Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nymrohd]

That's quite fair. I do find "reclaiming lost territories" to be a red flag in general, though—there was a certain funny fellow in Europe who had the same idea, and he overstepped his boundaries a little bit down the line. Add to that how Stromgarde was his example of territories that were already reclaimed, not territories that could be reclaimed.

I do think he's not going to follow entirely down the path of that aforementioned funny fellow, however. Conversely, I do think that his attempts to reclaim territory will be met with some apprehension—especially if, say, Lordaeron enters the picture.

The thing is, no one has really ever claimed Stromgarde. The Forsaken tried but never had control. The area has always been a mess. And it's not like it is a territory that has been in the hands of others for a generation. We had wars in Europe that lasted longer than that.

[unfunnymeme]

The thing is, no one has really ever claimed Stromgarde. The Forsaken tried but never had control. The area has always been a mess. And it's not like it is a territory that has been in the hands of others for a generation. We had wars in Europe that lasted longer than that.

The Forsaken had control of it, but the prince(who was a traitor in life, too) went rogue and took a bunch of Forsaken with him. Deathlord killed him in Legion though, and they made it seem like the Alliance only cleaned up what the Deathlord left behind.
Land rights, like control of all of northern Lordaeron, are an issue for debate. I highly doubt anyone would have written property rights laws with the state of undeath in mind, so I personally do think it's the humans' right to retake their own land. Especially with the negative predilections of the undead(living in filth, sadism, general foul behavior).

[Nymrohd]

The Forsaken had control of it, but the prince(who was a traitor in life, too) went rogue and took a bunch of Forsaken with him. Deathlord killed him in Legion though, and they made it seem like the Alliance only cleaned up what the Deathlord left behind.
Land rights, like control of all of northern Lordaeron, are an issue for debate. I highly doubt anyone would have written property rights laws with the state of undeath in mind, so I personally do think it's the humans' right to retake their own land. Especially with the negative predilections of the undead(living in filth, sadism, general foul behavior).

Did he even consolidate control? I think at all times parts of the city were not in control, to say nothing of the rest of the area

[unfunnymeme]

Did he even consolidate control? I think at all times parts of the city were not in control, to say nothing of the rest of the area

I'm pretty sure I remember ALL the Forsaken in the ruins turning hostile when he turns on you.

[Revamp Man]

if there is going to be undead story any time soon im going to guess it will include an attempted assassination of Calia

[Nymrohd]

if there is going to be undead story any time soon im going to guess it will include an attempted assassination of Calia

Really? By whom, the Scarlets?

[Revamp Man]

after all the infinite stuff happening i finally broke down and started the waist of time so i can have a bronze time keeping dracthyr

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Really? By whom, the Scarlets?

possibly but there were also those undead on the council that when you grab the blight sample sound almost disappointed she survived

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her offering gilneas back to the alliance probably makes them go "no those are our lands as well how dare you favor the living" the scarlet then use this as a way to raise suspicions with the living and make them doubt Genn or stage an attack to make it seem like the forsaken planned a betrayal. This inevitably leads to distrust and friction between the two factions which the scarlet can use

[Nymrohd]

after all the infinite stuff happening i finally broke down and started the waist of time so i can have a bronze time keeping dracthyr

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possibly but there were also those undead on the council that when you grab the blight sample sound almost disappointed she survived

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her offering gilneas back to the alliance probably makes them go "no those are our lands as well how dare you favor the living" the scarlet then use this as a way to raise suspicions with the living and make them doubt Genn or stage an attack to make it seem like the forsaken planned a betrayal. This inevitably leads to distrust and friction between the two factions which the scarlet can use

Nah that's not the feeling I got from them. They seemed more like "well if she ends up useful, we can keep her" and she ended up useful. As long as Calia doesn't try to stop the apothecaries from their research, they won't oppose her (of course the only reasonable thing would be for her to eventually try to stop them since you know, they are insane monsters). I can see the Scarlets going for her if they have Calia's daughter (I do not think it's Taelia).

[Revamp Man]

Nah that's not the feeling I got from them. They seemed more like "well if she ends up useful, we can keep her" and she ended up useful. As long as Calia doesn't try to stop the apothecaries from their research, they won't oppose her (of course the only reasonable thing would be for her to eventually try to stop them since you know, they are insane monsters). I can see the Scarlets going for her if they have Calia's daughter (I do not think it's Taelia).

they claim to have a male heir so its automatically a fake but they would definitely kill her for trying to get the alliance to work with the undead

[Nymrohd]

they claim to have a male heir so its automatically a fake but they would definitely kill her for trying to get the alliance to work with the undead

Ah a male heir? Missed that detail.

[Revamp Man]

Ah a male heir? Missed that detail.

yeah its the big thing that made people figure it was all a lie
the black dragon part comes from the fact that black dragons like messing with the affairs of mortals
now the debate is whether the dragon is the heir or the leader of the scarlets

[huth]

yeah its the big thing that made people figure it was all a lie
the black dragon part comes from the fact that black dragons like messing with the affairs of mortals
now the debate is whether the dragon is the heir or the leader of the scarlets

Given their history, i'd expect the Dragon to be a Dreadlord.

[Aucald]

The thing is, no one has really ever claimed Stromgarde. The Forsaken tried but never had control. The area has always been a mess. And it's not like it is a territory that has been in the hands of others for a generation. We had wars in Europe that lasted longer than that.

Stromgarde was nearly completely restored and occupied by the Alliance in the Arathi Highlands Warfront. Going from:



To:

[Shrouded]

And the Alliance won the warfront, so presumably they control Stromgarde and its surrounding lands still.

[Nymrohd]

And the Alliance won the warfront, so presumably they control Stromgarde and its surrounding lands still.

Pretty much but since Turalyon still talks about reclaiming the area, I assume the surrounding lands are not under their full control.

[Aucald]

Pretty much but since Turalyon still talks about reclaiming the area, I assume the surrounding lands are not under their full control.

It's still contested, yes. But as Ar'gorok was completely destroyed at the Warfront's end, the only Horde presence in the area is a minor fortification at Hammerfall, which would likely prove only a little struggle for the heavily fortified and reinforced Stromgarde to take if they so chose.

[Kiivar86]

Just to make sure, are we sure Turalyon's line is new and not just an old thing they haven't replaced yet?

[Xilurm]

Stromgarde was nearly completely restored and occupied by the Alliance in the Arathi Highlands Warfront. Going from:



To:

These are so tiny.

[Raetary]

Given their history, i'd expect the Dragon to be a Dreadlord.

A Nathrezim pretending to be a dragon, pretending to be a human.

Peak Infiltration skills.

[Revamp Man]

Given their history, i'd expect the Dragon to be a Dreadlord.

Nah it'll be a dragon because it plays well with the current black dragon politics with wrathion and sabellian