Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Duckpower]

Looks like any hope of datamining tonight died with that build, next week will be a fun week for sure.

Why would that build defeat any hope for mining?
Not ment as a jab

[Catastrophy349]

Yeah buddy!!

[therumblings]

Why would that build defeat any hope for mining?
Not ment as a jab

Well, I don't think they would push multiple builds in a single day, I assumed if they were pushing one that was unencrypted it would have been that one.

[Grimmy17]

Well, I don't think they would push multiple builds in a single day, I assumed if they were pushing one that was unencrypted it would have been that one.

Yeah I agree. It's a shame I was hoping for some weekend perusal of icons, transmog and the such. But alas next week shall be fun!

[Catastrophy349]

I’m so thankful that I’m on summer vacation during all of this. Going to hop on to Towelliee’s stream next week, every day, and just enjoy the ride.

[Teriz]

I'm a healing officer currently, so hoping for some powerful raid CDs (like giving evoker a rally-type ability ala the health increase from all dragon battle pets)! Just can't wait to get my hands on them!

These are two real possibilities;

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=296008...d-dragonflight
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=102364...e-dragonflight

[rhorle]

there was a mantid in the evoker showcase video

It was a praying mantis. Whether or not it is related to the Mantid from Pandaria remains to be seen.

[Grimmy17]

These are two real possibilities;

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=296008...d-dragonflight
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=102364...e-dragonflight

Another PI effect would make me sad to have (current priest main) - but the bronze seems cool

I was thinking more like this https://www.wowhead.com/pet-ability=...cient-blessing

From the proto drake battle pets!

[Teriz]

Another PI effect would make me sad to have (current priest main) - but the bronze seems cool

I was thinking more like this https://www.wowhead.com/pet-ability=...cient-blessing

From the proto drake battle pets!

Well there are the HotS variants, which also have a chance of being implemented;

https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/wiki...-of-the-bronze

https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/wiki...ing-of-the-red

I would imagine the Alexstraza ability would be made green for the Preservation spec, or be a class-wide CD with an enhancement talent in the healing tree.

[klaps_05]

So now they are moving mandatory talents into the actual spec trees? Antropic poison and the CDR outlaw talent. They are trying to make the class tree have 3 avenues per spec, but you are forced a lot of the random spells and points which were baseline just to take the respective talents.

[Grimmy17]

Well there are the HotS variants, which also have a chance of being implemented;

https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/wiki...-of-the-bronze

https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/wiki...ing-of-the-red

I would imagine the Alexstraza ability would be made green for the Preservation spec, or be a class-wide CD with an enhancement talent in the healing tree.

Ah yeah these are way better, the cromie one reads similar to current Fae Guardians but the Alex one is perfect for a healing CD (to compete with disc/paladin)!

Also I'm looking forward to seeing how they implement the black dragonflight into the trees (probably defensives) since they said it was so important to incorporate all 5 flights.

[zeir]

These new talent trees are so insane, people talking about cookie cutter builds have no idea what they are talking about.

[Sondrelk]

These new talent trees are so insane, people talking about cookie cutter builds have no idea what they are talking about.

It's difficult to ascertain how the talent trees will work in practice is the thing. They look one way now but without actual numbers, and more importantly potential changes to the actual classes they are just proof of concept at this point.

[Nightshade711]

I was slightly disappointed that rogue didn’t get serrated bone spike (from what I saw)
One of my favorite of the rogue covenant abilities.

[Nymrohd]

These new talent trees are so insane, people talking about cookie cutter builds have no idea what they are talking about.

See here is the thing. Sure there are a lot of permutations. But while they will allow for many possible builts, the important part will be synergy. There will be a cookie cutter. Heck if anything, the availability of so many interactions can escalate synergies to the point that only a few builts really output well.

[zeir]

There are trees and there are trees, like the survival pvp build (really fun spec) seems very straighforward but the rogues one have so many good options everywhere independently of tuning.

[Gurahk]

See here is the thing. Sure there are a lot of permutations. But while they will allow for many possible builts, the important part will be synergy. There will be a cookie cutter. Heck if anything, the availability of so many interactions can escalate synergies to the point that only a few builts really output well.

That may be true, but the addition of profiles makes swapping talents extremely easy, as you can for example have 5 different builds, each for their own activity

[rhorle]

These new talent trees are so insane, people talking about cookie cutter builds have no idea what they are talking about.

Blizzard has already said that there can be "bad" choices and that not every possible talent combination will be good. So there will be cookie cutter builds. Once the data is released they will be put into simulations and ranked. Top builds will become the "cookie cutter" ones and the rest won't.

[Xilurm]

I honestly couldn't care less about "cookie cutter" builds. People that care so much, and see this change as something bad and say they prefer the current talent system, why do you even care? Just go look up a guide and get your cookie cutter build and thats it. It's like if it wouldn't exist in the first place.

I think this is one of the best changes they're doing for DF because talent trees like these make the game feel more like an rpg.

[rhorle]

I think this is one of the best changes they're doing for DF because talent trees like these make the game feel more like an rpg.

It is the illusion of choice though. Just like the original ones. Bad options or non-viable paths is something people may do in pen and paper but it shouldn't be a thing in a mass-market video game.