yours finding time and teacher to learn to read and write and pick up terms like "erosion"?

Are we still trying to justify that dumb racist book? Troll civilization has a longer history on Azeroth than the fucking Titans. Only an ignorant cunt would think they have anything to learn from the Blood Elves. And you aren't one, Hitei, so please stop acting like one.

[rhorle]

Zabra could read Common and brought back books for others to read. There’s no reason to assume illiteracy.

Isn't that using the false assumption that a few literate people means all are literate? Isn't it entirely possible that a character could not learn those things even if most of his fellow did?

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Man reading over that Twitter Spaces recap makes me somehow less excited. Mostly because it was a lot of "things will work the same way they did in Shadowlands."

[wowrefugee]

Man reading over that Twitter Spaces recap makes me somehow less excited. Mostly because it was a lot of "things will work the same way they did in Shadowlands."

what specifically? The worst parts of shadowlands have all been changed or removed in DF.

[Shadochi]

Man reading over that Twitter Spaces recap makes me somehow less excited. Mostly because it was a lot of "things will work the same way they did in Shadowlands."

What specifically? To me it seems that they are going to just carry over the ok stuff from SL (ZM style outdoor zone progression, vault being an upgrade over a single chest and such)

[Valysar]

"The expansion is quite far along, Alpha is coming soon."

In May

[Sondrelk]

Man reading over that Twitter Spaces recap makes me somehow less excited. Mostly because it was a lot of "things will work the same way they did in Shadowlands."

And what exactly did Shadowlands do wrong that hasnt been singled out as a thing that is actually being changed?
Shadowlands with a better theme, no covenants, and a strong focus on making the base systems better seems like the ideal expansion to me.

[Shadochi]

And what exactly did Shadowlands do wrong that hasnt been singled out as a thing that is actually being changed?
Shadowlands with a better theme, no covenants, and a strong focus on making the base systems better seems like the ideal expansion to me.

I wouldn't even say no covenants. Keep covenants but remove the class abilities and soulbinds and covenants are a great system for outdoor progression and cosmetics

[Makabreska]

Man reading over that Twitter Spaces recap makes me somehow less excited. Mostly because it was a lot of "things will work the same way they did in Shadowlands."

Except no borrowed power (outside of tiers), evergreen talent system, bigger zones, flying from the start, alt catch up from the start, more account wide stuff (maybe even rep, according to what they said), no mission table, easy "cov" switching from the start, no big bad revealed yet and more. So ye, SL 2.0 confirmed, I guess.

[Xilurm]

"The expansion is quite far along, Alpha is coming soon."

In May

Well May is in 3 days tbh

[Aeluron Lightsong]

They do need to work on the outdoor content to make it better and replayable, thats for sure(I didn't mind borrowed powers but I concede that people didn't like them, granted they take a blind eye to tier sets).

[Ersula]

I wouldn't even say no covenants. Keep covenants but remove the class abilities and soulbinds and covenants are a great system for outdoor progression and cosmetics

That appears to be what the 5 dragonflight covenants are. Alternate progression but for reputations.

[boyzma]

From what I listened to, and I'll admit I didn't listen to the whole thing, but it cleared up a few speculations. So no, no tank spec, no "regular" flying at first, you befriend your drake and together you learn dragon riding, and sadly no Tuskkar. Besides the guy saying awesome way too many times, thought it was a good interview.

[Shadochi]

That appears to be what the 5 dragonflight covenants are. Alternate progression but for reputations.

Dont think we are getting anything related to flights, but to 4 major factions of the Isles (probably Dragons, Centaurs, Tuskarr and whatever is left as ally in one of the zones)

[Cheezits]

Dont think we are getting anything related to flights, but to 4 major factions of the Isles (probably Dragons, Centaurs, Tuskarr and whatever is left as ally in one of the zones)

4th one is the Alliance/Horde Expedition IIRC

[Hitei]

How do you know reading/writing are the excepting in WoW’s universe?

Zabra could read Common and brought back books for others to read. There’s no reason to assume illiteracy.

If your marker for literacy is that one guy, whose entire big shtick is doing something atypical and bringing back previously not utilized knowledge, knows how to read for a reason not elaborated upon at all, you have a problem. Also very curious what your source is for Zabra bringing back books "for others to read". What he brought back was the knowledge he had learned from his own reading.

Are we still trying to justify that dumb racist book? Troll civilization has a longer history on Azeroth than the fucking Titans. Only an ignorant cunt would think they have anything to learn from the Blood Elves. And you aren't one, Hitei, so please stop acting like one.

H-haha, yeah, it's not like there's ever been a society spanning thousands of years that still had literacy problems, right? Just existing for a long time means that everyone knows how to read. I mean, it's not like humans on Earth have only been mostly literate for a few decades out of our 10,000+ years of civilization. And how could a younger society possibly ever have any technological or knowledge advantage over another society that's been around longer, that's never ever happened in the entire history of the world.

People should just respect their elders!